PAA Attack Helicopter Procurements

[A1Kaid]

AH-64A/D Apache Attack Helicopter, USA




Key Data:

Crew: 2 - pilot and copilot / gunner
Dimensions: Main Rotor Blade Diameter 14,630cm
Height 3,590cm
Empty Weight 5,352kg
Performance: Maximum Cruising Speed 260km/h
Maximum Rate of Climb 942m/min
Maximum Vertical Rate of Climb 474m/min
Range 400km on internal fuel 1,900km on internal and external fuel
Endurance 3hrs 9min on internal fuel
g Limit Values +3.5g to -0.5g

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Eurocopter/Tiger Attack Helicopter, Germany & France

Dimensions:

Length 14m
Height 3.81m
Wingspan 13m
Design Mission Weight 5,400kg
Alternate Gross Weight 6,000kg

Weapons:

Trigat Missile Range 500m to 5km
Maximum Air-to-Air Missile Range Over 5km autonomously
Target Identification and Engagement 5km

Performance:

Hover Out of Ground Effect
Multi-role version - 3,200m
Combat support version - 3,500m
Vertical Rate of Climb
Multi-role version - 5.2m/sec
Combat support version - 6.4m/sec
Maximum Rate of Climb
Multi-role version - 10.7m/sec
Combat support version - 11.5m/sec
Flight Speed, Armed
Multi-role version - 145kt
Combat support version - 155kt
Cruise Speed
124kt
Design Limit Speed
Multi-role version - 161kt
Combat support system - 174kt
Maximum Range, Internal Fuel
800km
Mission Endurance
2 hours 50 minutes
Maximum Endurance, Internal Fuel
3 hours 25 minutes
Agility
40º angle of yaw after first second

Fuel Capacity:

Maximum Internal Fuel 1,020kg
Maximum Internal and External Fuel 1,575kg

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ATAK T-129, Turkey

Specifics

Crew: 2 pilots
Length: 14.6 m (47 ft 11 in)
Rotor diameter: 11.90 m (39 ft 0 in)
Height: 3.4 m (11 ft 2 in)
Disc area: 444.9 m² (4,789 ft²)
Max takeoff weight: 5,000 kg (11,023 lb) Powerplant: 2× LHTEC CTS800-4A turboshaft, 1,014 kW (1,361 shp) each Propellers: five blade rotor

Performance

Cruise speed: 269 km/h (145 knots, 167 mph)
Range: 561 km (303 nm, 341 mi)
Ferry range: 1,000 km (540 nm, 620 mi)

Armament

Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) three-barrel gatling-type cannon (500 rounds)
Rockets: 4 pods with
38× 81 mm (3.19 in) unguided rockets or
76× 70 mm (2.75 in) unguided rockets or
12.7 mm machine gun-pod
Missiles: 8× AGM-114 Hellfire, BGM-71 TOW, Hydra 70, Spike-ER anti-tank missiles and Sura D/Snora.
4-8× AIM-92 Stinger or Mistral or AIM-9 Sidewinder anti-aircraft missiles




AH-1 Super Cobra, US





Dimensions:
Length 13.9m
Height 4.02m
Rotor Diameter 14.63m

Weights:
Empty Weight 12,200lb (10,920lb)
Maximum Gross Weight 16,800lb (14,750lb)
Internal Fuel 2,755lb (2,086lb)
Maximum Ordnance 3,914lb (1,661lb)
Hovering Out of Ground Effect (HOGE) Gross Weight 16,600lb (10,300lb)

Engines:
Powerplant 2 x General Electric T700-401 rated at 1,625shp

Performance:
Maximum Airspeed 210kt (170kt)
Cruise Speed at Altitude 3,000ft and 91.5°F 210kt (170kt)
Cruise Speed at Altitude 4,000ft and 95°F 137kt (131kt)
Maximum Range With 20 Minutes Reserve Fuel 350nm
Endurance With 20 Minutes Reserve Fuel 3hr 30min (2h 48min)
Maximum G-load +3.2g (+2.5g)
Minimum G-load -0.5g (+0.5g)
Vertical Rate of Climb at Altitude 3,000ft 1,740ft/min (645ft/min)
Vertical Rate of Climb at Altitude 4,000ft 1,386ft/min (315ft/min)

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AH-2 Rooivalk, South Africa

Key Data:
Crew Pilot, weapon systems officer
Missions Anti-armour, ground suppression, anti-helicopter, ferry, reconnaissance and counter-insurgency

Dimensions:
Main Rotor to Tail Rotor 18,732mm
Main Rotor Diameter 15,580mm
Overall Height 5,187mm
Weights: Maximum Take-Off Weight 8,750kg
Minimum Operating Weight 5,730kg
Maximum Internal Fuel 1,469kg

Engines:

Powerplant 2 x Makila 1K2
Twin-Engine Take-Off Rating 2,243kW
Single-Engine, Super Continence 1,660kW
Performance: Fast Cruise Speed 150kt
Maximum Sideways Speed 50kt
Maximum Rate of Climb, Twin-Engine Operation 2,620ft/min
Maximum Rate of Climb, Single-Engine Operation 1,280ft/min
Maximum Range, Internal Fuel 700km
Maximum Range, External Fuel 1,280ft/min
Maximum Hover Ceiling (OGE) Out-of-Ground Effect 17,900ft
Maximum Hover Ceiling (IGE) In-Ground Effect 19,200ft
Excess Hover Power margin OGE, Sea-Level Anti-Tank Mission 39%

Armament:

Missiles 8 or 16 anti-tank missiles, 7in SAL missile or HOT3
Air-to-air missiles, infrared guidance Rockets
38 or 76 70mm unguided rockets, variation of warheads
Cannon 20mm F2 cannon, high-velocity ammunition (900 rounds)

Sighting Systems: Dual Helmet-Mounted Sight and Display (HMSD)
Stabilised nose-mounted sight with FLIR, TV, laser rangefinder, laser designator and autotracking

Avionics:
Total mission modes
Target acquisition
Flight control
Health and usage monitoring
Communications
Threat detection and control
Flight and fuel

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Sources:

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T129 | AgustaWestland

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

 

[pak-yes]

Well if speaking on likeness well then off course Apache.

But if Speaking on cost and reality then well ATAK is the best choice.

 

[Tiger Awan]

yes the ATAK is the best choice.

We also have better political relations with them. If any deal is done in future it will be more flexible.

 

[Mani2020]

We already have a thread for PA future attack helicopters

 

[Kompromat]

A1kid:

I must appreciate your effort bro , Beautifully presented thread.

I think the best Option for us is not to look for US hardware & rely on it but to move forward towards a Bird that comes with TOT or TOPT.

T-129 ATAK is the Best option and I have heard that Turkey is willing to provide us its Production Technology with UTMAS ATGM's.

And its a true beast for Pakistan army with no limitations for Numbers , spare parts , service and Ammo.

My 2 cents.

* Please visit my threadhttp://www.defence.pk/forums/land-forces/44640-t-129-atak-attack-helicopter-being-eveluated-pakistan.html

 

[A1Kaid]

^@ BlackBlood

Yes that's an excellent thread and Cabatli as always did an excellent job at contributing valuable information of the TAI and specifically T-129. Thanks for sharing.

 

[araz]

Sorry guys , we do have aparallel thread on the same topic . I think the two should be merged together, if you dont mind.
MODS can we please merge the 2 thresads.
Araz

 

[Kompromat]

^@ BlackBlood

Yes that's an excellent thread and Cabatli as always did an excellent job at contributing valuable information of the TAI and specifically T-129. Thanks for sharing.

East and west my brother Cabatli is the best

 

[Aeri-Eye]

Turkey ATAK all the way :jhanda:

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Right now we are in an urgent need of a helicopter.And turkish T129 is not even being manufactured so we need helis urgentlly Chinese and european for now and turkish for later when they start its mass production.

 

[Kompromat]

Right now we are in an urgent need of a helicopter.And turkish T129 is not even being manufactured so we need helis urgentlly Chinese and european for now and turkish for later when they start its mass production.

Super cobra is on the way

 

[Sunny4pak]

Assalam-o-Alaikum,
I have voted for T-129 in above poll......... But i suggest that PAA should go for 8-12 Rooivalk South African and after that T-129 would be a great bird to have in PAA....?
Why i suggested this...
1- ROOVIALK will be easily available for PAA as we have good relations with SA.
2- Pakistan should Induct new heloes till the T-129 serial production in 2013..


Regards,

Sunny

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I am in favor of taking TOT for helicopter from China , and then getting our engineers to mount our shoulder held , missiles with slight modifications to hit ground targets or air-air missiles

I think helicopters are not something difficult, and we could get help in avionics from Turkey , infact we use the advance pods in our UAV we could reverse engineer these elements -

We already have other components

a) Missiles
b) Hand held stinger variants
c) and kowledge from Jf17 launching mechanism for missiles can be
reused on the helicopters
d) We already produce some facinating rifles and machine guns
create one for the helicopters

 

[Kompromat]

I am in favor of taking TOT for helicopter from China

And what is that helicopter? Z-10? its being canceled .

getting our engineers to mount our shoulder held , missiles with slight modifications to hit ground targets or air-air missiles

We are in a desperate need of MANPADS.

I think helicopters are not something difficult, and we could get help in avionics from Turkey , infact we use the advance pods in our UAV we could reverse engineer these elements

I dont think so

We already have other components

a) Missiles

Enlighten me on which missiles you are talking about ??
Because we do not make any Infrared/Laser guided ATGM or PGM's .
Apart from H-2 and H-4 which cannot be fired from a heli.

b) Hand held stinger variants
c) and kowledge from Jf17 launching mechanism for missiles can be
reused on the helicopters

Explain it.

d) We already produce some facinating rifles and machine guns create one for the helicopters

And what are those guns that we produce ? WWII G-3A3 & G-3P4?

I dont know what an assault rifle has to do with a Gatling gun.