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Niaz, going by this logic, the Jews can also say, they were in this place, much before the Muslims. Hence, its their's. The way forward, will be to accept as is and proceed. This nonsense of not recognising a nuclear armed State has been more detrimental than any help to anybody.

According to the Old Testament, Joshua took this land away from Canaanites. Saul and David took the and from the Philistines, before that Jews were bonded slaves of the Egyptian Pharaohs. Thus the region was never originally Jewish.

States of Israel & Judea had disappeared centuries before the Muslim conquest. The area comprising of modern day Syria, Jordan, Lebanon & Israel was a province of the Byzantine Empire until captured by the Muslim Arab army around 640 AD led by Khalid bin Walid (RA) during reign of the 2nd Caliph Hazrat Umar (RA). There was some Jewish population but most were Arab Christian tribes most notable being the Ghassanids.

During the Omayyad Caliphate majority of the population of the region was Christian. Except for a period of about 150 years of Crusader states; there has been 1000 years of Muslim rule by the Abbasids, Suljuqis, Kurds, Mamlukes and the Ottomans. Until the outbreak of the WW1, there was a sprinkling of Jewish population, but the region was predominantly populated the Muslim & Christian Arabs.

Jewish Diaspora started 2000 years ago, long before the advent of Islam. On the other hand idea of Zionism emerged in the late 19th century in the central and eastern Europe. Political movement was formally established by Theodor Herzl in 1897 following the publication of his book ' Der Judenstaat' (The Jewish State).

I am not anti-Jewish but anti –Zionist. We have to draw a line somewhere. I am using WW1 as the reference point. I maintain that Jews have no legal claim to Palestine and that this is not Muslim versus Jews but Zionists versus the Arabs.

In my opinion, it is okay to acquire real estate as long as the owner is willing to sell it to you without coercion. What Israel state is doing is State Terrorism. They have forcibly evicted indigenous population from their homes and farmland and handed it over the Jewish settlers from all over the world. This is gross injustice.

Arab revolt of 1916-1918 and the Anglo – Arab Army that captured Syria from the Ottoman Turks comprised primarily of Arab Bedouins from Hejaz and Arabia proper. Palestinian Arabs had no part the in Holocaust either. Pray tell me why it is that Palestinian Arabs are the victims of the Israeli wrath?

I do agree that it is irrational not to recognize the State of Israel with the borders as of 1948. This is because the United Nations representing the world community had accepted it.
 
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My countrymen always prefer to live in dreamland. State of Israel is no doubt artificial and created unjustly by the French & English, main colonial powers of 19th & 20th century, but real culpability lies with Arabs themselves.

In order to understand the current situation, one must look at how this all could happen.

British occupation of Egypt started around 1880. Evelyn Baring (Earl of Cromer) came to Egypt as British commissioner in the Court of the Khedive (Hereditary Turkish governor, but in all but name King) in 1877. It was the time when Khedive Ismail Pasha has plunged Egypt into near bankruptcy and a committee was set up by the European Creditors to safeguard their interests. Ismael was deposed and his son Tawfiq made Khedive.

After a brief interlude in India Cromer returned as British Counsel general and became controller of Egyptian Finances until 1887. His conclusion was that Egyptians were in capable of managing their finances and the answer was annexation. He did this job well and by the 1907 when he left Egypt was well on its way to recovery and Cairo was turning into a modern & prosperous city. Khedive was still there but British were controlling Egypt by the time of WW1 when Egypt was used as the base for fighting the Turks. Hence it was gross incompetence by the Egyptians which allowed English to occupy Egypt without firing a single shot.

Muslims Arabs from Hejaz (Hashemites) and Wahhabis of Nejd fought for the British to liberate Bilad-ash- Sham from the Turks. State of Israel is direct result of the break-up of the Ottoman Empire. Therefore if the Arabs had not aided the British to defeat the Turks, we would have no such thing as the country of Israel. Hence it’s the Arabs who are partly responsible for the suffering of the Arabs of the region.

Anyone can google 1948 borders of Israel. It was a small innocuous state and would have remained so had Nasser of Egypt not started 1967 war. Israel more than tripled its size in the 7 day war by seizing Golan Heights, West Bank & Gaza and the Sinai as the result. Egypt managed to get back most of what she lost but Syrians & the Palestinians are still suffering.

I am anti-Zionist and believe that Israel has no right to forcibly evict Palestinians from their homeland. But as a student of history, I am a realist and know what can and cannot be done.

In my humble opinion, only way forward is for Palestinians to accept Israeli border of 1948 and then try the diplomatic means to get full independence for the West Bank and Gaza. Yasser Arafat had come to the same conclusion when he signed the Oslo Peace accord in 1993. Even this road is going to be very difficult, but by accepting Israeli right to exist as a State will go a long way towards permanent peace.

People can wish all they want and hope for Israel to disappear but it is not going to happen at least in my lifetime. However some of my country men like the fantasy world. Remember Jamaat Islami leaders boasted to plant Pakistan flag on the Red fort!

I may not be as knowledgeable as you are but I think that you are overlooking some historical facts.

First of all, even before Arabs, Theodore Herzl had proposed the migration of Jews into Holyland in anticipation of a Zionist state - that is before the 20th century. So, mass mobilisation of jews and zionists was already in place when the Arabs went to conquer Syria and Transjordan. At approximately the same time, Balfour declaration was presented.

The other most important fact is that the terrorist militias of Irgun and Haganah, which later constituted the Israeli Armed Forces, carried out massacres and ethnic cleansings in Palestine in 1948 to drive the Palestinians out. Out of a total population of 1.3 Million, about 700,000 to 1 Million were sent into exile in surrounding countries. My point here is that in order to achieve a democratic Israel, fascist tactics were employed to tip the balance of demographics in the favour of Jews. At the start of 20th century, jews consisted only 6% of total population of Palestine. Arabs before that were irritated but did not committed mass atrocities as the Jews.

Right from it's start Israel was committing state terrorism. It kept it alive in the form of 'border wars' of 1950 and 1960.

Also, other than the 4th (1973) and 6th (2006) Arab-Israeli wars, all other wars were started by Israel not by the Arabs, that includes the 1967 and before that – in connivance with UK and France – 1956 war.

If you indicate the activities of Palestinian terror groups, then, I also want to point out that, in most cases, terrorism is the weapon of the weak. You should also remember the state terrorism of Israel.

Final thing is the expansionist ambitions of the Israel which does not want any state around it to be at peace with it – exception is Egypt which gave Israel a severe blow in 1973 war. The single reason for such war-like conditions is the dream of a greater Israel. Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 with implicit intentions to annex South Lebanon, drive away the Muslim populations to neighbouring countries and achieve a 'Minority Alliance' with the Maronites, thus, converting it into a truncated Christian Lebanon.

To cut the long story short, even if the neighbours look for peace with Israel, Israel won't like to have that; after all without war how will it ever be able to conquer their territories and convert them to Greater Israel.

I did and you are.

Please explain where?
 
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According to the Old Testament, Joshua took this land away from Canaanites. Saul and David took the and from the Philistines, before that Jews were bonded slaves of the Egyptian Pharaohs. Thus the region was never originally Jewish.

States of Israel & Judea had disappeared centuries before the Muslim conquest. The area comprising of modern day Syria, Jordan, Lebanon & Israel was a province of the Byzantine Empire until captured by the Muslim Arab army around 640 AD led by Khalid bin Walid (RA) during reign of the 2nd Caliph Hazrat Umar (RA). There was some Jewish population but most were Arab Christian tribes most notable being the Ghassanids.

During the Omayyad Caliphate majority of the population of the region was Christian. Except for a period of about 150 years of Crusader states; there has been 1000 years of Muslim rule by the Abbasids, Suljuqis, Kurds, Mamlukes and the Ottomans. Until the outbreak of the WW1, there was a sprinkling of Jewish population, but the region was predominantly populated the Muslim & Christian Arabs.

Jewish Diaspora started 2000 years ago, long before the advent of Islam. On the other hand idea of Zionism emerged in the late 19th century in the central and eastern Europe. Political movement was formally established by Theodor Herzl in 1897 following the publication of his book ' Der Judenstaat' (The Jewish State).

I am not anti-Jewish but anti –Zionist. We have to draw a line somewhere. I am using WW1 as the reference point. I maintain that Jews have no legal claim to Palestine and that this is not Muslim versus Jews but Zionists versus the Arabs.

In my opinion, it is okay to acquire real estate as long as the owner is willing to sell it to you without coercion. What Israel state is doing is State Terrorism. They have forcibly evicted indigenous population from their homes and farmland and handed it over the Jewish settlers from all over the world. This is gross injustice.

Arab revolt of 1916-1918 and the Anglo – Arab Army that captured Syria from the Ottoman Turks comprised primarily of Arab Bedouins from Hejaz and Arabia proper. Palestinian Arabs had no part the in Holocaust either. Pray tell me why it is that Palestinian Arabs are the victims of the Israeli wrath?

I do agree that it is irrational not to recognize the State of Israel with the borders as of 1948. This is because the United Nations representing the world community had accepted it.

Niaz, I am not debating on the purpose of the settlers who are currently being used by Israel.

As for the debate on the land, my point being, at some point of time it was resided by some empire and in other terms resided by other people. The concept of ownership can be on the empire or residence.

But, the current problem will end only if there is recognition of the country. Also, going to back to 1948 seems not plausible. In the aftermath of the Arab war, this seems even more difficult.
 
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Israel has territorial ambitions over Arab lands. Its Achilles heel is the Zionist plans of expansion. If it captures Lebanon and Jordan, it can be drawn into a long term guerrilla fight especially in the Lebanese mountains and deserts or the Sinai. All the Arab countries and Iran will finance such guerrilla movements comprising Hezbollah, Sunni and Wahabi groups. If such a war continues for 10 years, Israel will loose its strength, will to fight, finances, American support and media favor. At that time the neighboring Arab states can easily attack and destroy Israel.

The same thing happened to USSR in Afghanistan and now to USA. Why do you think Russia annexed Crimea? the answer is simple. US is now not in a position to do anything about it. It is weakened thanks to Afghanistan.

The continuous insurgency will cause the recent European citizens of Israel to loose hope and go back to Europe.

The strategy has to be coupled with public pressure on multinationals and banks not to support Israel. In addition to that, a media campaign should be launched in US and UK to turn the public opinion against Israel and make it loose its financial and military support.

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Israel has territorial ambitions over Arab lands. Its Achilles heel is the Zionist plans of expansion. If it captures Lebanon and Jordan, it can be drawn into a long term guerrilla fight especially in the Lebanese mountains and deserts or the Sinai. All the Arab countries and Iran will finance such guerrilla movements comprising Hezbollah, Sunni and Wahabi groups. If such a war continues for 10 years, Israel will loose its strength, will to fight, finances, American support and media favor. At that time the neighboring Arab states can easily attack and destroy Israel.

The same thing happened to USSR in Afghanistan and now to USA. Why do you think Russia annexed Crimea? the answer is simple. US is now not in a position to do anything about it. It is weakened thanks to Afghanistan.

The continuous insurgency will cause the recent European citizens of Israel to loose hope and go back to Europe.

The strategy has to be coupled with public pressure on multinationals and banks not to support Israel. In addition to that, a media campaign should be launched in US and UK to turn the public opinion against Israel and make it loose its financial and military support.

if you can think this much,israeli think tanks ll be atleast 2 moves ahead of you.
 
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OP please stop dreaming accept reality now israel is here to stay

Yes, the zionazi state is here to stay as a pariah state. The zionazi lovers can dance and sing as much as they want but the zionazi state will remain a pariah state as long as it exists.
 
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I,why can't Jews do the same ?for a change become human and leave the country they have occupied illegally for so long?.

You do know that creation of Israel was accepted by a UN general assembly vote in 1947, right?
 
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See this is why Israel is alive.... people like him wants to destroy Israel but whatever steps you punks think should be done to Destroy Israel will be happening in their own land... Take for example Syria, Iraq.... I'm Glad Egypt and Jordan learned their lessons not to mess..
 
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You do know that creation of Israel was accepted by a UN general assembly vote in 1947, right?

Are you saying that it is UN's business to legitimize theft? UN is only a little better than League of Nations. We all know what these were about.

Niaz, I am not debating on the purpose of the settlers who are currently being used by Israel.

As for the debate on the land, my point being, at some point of time it was resided by some empire and in other terms resided by other people. The concept of ownership can be on the empire or residence.

But, the current problem will end only if there is recognition of the country. Also, going to back to 1948 seems not plausible. In the aftermath of the Arab war, this seems even more difficult.

The original point that you made was that somehow this land belonged to forefathers of the returning Jews. Not only is this a questionable claim, but it also ignores that fact that many among Palestinians are the people who converted from Judaism to Christianity and Islam. That they speak a different language now should not make others discriminate against them.

You are perhaps trying to find parallels between Hindu and Jewish experience. I dare say you are expecting too much.

india is with isarel in every aspect of matter

Including indiscriminate killings?
 
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Are you saying that it is UN's business to legitimize theft? UN is only a little better than League of Nations. We all know what these were about.

In which case, maybe it's time to stop talking about UN resolutions or anything else. I stated a fact. You could disagree with it. India did & voted against the resolution. It passed anyways.
 
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Idiots said the same thing about the crusader state

Some muslim traitors ever worked with , for and traded with the crusaders, some traitors EVEN fought with the crusaders against muslims

The crusader occupation of Jerusalem lasted over 100 years there was slaughter and oppression the likes of which you have never seen

60 years into the occupation by the crusaders people with no faith and morals could sit down and say THE CRUSADER STATE IS A REALITY LETS ACCEPT IT AND GIVE UP

but we are not hindus we have courage and will and don't give up

long story short we bought over 100 years of occupation CRASHING DOWN





Today

after 60 years people are saying lets give up, lets stop harassing israel and have peace


**** that!!!!!!!!



hindus wouldn't understand this because they are kind of born gutless (no offence)


But israel indeed has a lot of powerful backers but they are surrounded on all sides and the muslim population is growing in israel, growing in Gaza and growing in West Bank

the sub total of muslims/ arabs v Jews is around 50/50 but in a short period of one we will out number them in the land they covet



Resistance isn't about winning the war, its about continually harassing the enemy and giving them an abnormal existence without peace, punishing them for their crimes


Regardless of the pain the jews inflict upon the muslims, we are on the verge of out breeding them on their own land

Our 1.7 billion muslim population must harasss the jews internationally

Refuse to accept any agreement

Soak up any pain

And continuously increase our population and heap pressure on the jews and israel



This is a battle of fucking will, and the jews made a mistake taking on a people with so much will that we will spite ourselves inorder to continue to harass our enemy


we are not hindus that we will just give up, be broken and move on


It is only 60 years keep the population growing and harass the jews continuously and everywhere for their occupation

and regardless of the pain keep going



MUSLIMS GOT RID OF THE CRUSADER STATE, WE WILL GET RID OF THE JEW STATE ALSO


 
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^^^^In the age of science and tech this guy still seems to be stuck in the middle ages, "outbreed them :lol: what an innovative solution
 
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^^^^In the age of science and tech this guy still seems to be stuck in the middle ages, "outbreed them :lol: what an innovative solution

If the muslim population exceeds the jew population which it is very close to doing then the jews covet a land in which they are a minority

whats so hard to understand
 
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If the muslim population exceeds the jew population which it is very close to doing then the jews covet a land in which they are a minority

whats so hard to understand
Good luck with that "innovative" approach
 
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