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Honourable Sir,

I am fully aware of start of Zionism and the Austro-Hungarian Journalist Theodore Herzl book ‘the Jewish State’ as mentioned in my post #64; where in it was proposed that East European Jews should migrate to Palestine which was then under the Ottoman control. Despite a steady migration of Ashkenazi Jews following the start of Zionist movement, total population of Jews in Palestine in 1914 was no more than 80 to 85,000 among 700,000 Palestinian Arabs.

League of Nations mandate following the Turkish defeat placed Palestine lands had been placed under British Control. Large scale migration of Ashkenazi Jews started following the rise of Nazi parties in Germany & Italy. It estimated that 600,000 arrived in 1930 alone. 1936-1939 Arab Revolt and the Jewish Resistance movement of 1944-9147 which you have mentioned was the direct consequence of this mass migration. Establishment of the Jewish State was thru Balfour declaration of Nov 2, 1917. Had the Arab not sided with the Allied Powers to kick Turks out of Bilad- esh – Sham; there would be no Israel today.

It is true that Israel has invaded Lebanon in 1978, 1985, & 2006, but it is incorrect that all the wars were started by Israel.

For the record:

On 29th Nov 1947, UN General Assembly adopted a resolution for the partition of Palestine between independent Jewish & Arab States and the city of Jerusalem which was rejected by the Arab League.

British Mandate was to end on 14th May 1948 and complete withdrawal of British forces by August 1, 1948. David Ben Gurian declared creation of Isreal on May 14, 1948. Even though King Abdullah did not initially want to interfere, he agreed to join the Arab forces invasion of Israeli state. Arab Armies of Egypt, Syria, Iraq & Jordan invaded Israel on May 15, 1948.

Following the bankruptcy of Egypt under Ismael Pasha, British had purchased Egyptian shares of the Suez Canal for £4-million (about £100-million in today’s money). In 1888 Suez Canal had been declared as a ‘Neutral Zone’ under British protection. Convention came into force with the agreement of the Ottomans with France & Britain as the main guarantors. 1952 Coup which changed Egypt into a Republic and brought Gamal Abdul Nasser power changed the political scenario of the region. France, Britain and Israel entered into an alliance with France supplying large quantities of weapons to the Israel army.

On July 26, 1956 Nasser nationalised Suez Canal and ordered Egyptian forces to occupy the Canal Zone. 1956 war was direct result of Nasser’s annexation of the Suez Canal. Main opponents were Britain & France. Israel was only a side show and its forces retreated to 1948 borders at the end of the war.

I clearly remember all events leading to 1967 war. There were a small number of UN observers following the armistice of 1956. In May 1967 Nasser ordered UN troops out of the region and ordered concentration of the Egyptian forces in the Sinai. War started when Egyptian forced a naval blockade of the Gulf of Aqaba which preventing ships from going to the Israel port of Eilath. This resulted in the pre-emptive air strike by Israel and start of the 6-day war. Result was wholly one sided and Israel refused to give up conquered Arab territory. Yom Kippur war of 1973 was again started by Anwar Sadaat to recover Sinai from Israel occupation.

I repeat that I am anti-Zionist and consider creation of a Jewish State at the expense of Palestinian Arabs as unjust. I also consider Israeli reprisals against the Hamas out of proportion. But I would not twist the facts to blame Israel for all the wars.

All of the above is mere history; main topic here is how to delete Israel. I would say that State of Israel is a ‘Fait accompali’; you wouldn’t be able to remove it from the face of the Earth short of dropping a few megatons of nuclear bombs. As a human being I couldn’t even contemplate such an act, let alone do it.

Ideal solution is going back to 1948 borders. Should that be impossible, then coming to an agreement in a Land for Peace type deal? You can call me an Israeli or CIA agent if you like, but I find it unacceptable to have 300 people killed for the pleasure of throwing a few rockets on Israeli settlers. This needless loss of life must stop.

My points were simply these:

1. There wasn't any organised militancy against settlers Jews - only sporadic attacks. In the 1936 Arab revolution, the main targets were British.

2. This is debatable whether there could be an Israel had the Arabs not allied with the British. Alternative history can have many alternative scenarios.

3. As you have said, Israel pre-empted in 1967. She was the first to attack the opponents.

4. During the 1956 war, Israel had captured all the Sinai peninsula, it was only after severe pressure from President Roosevelt that they gave it back to Egypt. They were very resentful of that. In the whole history of Israel, other than Roosevelt and JFK, no other president has dared to take an Anti-Israeli position.

5. Israel is not a small, peace-loving nation. It has sinister designs about the whole region. On the eve of Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 an article was published in World Zionist Organizations' periodical Kivunim. It was titled, 'A strategy for Israel in the 1980s'. It was written by a former senior foreign ministry official of Israel - Oded Yinon. I am just copying from an article some of the details:

[The Yinon plan] is an Israeli strategic plan to ensure Israeli regional superiority. It insists and stipulates that Israel must reconfigure its geo-political environment through the balkanization of the surrounding Arab states into smaller and weaker states.

Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. In Iraq, on the basis of the concepts of the Yinon Plan, Israeli strategists have called for the division of Iraq into a Kurdish state and two Arab states, one for Shiite Muslims and the other for Sunni Muslims. The first step towards establishing this was a war between Iraq and Iran, which the Yinon Plan discusses.

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The Atlantic, in 2008, and the U.S. military’s Armed Forces Journal, in 2006, both published widely circulated maps that closely followed the outline of the Yinon Plan. Aside from a divided Iraq, which the Biden Plan also calls for, the Yinon Plan calls for a divided Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria. The partitioning of Iran, Turkey, Somalia, and Pakistan also all fall into line with these views. The Yinon Plan also calls for dissolution in North Africa and forecasts it as starting from Egypt and then spilling over into Sudan, Libya, and the rest of the region.

The plan operates on two essential premises. To survive, Israel must 1) become an imperial regional power, and 2) must effect the division of the whole area into small states by the dissolution of all existing Arab states. Small here will depend on the ethnic or sectarian composition of each state. Consequently, the Zionist hope is that sectarian-based states become Israel’s satellites and, ironically, its source of moral legitimation… This is not a new idea, nor does it surface for the first time in Zionist strategic thinking. Indeed, fragmenting all Arab states into smaller units has been a recurrent theme.

For me the best solution will be to gather all the Israelis and Palestinians (resident + In exile) and on the basis of their demographic strength, give the relevant percentage of land - with Jerusalem being a neutral area protected by International forces from all three faiths.
 
Your reference to Sura Araf is totally out of context. 7:160+ are talking about the PAST,

you were trying to use them for FUTURE.

I think the verse that irks you the most is 7:167. First time I quoted it from the translation of MAS Abdelhaleem. It is freely available at Archive.org.

Now, I will quote the same verse from Sahih International (Quran.com): And [mention] when your Lord declared that He would surely [continue to] send upon them until the Day of Resurrection those who would afflict them with the worst torment. Indeed, your Lord is swift in penalty; but indeed, He is Forgiving and Merciful. (7:167)

Also, if you notice, I did not stop at that, I also added the verses which tell about righteous among the Children of Israel: And We divided them throughout the earth into nations. Of them some were righteous, and of them some were otherwise. And We tested them with good [times] and bad that perhaps they would return [to obedience]. (7:168)

Please note: Until the Day of Resurrection (Youm-ul-Qiyamah).

 
A Disciplined Hezbollah Surprises Israel With Its Training, Tactics and Weapons
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JERUSALEM, Aug. 6 — On Dec. 26, 2003, a powerful earthquake leveled most of Bam, in southeastern Iran, killing 35,000 people. Transport planes carrying aid poured in from everywhere, including Syria.

According to Israeli military intelligence, the planes returned to Syria carrying sophisticated weapons, including long-range Zelzal missiles, which the Syrians passed on to Hezbollah, the Shiite militia group in southern Lebanon that Iran created and sponsors.

As the Israeli Army struggles for a fourth week to defeat Hezbollah before a cease-fire, the shipments are just one indication of how — with the help of its main sponsors, Iran and Syria — the militia has sharply improved its arsenal and strategies in the six years since Israel abruptly ended its occupation of southern Lebanon.

Hezbollah is a militia trained like an army and equipped like a state, and its fighters “are nothing like Hamas or the Palestinians,” said a soldier who just returned from Lebanon. “They are trained and highly qualified,” he said, equipped with flak jackets, night-vision goggles, good communications and sometimes Israeli uniforms and ammunition. “All of us were kind of surprised.”

Much attention has been focused on Hezbollah’s astonishing stockpile of Syrian- and Iranian-made missiles, some 3,000 of which have already fallen on Israel. More than 48 Israelis have been killed in the attacks — including 12 reservist soldiers killed Sunday, who were gathered at a kibbutz at Kfar Giladi, in northern Israel, when rockets packed with antipersonnel ball bearings exploded among them, and 3 killed Sunday evening in another rocket barrage on Haifa.

But Iran and Syria also used those six years to provide satellite communications and some of the world’s best infantry weapons, including modern, Russian-made antitank weapons and Semtex plastic explosives, as well as the training required to use them effectively against Israeli armor.

It is Hezbollah’s skillful use of those weapons — in particular, wire-guided and laser-guided antitank missiles, with double, phased explosive warheads and a range of about two miles — that has caused most of the casualties to Israeli forces.

Hezbollah’s Russian-made antitank missiles, designed to penetrate armor, have damaged or destroyed Israeli vehicles, including its most modern tank, the Merkava, on about 20 percent of their hits, Israeli tank commanders at the front said.

Hezbollah has also used antitank missiles, including the less modern Sagger, to fire from a distance into houses in which Israeli troops are sheltered, with a first explosion cracking the typical concrete block wall and the second going off inside.

“They use them like artillery to hit houses,” said Brig. Gen. Yossi Kuperwasser, until recently the Israeli Army’s director of intelligence analysis. “They can use them accurately up to even three kilometers, and they go through a wall like through the armor of a tank.”

Hezbollah fighters use tunnels to quickly emerge from the ground, fire a shoulder-held antitank missile, and then disappear again, much the way Chechen rebels used the sewer system of Grozny to attack Russian armored columns.

“We know what they have and how they work,” General Kuperwasser said. “But we don’t know where all the tunnels are. So they can achieve tactical surprise.”

The antitank missiles are the “main fear” for Israeli troops, said David Ben-Nun, 24, an enlisted man in the Nahal brigade who just returned from a week in Lebanon. The troops do not linger long in any house because of hidden missile crews. “You can’t even see them,” he said.

With modern communications and a network of tunnels, storage rooms, barracks and booby traps laid under the hilly landscape, Hezbollah’s training, tactics and modern weaponry explain, the Israelis say, why they are moving with caution.

The Israelis say Hezbollah’s fighters number from 2,000 to 4,000, a small army that is aided by a larger circle of part-timers who provide logistics and storage of weapons in houses and civilian buildings.

Hezbollah operates like a revolutionary force within a civilian sea, making it hard to fight without occupying or bombing civilian areas. On orders, some fighters emerge to retrieve launchers, fire missiles and then melt away. Still, the numbers are small compared with the Israeli Army and are roughly the size of one Syrian division.

The Iranian Revolutionary Guards have helped teach Hezbollah how to organize itself like an army, with special units for intelligence, antitank warfare, explosives, engineering, communications and rocket launching.

They have also taught Hezbollah how to aim rockets, make shaped “improvised explosive devices” — used to such devastating results against American armor in Iraq — and, the Israelis say, even how to fire the C-802, a ground-to-ship missile that Israel never knew Hezbollah possessed.

Iranian Air Force officers have made repeated trips to Lebanon to train Hezbollah to aim and fire Iranian medium-range missiles, like the Fajr-3 and Fajr-5, according to intelligence officials in Washington. The Americans say they believe that a small number of Iranian operatives remain in Beirut, but say there is no evidence that they are directing Hezbollah’s attacks.

But Iran, so far, has not allowed Hezbollah to fire one of the Zelzal missiles, the Israelis say.

The former Syrian president, Hafez al-Assad, was careful to restrict supplies to Hezbollah, but his son, Bashar, who took over in 2000 — the year Israel pulled out of Lebanon — has opened its warehouses.

Syria has given Hezbollah 220-millimeter and 302-millimeter missiles, both equipped with large, anti-personnel warheads. Syria has also given Hezbollah its most sophisticated antitank weapons, sold to the Syrian Army by Russia.

Those, General Kuperwasser said, include the Russian Metis and RPG-29. The RPG-29 has both an antitank round to better penetrate armor and an anti-personnel round. The Metis is more modern yet, wire-guided with a longer range and a higher speed, and can fire up to four rounds a minute.

Some Israelis say they believe that Syria has provided Hezbollah with the Russian-made Kornet, laser-guided, with a range of about three miles, which Hezbollah may be holding back, waiting for Israel to move farther into southern Lebanon and extend its supply lines.

Despite Israeli complaints to Moscow, “Russia just decided to close its eyes,” a senior Israeli official said.

In its early years, Hezbollah specialized in suicide bombings and kidnappings. The United States blames it for the suicide attacks on the American Embassy in Beirut and a Marine barracks in 1983. The group became popular in the Shiite south and set up its mini-state there, as well as reserving to itself a section of southern Beirut, known as Security Square.

Until 2003, Timur Goksel was the senior political adviser to Unifil, the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, which monitors the border. He says he knows Hezbollah well and speaks with admiration of its commitment and organization.

After fighting the Israelis for 18 years, “they’re not afraid of the Israeli Army anymore,” he said in a telephone interview from Beirut. Hezbollah’s ability to harass the Israelis and study their flaws, like a tendency for regular patrols and for troop convoys on the eve of the Sabbath, gave Hezbollah confidence that the Israeli Army “is a normal human army, with normal vulnerabilities and follies,” he added.

Now, however, “Hezbollah has much better weapons than before,” he said.

Mr. Goksel describes Hezbollah much as the Israelis do: careful, patient, attuned to gathering intelligence, scholars of guerrilla warfare from the American Revolution to Mao and the Vietcong, and respectful of Israeli firepower and mobility.

“Hezbollah has studied asymmetrical warfare, and they have the advantage of fighting in their own landscape, among their people, where they’ve prepared for just what the Israelis are doing — entering behind armor on the ground,” Mr. Goksel said.

“They have staff work and they do long-term planning, something the Palestinians never do,” he said. “They watch for two months to note every detail of their enemy. They review their operations — what they did wrong, how the enemy responded. And they have flexible tactics, without a large hierarchical command structure.”

That makes them very different from the Soviet-trained Arab armies the Israelis defeated in 1967 and 1973, which had a command structure that was too regimented.

In 1992, when Sheik Hassan Nasrallah took over, he organized Hezbollah into three regional commands with military autonomy. Beirut and the Hezbollah council made policy, but did not try to run the war. Sheik Nasrallah — said to have been advised by the secretive Imad Mugniyeh, a trained engineer wanted by the United States on terrorism charges — thereby improved Hezbollah’s security and limited its communications.

It set up separate and largely autonomous units that live among civilians, with local reserve forces to provide support, supplies and logistics. Hezbollah commanders travel in old cars without bodyguards or escorts and wear no visible insignia, Mr. Goksel said, to keep their identities hidden.

Hezbollah began by setting up roadside bombs detonated by cables, which the Israelis learned to defeat with wire-cutting attachments to their vehicles. Then Hezbollah used radio detonators, which the Israelis also defeated, and then cellphone detonators, and then a double system of cellphones, and then a photocell detonator — like the beam that opens an automatic door. Now, Mr. Goksel said, Hezbollah is working with pressure detonators dug into the roads, even as the Israelis weld metal plates to the bottom of their tanks.

Hezbollah, Mr. Goksel says, has clear tactics, trying to draw Israeli ground troops farther into Lebanon. “They can’t take the Israelis in open battle,” he said, “so they want to draw them in to well-prepared battlefields,” like Aita al Shaab, where there has been fierce fighting.

He added: “They know the Israelis depend too much on armor, which is a prime target for them. And they want Israeli supply lines to lengthen, so they’re easier to hit.”

Israeli tanks have been struck by huge roadside bombs planted in expectation that Israeli armor would roll across the border, said one tank lieutenant, who in keeping with military policy would only give his first name, Ohad.

At least two soldiers from his unit have been wounded by snipers who are accurate at 600 yards. The Hezbollah fighters “are not just farmers who have been given weapons to fire,” he said. “They are persistent and well trained.”

Another tank company commander, a captain who gave his name as Edan, said that about 20 percent of the missiles that have hit Israeli tanks penetrated the Merkava armor or otherwise caused causalities.

Col. Mordechai Kahane, the commander of the Golani brigade’s Egoz unit, first set up to fight Hezbollah, told the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot of one of the worst early days, when his unit went into Marun al Ras in daylight, and lost a senior officer and a number of men.

“Hezbollah put us to sleep” building up its fortifications, he said. “There’s no certainty that we knew that we were going to encounter what it is that we ultimately encountered. We said, ‘There is going to be a bunker here, a cave there,’ but the thoroughness surprised us all. A Hezbollah weapons storeroom is not just a natural cave. It’s a pit with concrete, ladders, emergency openings, escape routes. We didn’t know it was that well organized.”

General Kuperwasser, too, respects Hezbollah’s ability “to well prepare the battlefield,” but says, “We’re making progress and killing a lot of them, and more of them are giving up in battle now and becoming prisoners, which is a very important sign.”

Steven Erlanger reported from Jerusalem for this article, and Richard A. Oppel Jr. from Zarit, Israel. Mark Mazzetti contributed reporting from Washington.
 
I think the verse that irks you the most is 7:167. First time I quoted it from the translation of MAS Abdelhaleem. It is freely available at Archive.org.

Now, I will quote the same verse from Sahih International (Quran.com): And [mention] when your Lord declared that He would surely [continue to] send upon them until the Day of Resurrection those who would afflict them with the worst torment. Indeed, your Lord is swift in penalty; but indeed, He is Forgiving and Merciful. (7:167)

Also, if you notice, I did not stop at that, I also added the verses which tell about righteous among the Children of Israel: And We divided them throughout the earth into nations. Of them some were righteous, and of them some were otherwise. And We tested them with good [times] and bad that perhaps they would return [to obedience]. (7:168)

Please note: Until the Day of Resurrection (Youm-ul-Qiyamah).


Look. you are mixing past with present and present with future.

you keep on saying that Quran verse is still applicable on Israel today. Then who are the ones being sent to afflict them with worst torment?

let's hear it.


thank you.
 
A Disciplined Hezbollah Surprises Israel With Its Training, Tactics and Weapons
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JERUSALEM, Aug. 6 — On Dec. 26, 2003, a powerful earthquake leveled most of Bam, in southeastern Iran, killing 35,000 people. Transport planes carrying aid poured in from everywhere, including Syria.

According to Israeli military intelligence, the planes returned to Syria carrying sophisticated weapons, including long-range Zelzal missiles, which the Syrians passed on to Hezbollah, the Shiite militia group in southern Lebanon that Iran created and sponsors.

As the Israeli Army struggles for a fourth week to defeat Hezbollah before a cease-fire, the shipments are just one indication of how — with the help of its main sponsors, Iran and Syria — the militia has sharply improved its arsenal and strategies in the six years since Israel abruptly ended its occupation of southern Lebanon.

Hezbollah is a militia trained like an army and equipped like a state, and its fighters “are nothing like Hamas or the Palestinians,” said a soldier who just returned from Lebanon. “They are trained and highly qualified,” he said, equipped with flak jackets, night-vision goggles, good communications and sometimes Israeli uniforms and ammunition. “All of us were kind of surprised.”

Much attention has been focused on Hezbollah’s astonishing stockpile of Syrian- and Iranian-made missiles, some 3,000 of which have already fallen on Israel. More than 48 Israelis have been killed in the attacks — including 12 reservist soldiers killed Sunday, who were gathered at a kibbutz at Kfar Giladi, in northern Israel, when rockets packed with antipersonnel ball bearings exploded among them, and 3 killed Sunday evening in another rocket barrage on Haifa.

But Iran and Syria also used those six years to provide satellite communications and some of the world’s best infantry weapons, including modern, Russian-made antitank weapons and Semtex plastic explosives, as well as the training required to use them effectively against Israeli armor.

It is Hezbollah’s skillful use of those weapons — in particular, wire-guided and laser-guided antitank missiles, with double, phased explosive warheads and a range of about two miles — that has caused most of the casualties to Israeli forces.

Hezbollah’s Russian-made antitank missiles, designed to penetrate armor, have damaged or destroyed Israeli vehicles, including its most modern tank, the Merkava, on about 20 percent of their hits, Israeli tank commanders at the front said.

Hezbollah has also used antitank missiles, including the less modern Sagger, to fire from a distance into houses in which Israeli troops are sheltered, with a first explosion cracking the typical concrete block wall and the second going off inside.

“They use them like artillery to hit houses,” said Brig. Gen. Yossi Kuperwasser, until recently the Israeli Army’s director of intelligence analysis. “They can use them accurately up to even three kilometers, and they go through a wall like through the armor of a tank.”

Hezbollah fighters use tunnels to quickly emerge from the ground, fire a shoulder-held antitank missile, and then disappear again, much the way Chechen rebels used the sewer system of Grozny to attack Russian armored columns.

“We know what they have and how they work,” General Kuperwasser said. “But we don’t know where all the tunnels are. So they can achieve tactical surprise.”

The antitank missiles are the “main fear” for Israeli troops, said David Ben-Nun, 24, an enlisted man in the Nahal brigade who just returned from a week in Lebanon. The troops do not linger long in any house because of hidden missile crews. “You can’t even see them,” he said.

With modern communications and a network of tunnels, storage rooms, barracks and booby traps laid under the hilly landscape, Hezbollah’s training, tactics and modern weaponry explain, the Israelis say, why they are moving with caution.

The Israelis say Hezbollah’s fighters number from 2,000 to 4,000, a small army that is aided by a larger circle of part-timers who provide logistics and storage of weapons in houses and civilian buildings.

Hezbollah operates like a revolutionary force within a civilian sea, making it hard to fight without occupying or bombing civilian areas. On orders, some fighters emerge to retrieve launchers, fire missiles and then melt away. Still, the numbers are small compared with the Israeli Army and are roughly the size of one Syrian division.

The Iranian Revolutionary Guards have helped teach Hezbollah how to organize itself like an army, with special units for intelligence, antitank warfare, explosives, engineering, communications and rocket launching.

They have also taught Hezbollah how to aim rockets, make shaped “improvised explosive devices” — used to such devastating results against American armor in Iraq — and, the Israelis say, even how to fire the C-802, a ground-to-ship missile that Israel never knew Hezbollah possessed.

Iranian Air Force officers have made repeated trips to Lebanon to train Hezbollah to aim and fire Iranian medium-range missiles, like the Fajr-3 and Fajr-5, according to intelligence officials in Washington. The Americans say they believe that a small number of Iranian operatives remain in Beirut, but say there is no evidence that they are directing Hezbollah’s attacks.

But Iran, so far, has not allowed Hezbollah to fire one of the Zelzal missiles, the Israelis say.

The former Syrian president, Hafez al-Assad, was careful to restrict supplies to Hezbollah, but his son, Bashar, who took over in 2000 — the year Israel pulled out of Lebanon — has opened its warehouses.

Syria has given Hezbollah 220-millimeter and 302-millimeter missiles, both equipped with large, anti-personnel warheads. Syria has also given Hezbollah its most sophisticated antitank weapons, sold to the Syrian Army by Russia.

Those, General Kuperwasser said, include the Russian Metis and RPG-29. The RPG-29 has both an antitank round to better penetrate armor and an anti-personnel round. The Metis is more modern yet, wire-guided with a longer range and a higher speed, and can fire up to four rounds a minute.

Some Israelis say they believe that Syria has provided Hezbollah with the Russian-made Kornet, laser-guided, with a range of about three miles, which Hezbollah may be holding back, waiting for Israel to move farther into southern Lebanon and extend its supply lines.

Despite Israeli complaints to Moscow, “Russia just decided to close its eyes,” a senior Israeli official said.

In its early years, Hezbollah specialized in suicide bombings and kidnappings. The United States blames it for the suicide attacks on the American Embassy in Beirut and a Marine barracks in 1983. The group became popular in the Shiite south and set up its mini-state there, as well as reserving to itself a section of southern Beirut, known as Security Square.

Until 2003, Timur Goksel was the senior political adviser to Unifil, the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon, which monitors the border. He says he knows Hezbollah well and speaks with admiration of its commitment and organization.

After fighting the Israelis for 18 years, “they’re not afraid of the Israeli Army anymore,” he said in a telephone interview from Beirut. Hezbollah’s ability to harass the Israelis and study their flaws, like a tendency for regular patrols and for troop convoys on the eve of the Sabbath, gave Hezbollah confidence that the Israeli Army “is a normal human army, with normal vulnerabilities and follies,” he added.

Now, however, “Hezbollah has much better weapons than before,” he said.

Mr. Goksel describes Hezbollah much as the Israelis do: careful, patient, attuned to gathering intelligence, scholars of guerrilla warfare from the American Revolution to Mao and the Vietcong, and respectful of Israeli firepower and mobility.

“Hezbollah has studied asymmetrical warfare, and they have the advantage of fighting in their own landscape, among their people, where they’ve prepared for just what the Israelis are doing — entering behind armor on the ground,” Mr. Goksel said.

“They have staff work and they do long-term planning, something the Palestinians never do,” he said. “They watch for two months to note every detail of their enemy. They review their operations — what they did wrong, how the enemy responded. And they have flexible tactics, without a large hierarchical command structure.”

That makes them very different from the Soviet-trained Arab armies the Israelis defeated in 1967 and 1973, which had a command structure that was too regimented.

In 1992, when Sheik Hassan Nasrallah took over, he organized Hezbollah into three regional commands with military autonomy. Beirut and the Hezbollah council made policy, but did not try to run the war. Sheik Nasrallah — said to have been advised by the secretive Imad Mugniyeh, a trained engineer wanted by the United States on terrorism charges — thereby improved Hezbollah’s security and limited its communications.

It set up separate and largely autonomous units that live among civilians, with local reserve forces to provide support, supplies and logistics. Hezbollah commanders travel in old cars without bodyguards or escorts and wear no visible insignia, Mr. Goksel said, to keep their identities hidden.

Hezbollah began by setting up roadside bombs detonated by cables, which the Israelis learned to defeat with wire-cutting attachments to their vehicles. Then Hezbollah used radio detonators, which the Israelis also defeated, and then cellphone detonators, and then a double system of cellphones, and then a photocell detonator — like the beam that opens an automatic door. Now, Mr. Goksel said, Hezbollah is working with pressure detonators dug into the roads, even as the Israelis weld metal plates to the bottom of their tanks.

Hezbollah, Mr. Goksel says, has clear tactics, trying to draw Israeli ground troops farther into Lebanon. “They can’t take the Israelis in open battle,” he said, “so they want to draw them in to well-prepared battlefields,” like Aita al Shaab, where there has been fierce fighting.

He added: “They know the Israelis depend too much on armor, which is a prime target for them. And they want Israeli supply lines to lengthen, so they’re easier to hit.”

Israeli tanks have been struck by huge roadside bombs planted in expectation that Israeli armor would roll across the border, said one tank lieutenant, who in keeping with military policy would only give his first name, Ohad.

At least two soldiers from his unit have been wounded by snipers who are accurate at 600 yards. The Hezbollah fighters “are not just farmers who have been given weapons to fire,” he said. “They are persistent and well trained.”

Another tank company commander, a captain who gave his name as Edan, said that about 20 percent of the missiles that have hit Israeli tanks penetrated the Merkava armor or otherwise caused causalities.

Col. Mordechai Kahane, the commander of the Golani brigade’s Egoz unit, first set up to fight Hezbollah, told the Israeli newspaper Yediot Aharonot of one of the worst early days, when his unit went into Marun al Ras in daylight, and lost a senior officer and a number of men.

“Hezbollah put us to sleep” building up its fortifications, he said. “There’s no certainty that we knew that we were going to encounter what it is that we ultimately encountered. We said, ‘There is going to be a bunker here, a cave there,’ but the thoroughness surprised us all. A Hezbollah weapons storeroom is not just a natural cave. It’s a pit with concrete, ladders, emergency openings, escape routes. We didn’t know it was that well organized.”

General Kuperwasser, too, respects Hezbollah’s ability “to well prepare the battlefield,” but says, “We’re making progress and killing a lot of them, and more of them are giving up in battle now and becoming prisoners, which is a very important sign.”

Steven Erlanger reported from Jerusalem for this article, and Richard A. Oppel Jr. from Zarit, Israel. Mark Mazzetti contributed reporting from Washington.




11 years old story. :yawn:
 
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Israel has territorial ambitions over Arab lands. Its Achilles heel is the Zionist plans of expansion. If it captures Lebanon and Jordan, it can be drawn into a long term guerrilla fight especially in the Lebanese mountains and deserts or the Sinai. All the Arab countries and Iran will finance such guerrilla movements comprising Hezbollah, Sunni and Wahabi groups. If such a war continues for 10 years, Israel will loose its strength, will to fight, finances, American support and media favor. At that time the neighboring Arab states can easily attack and destroy Israel.

The same thing happened to USSR in Afghanistan and now to USA. Why do you think Russia annexed Crimea? the answer is simple. US is now not in a position to do anything about it. It is weakened thanks to Afghanistan.

The continuous insurgency will cause the recent European citizens of Israel to loose hope and go back to Europe.

The strategy has to be coupled with public pressure on multinationals and banks not to support Israel. In addition to that, a media campaign should be launched in US and UK to turn the public opinion against Israel and make it loose its financial and military support.

PART 2

Promised Lands

The previous part was the stick and now the Carrot

And [mention] when your Lord declared that He would surely [continue to] send upon them until the Day of Resurrection those who would afflict them with the worst torment. Indeed, your Lord is swift in penalty; but indeed, He is Forgiving and Merciful. (7:167)

And We divided them throughout the earth into nations. Of them some were righteous, and of them some were otherwise. And We tested them with good [times] and bad that perhaps they would return [to obedience]. (7:168)


The second part of the strategy calls for scattering the Jews to the four winds, just like the previous times, as its is promised to them by God as a punishment for they transgressions against His law and killing of Prophets as well as their wicked role and conspiracy against Jesus Christ.

A movement should be started calling for for new homelands for the jews and criticizing the present homeland as not being the Biblical Promised Land.

1- Polish Homeland
As most of them have come from Europe, so there should be a call for returning to the luxuries of Europe, the law and order and opportunity of business within the whole of Europe.

2- Congo Homeland
As there is a continuous problem in that country, lots of natural resources and Diamonds, so it would be an inducement for the jews that they can quickly form their own govt in an area of this country.

3- Amazon Homeland
At the time of formation of Israel, there was a call for establishing the Homeland in South America. There are thousands of miles of unclaimed lands in the Amazon region with weak governments and the Jews will not find much trouble in making their settlements.

4- Russian Homeland
Most jews came from Russia and there is a Jewish Province in Russia so they should return there. Russia is growing economically so it would be a good place for the Jews to go to.

Semite - Non-semite Issue
At the same time the non-jewish roots of the Zionists should be brought to light and the fact the legally only semites can be Jews and that the europeans are not jews and they have taken over govt from the peaceful semite jews who had been living peacefully for centuries.

Orthodox jews
Many orthodox jewish sects are against the Zionist state of Israel and can be seen protesting against Israel's policies. They should be called upon to ask for the Zionists to leave the country and leave them in peace with the Arabs.
 
PART 2

Promised Lands

The previous part was the stick and now the Carrot

And [mention] when your Lord declared that He would surely [continue to] send upon them until the Day of Resurrection those who would afflict them with the worst torment. Indeed, your Lord is swift in penalty; but indeed, He is Forgiving and Merciful. (7:167)
And We divided them throughout the earth into nations. Of them some were righteous, and of them some were otherwise. And We tested them with good [times] and bad that perhaps they would return [to obedience]. (7:168)


The second part of the strategy calls for scattering the Jews to the four winds, just like the previous times, as its is promised to them by God as a punishment for they transgressions against His law and killing of Prophets as well as their wicked role and conspiracy against Jesus Christ.

A movement should be started calling for for new homelands for the jews and criticizing the present homeland as not being the Biblical Promised Land.

1- Polish Homeland
As most of them have come from Europe, so there should be a call for returning to the luxuries of Europe, the law and order and opportunity of business within the whole of Europe.

2- Congo Homeland
As there is a continuous problem in that country, lots of natural resources and Diamonds, so it would be an inducement for the jews that they can quickly form their own govt in an area of this country.

3- Amazon Homeland
At the time of formation of Israel, there was a call for establishing the Homeland in South America. There are thousands of miles of unclaimed lands in the Amazon region with weak governments and the Jews will not find much trouble in making their settlements.

4- Russian Homeland
Most jews came from Russia and there is a Jewish Province in Russia so they should return there. Russia is growing economically so it would be a good place for the Jews to go to.

Semite - Non-semite Issue
At the same time the non-jewish roots of the Zionists should be brought to light and the fact the legally only semites can be Jews and that the europeans are not jews and they have taken over govt from the peaceful semite jews who had been living peacefully for centuries.

Orthodox jews
Many orthodox jewish sects are against the Zionist state of Israel and can be seen protesting against Israel's policies. They should be called upon to ask for the Zionists to leave the country and leave them in peace with the Arabs.

PART 3

Promised Land - Communes

Another option would be to create Village communes for the Jews by their buying agricultural land in various European countries and making Communal Villages for themselves and settling Jews from Israel into these villages. When the Russian Jews came to Israel they established these farm with joint ownership based on the communist theory.
 
PART 3

Promised Land - Communes

Another option would be to create Village communes for the Jews by their buying agricultural land in various European countries and making Communal Villages for themselves and settling Jews from Israel into these villages. When the Russian Jews came to Israel they established these farm with joint ownership based on the communist theory.
Part 4
Chomsky Theory


Noam Chomsky in one of his recent lectures has said the 80 percent of Israeli Jews are Khazars or Ashk e Nazim from Russia and are Arians which has been proved through DNA testing. He says that the 80 % jews are not of the Judaic race but of the Judaic religion. He says that now the Promised Land is Newyork and the jews should shift to America.

 
We have 65 years of insurgency and still fine.

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We had several armies invasion on several fronts, insurgency, suicide bombers, rockets. We getting stronger day by day our enemies weaker.
The winner belong to the stronger.

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Well all Arab armies should unite ,get better training by getting russian support.Russian involvement will keep USA away from that region .So Russians should be lured with oil interests in the middle east.After beating israel from all fronts will make it economically weaker and later the overwhelming Arab armies strength will be enough to finish Israel once and for all.We are not united and that,s why Israel exist.
 
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Israel has territorial ambitions over Arab lands. Its Achilles heel is the Zionist plans of expansion. If it captures Lebanon and Jordan, it can be drawn into a long term guerrilla fight especially in the Lebanese mountains and deserts or the Sinai. All the Arab countries and Iran will finance such guerrilla movements comprising Hezbollah, Sunni and Wahabi groups. If such a war continues for 10 years, Israel will loose its strength, will to fight, finances, American support and media favor. At that time the neighboring Arab states can easily attack and destroy Israel.

The same thing happened to USSR in Afghanistan and now to USA. Why do you think Russia annexed Crimea? the answer is simple. US is now not in a position to do anything about it. It is weakened thanks to Afghanistan.

The continuous insurgency will cause the recent European citizens of Israel to loose hope and go back to Europe.

The strategy has to be coupled with public pressure on multinationals and banks not to support Israel. In addition to that, a media campaign should be launched in US and UK to turn the public opinion against Israel and make it loose its financial and military support.

throw a penny !
 

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