Over 1,000 'hostile' spies visited Pakistan under INGO guise: Nisar

[RescueRanger]

I have family in I-9 and that would be Islamabad. I was there only last month. A few embassy officials and foreign company staff about covers it. That statement "countingon hands" was not meant to read in literal terms. It meant very, very, very, very few. Count the incoming flights in Islamabad and then look at who gets out. Mostly it is people like us coming back to see the "old country". Foreigners on the whole would prefer to get their testicles chopped before they go to Pakistan.

Even the British Embassy moved most of their staff to Dubai. I am not some Ghora you can bull*shit to. Trust me I say things to English to make Pakistan look good but we know the truth so let us leave it at that ....

1. You have family in I9 you were there only last month
2. Do you live outside Islamabad/Pakistan
3. A few embassy officials and foreign company staff about covers it?

Listen up brother let me set you stright on one thing, a) dismount that high horse you have because with your first statement you have told me everything I need to know... Now let me inform you:

1, Islamabad hosts more than 300 Chinese Nationals working for ZTE and Huwawei CM PAK
3. The MSG: Marine Security Guard in the US Embassy alone is 350 personnel : http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KH04Df03.html
4. The British Embassy has no consular staff in country yes that is correct but they do have a DFID Office and SAAD hub which is staffed by expats. = feel free to google it
5. GIZ: German Technical Assistance have a field office Islamabad and this is staffed by German expats who are in an advisory capacity
6. Australian Embassy certain roles are expats only
7. ATAP US DOJ DOS DSS Training Detachment are all US
8. Various MNCs have expats located in Islamabad cannot name names but I am sure you can think of a few.

Now coming to the meat of your argument: where do you think I pulled out these reports form? My butt?

http://www.secp.gov.pk/orders/pdf/orders-2012/Order_PAX_MONDIAL_PAKISTAN.PDF
German Intelligence Cell Busted In Peshawar ~ pakconnects

I suppose I made this up too: http://web.archive.org/web/20120413114711/http://www.na.gov.pk/uploads/documents/1302318855_132.pdf

To quote what you said "I am not some Ghora you can bull*shit to": I just want to say, don't underestimate who speak to on these forums... I am not some kid behind a keyboard either...

Are you really that simple or trolling, You DON'T want out government to control WHO comes and GOES in our COUNTRY..? You really think SOC were holding hands and singing sounds around the inghiti in Abbotabad?

Get real for a minute...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

1. You have family in I9 you were there only last month
2. Do you live outside Islamabad/Pakistan
3. A few embassy officials and foreign company staff about covers it?

Listen up brother let me set you stright on one thing, a) dismount that high horse you have because with your first statement you have told me everything I need to know... Now let me inform you:

1, Islamabad hosts more than 300 Chinese Nationals working for ZTE and Huwawei CM PAK
3. The MSG: Marine Security Guard in the US Embassy alone is 350 personnel : http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KH04Df03.html
4. The British Embassy has no consular staff in country yes that is correct but they do have a DFID Office and SAAD hub which is staffed by expats. = feel free to google it
5. GIZ: German Technical Assistance have a field office Islamabad and this is staffed by German expats who are in an advisory capacity
6. Australian Embassy certain roles are expats only
7. ATAP US DOJ DOS DSS Training Detachment are all US
8. Various MNCs have expats located in Islamabad cannot name names but I am sure you can think of a few.

Now coming to the meat of your argument: where do you think I pulled out these reports form? My butt?

http://www.secp.gov.pk/orders/pdf/orders-2012/Order_PAX_MONDIAL_PAKISTAN.PDF
German Intelligence Cell Busted In Peshawar ~ pakconnects

I suppose I made this up too: http://web.archive.org/web/20120413114711/http://www.na.gov.pk/uploads/documents/1302318855_132.pdf

To quote what you said "I am not some Ghora you can bull*shit to": I just want to say, don't underestimate who speak to on these forums... I am not some kid behind a keyboard either...

Are you really that simple or trolling, You DON'T want out government to control WHO comes and GOES in our COUNTRY..? You really think SOC were holding hands and singing sounds around the inghiti in Abbotabad?

Get real for a minute...

This is just going in circles. I am not on a horse I am sat on a sofa thank you. I know there are foreigners in Islamabad. All the information you have shown in fact proves my point. Shall I tell you how? The fact that you have managed to enumerate them shows the total number is "peanuts" literally and figuretively.

For referance find out how many foreigners reside in Mumbai, Dubai, London or Hong Kong? Millions on millions. Thus underlying my point that the number of foreigners in Pakistan is repeat "peanuts".

If you still disagree with this fact there is no point in further discussion ....

Ps. To clarify I mean Islamabad I-9 near the park.I also have family in K-Pk I am off to Iftari. good evening to you.

 

[RescueRanger]

This is just going in circles. I am not on a horse I am sat on a sofa thank you. I know there are foreigners in Islamabad. All the information you have shown in fact proves my point. Shall I tell you how? The fact that you have managed to enumerate them shows the total number is "peanuts" literally and figuretively.

For referance find out how many foreigners reside in Mumbai, Dubai, London or Hong Kong? Millions on millions. Thus underlying my point that the number of foreigners in Pakistan is repeat "peanuts".

If you still disagree with this fact there is no point in further discussion ....

Are you for real... You are comparing Mumbai to Islamabad now... Mate just answer me one thing... Are you trolling now! You didn't even read the report on PaxMondial and it's activity with SOTC and SOC... Goodness, come on man you are the one who is refuting facts....

You are debating security with someone who understands it and then keep flicking back and forth to "How many foreigners", "How many foreigners"... Bahi even 10 people who are trained can make a hell of a headache for security establishment... Mumbai says hello!

Read the links I have posted, study a little about security and risk posturing and treat analysis and then we will talk... To compare Indian to Pakistan in terms of "foreigners" lol you are on another planet. And your right, there is no discussion to be had here, since you didn't even bother to read the links I posted.

Just sit on that sofa and keep running in circles... Clueless!

 

[RescueRanger]

Licences of 208 local NGOs cancelled - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

2.. Send in Afghan's to swim along the Afghan refugees. Again very difficult to filter out or detect.

Given that India would be more than willing to assist ( ditto Afghans ) this would be easy to do. I am not denying the possibility that there might be some spies amongst the INGOs but to get all crazy about this is pathetic.

that's what the indians and their asset (the now disgraced former president karzai) were and still are doing.....TTP in Pakistan and support for terrorism in Balochistan Province via Afghanistan.

 

[RescueRanger]

that's what the indians and their asset (the now disgraced former president karzai) were and still are doing.....TTP in Pakistan and support for terrorism in Balochistan Province via Afghanistan.

Sir that's exactly what I was getting at. One only needs to google BINGO Pakistan: Balochistan International NGO Security Consortium. It's not something I made up

Agency shut it down they are now back under the name "PAK SAFE: Pakistan Humanitarian Forum".

 

[tarrar]

NGO's in Pakistan have only spread terrorism, funding to rented terrorists & expansion of spy network in Pakistan. This is the only thing they are doing.

 

[RescueRanger]

NGO's in Pakistan have only spread terrorism, funding to rented terrorists & expansion of spy network in Pakistan. This is the only thing they are doing.

Not all of them, but some certainly have been doing more than humanitarian work. And this has been proven by our agencies.

 

[Salik]

Not all of them, but some certainly have been doing more than humanitarian work. And this has been proven by our agencies.

Do you really think sir people living in third world are human.

 

[punit]

Comments like these are expected from semi literates like Nisar. If it is true that 1,000 hostile "spies" visited Pakistan under guise of INGO's tells me that they ( Spies ) were cowboys and inept. A spy is only good if he remains secret. If spy is exposed he is a spy in name only.

We need to ask Nisar why he did not arrest these incompetant spies while they were in Pakistan? If they are still there arrest them. If they have left that means he can't do his job and therefore he needs to resign promptly.

replace INGO with Indian consulate ! and it will be what a great leader Mr Nisar is !

 

[RescueRanger]

replace INGO with Indian consulate ! and it will be what a great leader Mr Nisar is !

Please don't derail the thread. @waz @Horus @Jango

 

[maxpayne]

What did Nisar find. A note or a ledger account with 1,000 ticks under the "hostile " heading? Come on people. Comments coming out of our leaders just reflects the illiterate nature of their consumers - the Pakistani ignorent public.

I am not a spymaster. Far from it. However the two easiest ways I could get 10,000 spies into Pakistan would most certainly not be by sending "blonde Caucasians" who will stick out like Polar Bears in Arabian Desert. No the simplest and easiest is either.

1. Grab Indian's and then chute them in to places like Karachi where they would fit in better than my new shoes do. You could get 10,000 in there and there would no way to filter them out.

2.. Send in Afghan's to swim along the Afghan refugees. Again very difficult to filter out or detect.

Given that India would be more than willing to assist ( ditto Afghans ) this would be easy to do. I am not denying the possibility that there might be some spies amongst the INGOs but to get all crazy about this is pathetic.

If that was the case US or UK would regard each and every immigrant from Pakistan as potential "ISI spy". Since there are millions of US and UK citizens of Pakistan origin I can imagine some British minister saying "We are going to ban Pakistani immigrants" because we have reliable source that "100,000 spies" have got into UK under cover of Pakistani migrants".

Can you imagine that?

Well u may be right in ur POV but mate, intelligence is now a vast field. And counter intelligence is lot more hectic and tough job. Intelligence mostly works when u have ground support i.e. a politicial, religious party supporting u, NGOs, businessmen, airline people and much more.
Do u know in Karachi Indian airline office had all RAW agents once, and it was located very adjacent to very sensitive location? They were detected and forced to shift to another place.
Problem is, we Pakistanis are mostly poor people and pouring $$$s make them change their faith. To counter them, our intelligence also need nearly same amount of $$$s which we dont have....
Coming to this report, it is not necessary that all spies when detected are forced to leave. Some are left for uncover their networks, feed them wrong information, link with govt officials, guesses about their next plans etc. This is how u get early warnings about possible terrorist attacks....
Earlier govt have received information about large quantity of spies, but they did not take any decision and thus let them flourish and strengthen their networks. Ch. Nisar was pointing about those list of agents. What they wil do with them now, is the decision of current govt.

 

[Arsalan]

Not all of them, but some certainly have been doing more than humanitarian work. And this has been proven by our agencies.

But most of them!! not some.

Actually it is not a point of whether they have done it or not, the thing is we provided a perfect platform in shape of "unchecked" NGO to carry out whatever activities anyone want to . In name of humanitarian aid (and i write this with utmost respect for all the foreign teams that helped us a lot in time of crisis, be it earth quake of Kashmir or floods) we actually literally left these NGO's run there affairs unchecked. I am not an advocated of closing all these NGO blindly, we surely cannot live in isolation but we must get out of that complex and these are foreigners here to HELP us so seemingly little noncompliance can be ignored. There must be a proper check and balance, thankfully unlike a foreign minister we do have an interior minister to lead the team, there are numerous agencies and law enforcement outfits there to help the ministry carry out this necessary task. What was lacking was the will and thankfully, it seems we have got that now. A stern audit and a check on these organization will help us prevent and unfortunate incidents in future and will also leave the genuinely good work some of them are doing to continue.

It would have been wiser if we had kept all this a bit more discrete. Instead of the minister speaking all this out for some point scoring against previous administration he should have though about the back lash it will cause now. Also every move will be scrutinized by our pathetic media in light of these remarks. Would have been much better if it was all carried out in a routine, after all, it is the job of law enforcement authorities to make sure our land is not being used by anti-state elements or by groups involved in activities that are a negative influence on our national interests. There is no need for the interior minister to name a 1000 examples to justify the action against 1001, just keep it under warps and execute the plan.