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Dear friends, and senior people here (Moderators and Think Tank - what is Staff?),

This is a most humble request so please do not take it wrongly.

By and large I have great admiration for the way things are kept in control here ..... it takes a lot of effort for what is essentially not your daily bread and butter, and hence our appreciation and respect to those who perform this function tirelessly.

I have also said this before and will say it again ..... by and large decisions of the Moderators are nation unbiased and both sides get an equal platform to speak out and be heard provided they keep it civil and to the point.

No complaints so far.

However, it cannot be missed that most members with a "Banned" suddenly appearing under their ID are Indians. Rarely (if ever) a Pakistani.

I have absolutely no complaint when its a new-ish member who is obviously trolling and here to create trouble, or lacking in basic decorum, etc. But often, I see Indian posters with a large number of posts behind them suddenly Banned. Many of them are posters whose posts I like to read, for their content and quality. They are not trouble makers. They may have an off day, an off post, a burst of temper, a bad day at the office, or anything else.

But aren't Pakistanis equally prone to these afflictions of chronic netizens? Are we not all equally human? Yet suddenly Indian regulars will be shown as "Banned" and those of us regulars who come back the next day and click on "New Posts" and read the ones we are involved in or which interest us, may or may not find the thread or the exact post that got a friend/fellow member Banned.

Now here is where my request comes in ...... I am not advocating the cause of my compatriots here though I hope seniors take note and introspect on what I have pointed out.

Simply put, if someone of some standing (as can be seen by number of posts, thanks, and general content and feel which one gets about the person if one is regular on the Forum .... its like a big often dysfunctional family!) gets Banned, then MAYBE it would be helpful to others if there were a hyper-link or an explanation or simply the offending part for which the member has got Banned.

This will promote Transparency in what is already a very fine forum, and increase confidence in members of all nationalities with regard to the unbiased nature of the Forum.

This will also help to further elucidate the rules and boundaries to those like me who would like to push the envelope from time to time, in a civil manner of course, as to where the line is, and no further, so that we may in turn improve and not get Banned ourselves.

This will in no way undermine your authority on what is essentially a pakistani forum, where we Indians are guests. But it will promote and foster healthier relations and better debate I feel.

Thanks and regards,

Cheers, Doc
 
This will also help to further elucidate the rules and boundaries to those like me who would like to push the envelope from time to time, in a civil manner of course, as to where the line is, and no further, so that we may in turn improve and not get Banned ourselves.
Well! If you want to push the envelope from time to time..get ready for a ban.Insult is a insult..sugarcoating it does not make it civil.This is not Bharat Rakshak Forum..As far as the rest of your rant, well i guess moderators will reply soon.
FYI: I am a Pakistani and got infractions twice and several warnings from Mods.
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huh doc read the rules and regulations only trolls from Indian side get banned.


I dont think so you, ejaz or other good posters from India ever we banned.
 
Well! If you want to push the envelope from time to time..get ready to for a ban.Insult is a insult..sugarcoating it does not make it civil.This is not Bharat Rakshak Forum..As far as the rest of your rant, well i guess moderators will reply soon.
FYI: I am a Pakistani and got infractions twice and several warnings from Mods.
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Which part of my post came across as a rant to you?

This is a Defense forum. This is India and Pakistan. If you are expecting mutually-eulogising bhajjans and quawwalis then I guess its you who is in the wrong place.

90% of the attraction of such a place (at least for me) is butting heads with you guys at a cerebral level, without gaali galoch.

10% is getting to know you as guys and girls next door without the state rhetoric and getting to get a more ground level feel of your country and its people.

Depending on who I butt heads with, the ratios and percentages described above differ in a fluid state of flux.

For example with you its 100-0.

Whatever rocks your boat.

And finally, its not about being "ready for a ban" or not, or the fear of an impending one. Its simply some indication of WHY / WHAT FOR someone got Banned.

Its my view, its a reasonable request, and its open to discussion and debate.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Well! If you want to push the envelope from time to time..get ready to for a ban.Insult is a insult..sugarcoating it does not make it civil.This is not Bharat Rakshak Forum..As far as the rest of your rant, well i guess moderators will reply soon.
FYI: I am a Pakistani and got infractions twice and several warnings from Mods.
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Well said buddy; Sometimes i wonder why people like to take things

for granted. Anybody will get warning or ban if they cross the line.

It surely had nothing to do with nationality.

Just stop whining and let the administration to make the right

decision. :cheers:
 
huh doc read the rules and regulations only trolls from Indian side get banned.


I dont think so you, ejaz or other good posters from India ever we banned.

Thank you for the compliment Jana .... you're very sweet!

But there are at least 2-3 in the recent past who do not fit the troll bill. I can name names if mods agree to a healthy debate.

Again, it would in no way be questioning their decision. All I'm saying is a simple explanation adjoining the Banned ID will do the trick. We will accept it as the "Umpires" decision and move on.

And if some cheerleaders feel its got nothing to do with Nationality, so be it. Maybe if the administration could release Stats for the past ONE MONTH, it would go some way in proving or disproving my point respectfully made.

Cheers, Doc
 
well in the past i also got an infraction/warning for saying something against Indians so there should be no fuss over it. Although i am a founding member of this forum.

I would say again Doc read the rules and regulations most of the Indians got banned were trolls
 
I know you got banned Jana. Somewhere down the line I'll probably get banned too.

Forget the Indian-Pakistani Banned score for a bit.

Are you with me on the explanation bit at least? Aap jab ban hui, kya aapke dost chintagrast nahin hue ki itni sweet ladki kyun ban hui?

That is my point.

And again, the few IDs I am referring to, which prompted my post, I could see NOTHING Trollish about.

Cheers, Doc
 
@Jana

I actually did get banned for a week but not complaining, just wanted to correct the stats. :)
 
Actually I got banned for 3 days for expressing myself pictorially.:P

Currently I am under infraction for using a slur:cry:. I didn't use the slur against anybody, though. It was just a counter argument. Unfortunately, the mod took it literally and didn't look at it in its right context.

Anyway, I kinda agree with doctorsahab.

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I dont think PDF is unbalanced, though there is a little tilt. PDF bans any one who crosses the line - more or less fair.

There are many good moderates here- AM, All-Green, etc. very fair eventhough we may not agree with their view point. I dont think any view point is blocked but you know some people cant still without being offensive to another.
 
Forget about it Doc, actually take your stay here as a temporary stay and be prepared to be treated as a troll even when you cross 1000 post mark. Lot of Indian guys do get banned after they had established them as part of this forum and it will continue to happen. Those guys never returned after the ban and so should you do if banned for something you consider unjustifiable.

The advice for you is to enjoy the stay here and the day you feel being treated as bad or the day you get Ban, just forget about this place after all there are plenty of forums on internet both Pakistani and international to go.

Regards.

Oh hi you again here :)

Hmmm BTW this place 2000% better than any of your Indian forum where you can not stay for too long no matter how much you are posting sensibly.

And if there are too many forums arround you can just jump in then why to bother coming here?

Lots of them get banned for abusive language and other such things which are against the rules.

many Pakistani trolls are also banned for using abusive language against Indians.

You guys should thanked the forun for allowing you to carry on propaganda against Pakistan one way or the other.

This is the only place where you are given equal rights so do value this.

If it was not worth a place you all would have been on BR type of forum not here
 
Hi,

Read the first post here. About making public the reason for banning, well may be it's not done since other users will end up taking sides and there will be more brouhaha among the peeps.

For the decisions being arbitrary, well it is the admins' forum, and as one has heard many times from different mouths, "uss ka forum hai, jo marzi mein aye kareingay". If we ask for explanations, there are many bans that won't make sense to us.

Also, how does many posts exempt one user from not getting banned. We all contribute to these foras in our own "special" way... and I guess everyone is "treasured" and yet "dispensible". The last being more important than anything else. Lol... as someone had put it somewhere, "this forum does not depend on any fard-e-wahid". :angel: (well the same works the other way round. You don't need this forum to eat, breathe or sleep or live life either.)

Sowie... took a little off course.
 
Suck it up Vsdoc.

Indians are in no short supply here, infact they outnumber the Pakistanis here it appears. If you get banned, a dozen more will sign up. No problemo amigo.
 
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