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I AGREE THAT PAK FA will not see service in india before 2020 I DO THINK J20 WILL COME SOONER TO CHINA. IE Around 2016
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I would be incredible surprised and very impressed if the PAF could buy and maintain a FIFTH generation platform.
FROM wat i hear the unit cost of F35 wil be $135m each
PAK FGFA around $100m each.
THE CHINEASE J20 will cost at least $70-80m each based on fc20 costing around $35m each.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE COMPLETELY FORGOTTON THAT BOTH CHINA & INDIA enjoy massive budgets TODAY and in the future too. THEY CAN AFFORD MULTI BILLION $$$$ air assets today and in the future.
PAF budgets are a tiny fraction
soft loans will take you so far
EVEN THE RICH EUROPEANS are turning their noses up to F35 PRICE ISSUES some of them will upgrade existing fighters and others will turn to cheaper options like gripen ng...
Current defense budgets
CHINA is around $90 billion officially INDIA around $35 billion and PAKISTAN around $8 billion. THE speed at which both china & india are growing their GDPs this gap will grow even bigger relative to pakistan.
FIFTH gen fighters are very expensive and at least 10 years away for china (j20)& india/russia(pak fa) and probably 15-20 years for export countries like Pakistan
JXX is not for Export it is exclusively for PLAAF china will not sell their top secret stuff to any nation with close links with USA
Plus, its not compulsory, that the economic situation of Pakistan will remain the same forever, we had a very good time for more then 5 years before 2008, and we can do that again. So, when and if economic situation gets improved, we will be back to the normal.
Indian Airforce has always found comfort in numbers, I wonder. Anyways, Its already 2011.5 so even a deal closes by 2013 it will probably take procurement beyond 1215. MKI, well it was sort of humiliated by RAF air chief by calling Typhoon generation next as compared to MKI, I am though not downplaying its capabilities, a worthy opponent but its been 9 years almost since IAF is inducting this and still they stand at 142, if the progress continues better luck in next decade with the induction target75+ F-16s and 36 FC-20s ( in 2015 ) are not enough...............EVEN for 150+ SU-30 MKIs.
IAF will be having 250+ SU-30 MKIs in 2015.
How can 75 F-16s and 36 FC-20s be enough for 250 ( 280 to be exact ) Su-30 MKIs and 126 MRCAs ? for 20 years. ? Almost 400 4th or 4.5th gen aircraft ?
ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.
Indians tend to forget this quite very often and needs to be reminded that just because Pakistan economy is going through bad times, does not mean, it will remain in that state forever while Indian economy continues to grow.
Raptor read the thread again.
The point is cyrstal clear let me highlight the point
Should could PAF go striaght to JXX project and miss the FC20 induction completley as the FC20 is 5 years away and has the same role as the Thunder. ie single engined Multi role fighter
Esp in light of india,s massive comitment now formalised with Russia today for PAK FA project.
I think it is only a matter of time before cheaper, more rugged Fifth generation fighter aircraft are developed.
Not to mention the recent downturn in Indian Economy.......but then there were some delusional Indians.....
Indian Airforce has always found comfort in numbers, I wonder. Anyways, Its already 2011.5 so even a deal closes by 2013 it will probably take procurement beyond 1215. MKI, well it was sort of humiliated by RAF air chief by calling Typhoon generation next as compared to MKI, I am though not downplaying its capabilities, a worthy opponent but its been 9 years almost since IAF is inducting this and still they stand at 142, if the progress continues better luck in next decade with the induction target
Not to mention the recent downturn in Indian Economy.......but then there were some delusional Indians.....
I AGREE THAT PAK FA will not see service in india before 2020 I DO THINK J20 WILL COME SOONER TO CHINA. IE Around 2016