Pakistan army head warns of change in Kashmir status

[El Sidd]

We should conduct it in the entire British India and all citizens should have a say in this.

I see and why not Africa and Middle East while you are at it?

 

[MayaBazar]

I see and why not Africa and Middle East while you are at it?

They were not part of British India.

 

[El Sidd]

They were not part of British India.

British left.
They are not keen on colonial wapsi as well

 

[MayaBazar]

British India doesn't exist anymore so that opportunity is long gone, so why are you bringing it up?

The Muslim League and Congress leadership agreed upon a plan of action (with reservations) and that plan was followed through.

J&K remains disputed territory and India and Pakistan committed to UNSC Resolutions to resolve the dispute via plebiscite, a commitment Indian reneged upon under one pretext or another.

J&K accession to India was accepted by Lord Mountbatten, the British Governor General of India.

Why should we revisit when we already have a legal claim?

https://thewire.in/history/public-first-time-jammu-kashmirs-instrument-accession-india

It's called "Right of Self determination"

"Might is right" is what your are doing in Kashmir. Never thought that India will require a random wiki page to justify its illegal actions.

Killing people in riots to blackmail and force leaders to accept partition is not called "Right to Self determination". It is called "Might is Right".

 

[adelphi]

J&K accession to India was accepted by Lord Mountbatten, the British Governor General of India.

You are so full of typical Indian deceit. He did that as a Governor General of India not Viceroy of British India. This shows that even after independence Indians didn't had a person worthy enough to be appointed as their Governor General. I wonder why you even bothered getting independence.

 

[MayaBazar]

British left.
They are not keen on colonial wapsi as well

Only Pakistanis want to revisit history. For Indians History is closed the day J&K had acceded to India.

 

[El Sidd]

Only Pakistanis want to revisit history. For Indians History is closed the day J&K had acceded to India.

abey koi sharam hai?

you were advocating for collective guilt of Muslims for their ancestors in some other thread as well.

what next? Pakistanis killed Jesus? even then India claims to have him buried in IoK

 

[MayaBazar]

You are so full of typical Indian deceit. He did that as a Governor General of India not Viceroy of British India. This shows that even after independence Indians didn't had a person worthy enough to be appointed as their Governor General. I wonder why you even bothered getting independence.

Both India nor Pakistan were still dominions of British then and not independent republics. All accession documents were signed by the British ONLY.

 

[adelphi]

Killing people in riots to blackmail and force leaders to accept partition is not called "Right to Self determination". It is called "Might is Right".

Did it ever occur you that killing muslims in riots or denying their rights could have pushed them for the "Right to Self determination" Isn't it why Kashmir's are demanding it, because of killings by Indian forces.

 

[MayaBazar]

Did it ever occur you that killing muslims in riots or denying their rights could have pushed them for the "Right to Self determination" Isn't it why Kashmir's are demanding it, because of killings by Indian forces.

Direct Action Day was started by Muslims of British India who wanted to partition British India along religious lines. It was an act of blackmail to force leaders of Congress to agree to partition India.

 

[adelphi]

Both India nor Pakistan were still dominions of British then and not independent republics. All accession documents were signed by the British ONLY.

Read the date - it's OCT 26 1947

 

[MayaBazar]

Read the date - it's OCT 26 1947

And?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Why should we revisit when we already have a legal claim?

It's already been revisited given India taking the issue to the UNSC and committing to the UNSC Resolutions declaring the territory disputed and calling for a plebiscite to resolve the dispute. To restate - we have multiple, official Indian government commitments to the UNSC Resolutions that declare the territory disputed and accept the principle of plebiscite as a means of dispute resolution. Hindutva revisionism and violations of commitments cannot change that internationally recognized disputed status.

India also threw the instrument of accession into the garbage because of it's own officially documented refusal to accept the accession of Junagadh to Pakistan, and its subsequent actions to forcibly take over the territory.

Furthermore, given the uprising that was already underway against the Maharajah by the locals in J&K (prior to the Tribesmen joining the conflict) it is arguable whether the Maharajah even had the standing to accede to India.

There’s also the matter of historical facts with reference to Azad Jammu and Kashmir and the territories of Gilgit Baltistan, which contradict India’s claim to these areas.

Three important events occurred before the so-called instrument of accession signed by Hari Singh on Oct 26, 1947: (a) the Jammu massacre, (b) the Poonch uprising and, (c) the liberation of large areas from the Dogra rule and the formation of the AJK government. As Christopher Snedden notes, “The people of Jammu and Kashmir therefore began the Kashmir dispute and not outsiders, as India claims, a claim in which Pakistan has surprisingly acquiesced.”

The trouble in Poonch began as early as February 1947 when Muslims in Poonch jagir staged a ‘no tax’ campaign. The Dogra ruler sought to quell it, as usual repressively. Those actions fanned the flames and the campaign developed, Snedden notes, into a fully-fledged anti-Maharaja uprising. Snedden estimates that about 50,000 Muslim Poonchi men were trained soldiers who had returned after having fought World War II as part of British Indian Army. As the uprising evolved, Poonchis were joined by Mirpuris and other pro-Pakistan Muslims in what is today’s AJK. By the time the tribal lashkars got into play in October, the current area comprising AJK had already been liberated. The AJK government was formed on October 24, 1947, two days before the fraudulent accession of Kashmir by Hari Singh to India.

In September-October 1947, communal riots broke out in Jammu, especially in the Hindu-majority area. The Dogra army, RSS cadres and Sikh jathas, especially from Patiala, participated in killing Muslims. This was the time when Indian Punjab was already witnessing killings on both sides. One report suggested that over 200,000 Muslims were killed. These numbers don’t reflect other crimes such as grievous injures, rape, looting and arson. About 400,000 Muslims fled to the liberated areas of AJK or crossed over to Sialkot and Gujranwala. These actions caused a reaction in Mirpur and surrounding areas, as also in parts of Poonch, and consequently large numbers of non-Muslims lost their lives. This is a chapter of which no genuine Kashmiri can be proud.

According to Snedden, these three developments were (and remain) highly significant because they clearly indicated that Hari Singh had lost effective control of areas of his state and did not have the authority to make any decision about the future of the state and the peoples living in it.
https://www.thefridaytimes.com/indias-irredentism-on-kashmir/​

Only Pakistanis want to revisit history. For Indians History is closed the day J&K had acceded to India.

No.

Indians want to occupy, oppress and subjugate millions of people in internationally recognized disputed territory occupied by India through force, where Indian military and security forces have raped, massacred, tortured and maimed the locals to force them to accept India.

 

[adelphi]

Direct Action Day was started by Muslims of British India who wanted to partition British India along religious lines. It was an act of blackmail to force leaders of Congress to agree to partition India.

So why it's not a right what Muslims wanted?
Gandhi also started a leave India movement along with others, should I call it a blackmail as well?

 

[MayaBazar]

So why it's not a right what Muslims wanted?
Gandhi also started a leave India movement along with others, should I call it a blackmail as well?

Yes. Gandhi black mailed British through Quit India Movement to give complete freedom to the people of British India which includes current day Pakistanis.