PAF intends to upgrade all JF-17 with AESA radar including older blocks.

[Basel]

The Swedes are notorious for bribes; so lets see. The Giraffe radar we purchased was purely on kickbacks.

Kickbacks are common in defence industry. The question is what other radar was on offer along with Giraffe and was it better then it?

 

[Khafee]

They might consider it to lower their war costs in Yemen and reduce airframe usage and maintenance costs on their F-15s (and Typhoons if those are being used for strike). The F-16V is quite plausible, but the Gripen may not be possible as Sweden apparently doesn't want to sell offensive gear to Sadui Arabia.

Gripen does not make any sense in the GCC context. It's US components, make it embargo prone, it's loiter time is an issue, the cost per hour is within 10% ~ 15% of an F-16. So why bother with it?

Plus the engine is under powered., for the price one has to pay. Each of it's foreign sale, has had some sort of ambiguity.

Lastly, Big ticket items do BUY you political clout in the real world. Sweden's clout = IKEA ?

 

[IceCold]

However, the AESA is not going to hit the Block-I.

Is this because Block 1 were mostly for Ground attack roles or any other reason besides financial?

 

[Khafee]

The Swedes are notorious for bribes; so lets see. The Giraffe radar we purchased was purely on kickbacks.

Could someone tell me what versions of Giraffe does Pakistan operate?

 

[YeBeWarned]

Could someone tell me what versions of Giraffe does Pakistan operate?

Its concept of employment was tested and validated in Exercise Zarb-e-Momin. Army Air Defence as an operational and economical necessity had to be organized on a centralized command basis. This concept was approved for implementation in February 1991.

This period spreading over a decade could be regarded as "Consolidation Phase" of Army Air Defence. The newly inducted equipment, weapons and technologies, in the shape of LAADS (Low Altitude Air Defence System) radars, RBS- 70 Missiles, Giraffe Radars, 35 mm Oerlikon Gun system along with Sky Guard Radars were absorbed; both at technical and tactical levels. This phase also saw increase in Air Defence formations and units. The employment concept and tactical doctrine were put to test and adopted subsequently.

Army Air Defence was born on 23 March 1989, when it was separated from Artillerynd recognized as the youngest Arm of Pakistan Army, given the name 'Army Air Defence'. This was officially proclaimed on 10 October 1989. Army Air Defence successfully faced the challenge by reorganizing in harmony with its Concept of Integrated Air Defence.

https://www.pakistanarmy.gov.pk/AWPReview/TextContent.aspx?pId=22

They did not specifically say which version ..

 

[volatile]

Currently Saudi`s are isolated and felt cheated and deprived from US and EU .Reasons are
1. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bill-passed-by-us-congress-allowing-911-victims-families-to-sue-saudi-arabia-could-be-defeated-by-a7234716.html
2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/25/eu-parliament-votes-for-embargo-on-arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia
3. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/06/saudi-arabia-makes-plea-for-britain-not-to-ban-arms-sales

F15 and Typhoons are waste of resources/ and tools for dictating terms .JF17 offers punch for money / technology at par with many platforms plus Trust factor from Pakistan which incase of any sale to KSA will ensure all availability weather with RD93 or WS series it will not make any difference as sole guarantor will be Pakistan ,Ans also if KSA buys ,Kuwait ,Bahrain and Qatar (likely) follows

 

[The SC]

There is no Blk 70. Besides Blk 70 & V are two different configurations.

Lastly as per my info, Lockheed is still open to new sales, and is offering three versions of the F16:
a) Blk 50/52+
b) V
c) Blk 62

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/f16/versions.html

As to the made in KSA or elsewhere, due to the "Make in India" issue, here is a bit of clarification, straight from the horse's mouth: "Make in India" basically means Assembled in India via kits. Production would be limited to non-critical parts.

Sales to any other country would follow the same route, unless they want a lower price, than the cheapest option would be to build it in the US.

Block 62 a.k.a 70
Blk 70 or V
The rest.. your answer A @ post # 47

 

[Khafee]

Block 62 a.k.a 70

No Blk 62 is NOT known as Blk70. Neither does Lockheed, neither does any F16 current user, or prospective user. But you could call it the Blk90, doesn't matter.

It is a figment of imagination of the Indian media, nothing more.

Btw the F16 demonstrator, used for the F16IN, was a UAEAF Blk60.

Block 62 a.k.a 70
Blk 70 or V
The rest.. your answer A @ post # 47

"V" is basically a Blk 50/52 with an AESA radar. It falls between the Blk50/52 & the Blk60

Currently Saudi`s are isolated and felt cheated and deprived from US and EU .Reasons are
1. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bill-passed-by-us-congress-allowing-911-victims-families-to-sue-saudi-arabia-could-be-defeated-by-a7234716.html
2. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/25/eu-parliament-votes-for-embargo-on-arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia
3. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/06/saudi-arabia-makes-plea-for-britain-not-to-ban-arms-sales

F15 and Typhoons are waste of resources/ and tools for dictating terms .JF17 offers punch for money / technology at par with many platforms plus Trust factor from Pakistan which incase of any sale to KSA will ensure all availability weather with RD93 or WS series it will not make any difference as sole guarantor will be Pakistan ,Ans also if KSA buys ,Kuwait ,Bahrain and Qatar (likely) follows

KSA's purchase, with the exception of Bahrain, will not influence anyone else's purchase in the GCC.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Could someone tell me what versions of Giraffe does Pakistan operate?

@HRK Is the right person to answer this.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Lovely piece of machinery

Certainly the people who envisoined the design of JF17 Thunder need to be congradulation
which allows for reliable integration of future generation tech in our Thunder program

 

[HRK]

@HRK Is the right person to answer this.

Could someone tell me what versions of Giraffe does Pakistan operate?

No I am not the 'right person' at least in this domain, but what I know (based on my memory) it was earlier version of short range Giraffe 40 radar but latter upgraded for 60+ Km range ....

I think @Oscar or @Sarge can definitely help you in this regards .....

 

[volatile]

KSA's purchase, with the exception of Bahrain, will not influence anyone else's purchase in the GCC.

Kuwait and KSA are one thing as current house of Saud has descended from Kuwait ,Kuwait ,Bahrain and KSA will follow each other in defence purchases

https://www.eurofighter.com/news-an...t-for-the-delivery-of-28-eurofighter-typhoons

 

[Sully3]

Gripen does not make any sense in the GCC context. It's US components, make it embargo prone, it's loiter time is an issue, the cost per hour is within 10% ~ 15% of an F-16. So why bother with it?

Plus the engine is under powered., for the price one has to pay. Each of it's foreign sale, has had some sort of ambiguity.

Lastly, Big ticket items do BUY you political clout in the real world. Sweden's clout = IKEA ?

i agree the gripen has been proven to be dud sales wise outside Europe. Its good for those small European countries that don't have any wars anyway, countries like Hungary and Chech republic use it to patrol their borders seeing any illegal immigrants are coming it.

Its a embargo pro plane, that is cost wise very high yet offers noting much. You have to be a special kind of stupid to buy a Gripen over f16 especially as both planes might have an embargo on them during times of war.

the only worth while European jet to buy at the moment is Rafael. and that too is too expensive for 4.5 generation fighter.

 

[Khafee]

Kuwait and KSA are one thing as current house of Saud has descended from Kuwait ,Kuwait ,Bahrain and KSA will follow each other in defence purchases

https://www.eurofighter.com/news-an...t-for-the-delivery-of-28-eurofighter-typhoons

So when is KSA and Bahrain buying F-18's?

 

[YeBeWarned]

So when is KSA and Bahrain buying F-18's?

Why would KSA would even consider F-18's ? they got F-15's and Typhoon .. another high cost Jet I don't think our Habibi's gone crazy
Personally a JFT with AESA make more sense as its Operational Cost is very low compared to F-15's and Typhoons ..and it will blend right in as PAF will love to assist KSA in every Possible way with JF's .. and if the Yemen war take more years to wined up this will dry up the KSA and other GCC economies .