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WASHINGTON — President
Barack Obama will meet with
the Dalai Lama at the White
House on Saturday. It will be a low-key meeting
with the Tibetan spiritual
leader, who is in Washington
for an 11-day Buddhist ritual. When the president met with
the Nobel Peace laureate in
February 2010, it angered
China. The two will meet in the Map
Room, not the Oval Office,
which is reserved for visiting
heads of state, and the
meeting will be closed to
reporters. A White House official says
Obama would like
representatives of the Dalai
Lama to be allowed to meet
with Chinese authorities to
resolve their differences. China has accused the Dalai Lama of
pushing for Tibetan
independence and is calling on
Obama to cancel Saturday’s
meeting. Copyright 2011 The Associated
Press. All rights reserved. This
material may not be
published, broadcast,
rewritten or redistributed.
 
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Again Dalai Lama beat the Sh!t out of Han Nationalism!


Or the US did

I think it's a mistake to be so public with concerns about the Dalai Lama meeting anyone - it only brings more attention --- On the other hand it seems China refuse to realize that the US are committed to the diminution of Chinese power, even the perception of that power.
 
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Or the US did

I think it's a mistake to be so public with concerns about the Dalai Lama meeting anyone - it only brings more attention --- On the other hand it seems China refuse to realize that the US are committed to the diminution of Chinese power, even the perception of that power.

I used to think that way as well, I thought the Chinese government was too sensitive about these matter, until recently I had a chance talking with someone from Chinese foreign minister which gave me a glimpse to their rationale.

In international politics even if just once you keep quite about certain event such as this one or something like fishing boat violating disputed area then this incident can be used forever in the future as a precedent for accepting the practice thats why they always have to protest. However in reality the protest was not as high profile as what the US media would like you to believe, it was just a statement issued by a spokes person from the ministry (not even an equivalent to a white house spokes person who issue such statement almost on a daily basis).

So its basically just a norm, US will continue meeting Dalai and China will continue her protest nothing will change in the the near future unless of course if Hu JinTao all of sudden start to meet with the leader of Taliban then we will see who is protesting.
 
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I used to think that way as well, I thought the Chinese government was too sensitive about these matter, until recently I had a chance talking with someone from Chinese foreign minister which gave me a glimpse to their rationale.

In international politics even if just once you keep quite about certain event such as this one or something like fishing boat violating disputed area then this incident can be used forever in the future as a precedent for accepting the practice thats why they always have to protest. However in reality the protest was not as high profile as what the US media would like you to believe, it was just a statement issued by a spokes person from the ministry (not even an equivalent to a white house spokes person who issue such statement almost on a daily basis).

So its basically just a norm, US will continue meeting Dalai and China will continue her protest nothing will change in the the near future unless of course if Hu JinTao all of sudden start to meet with the leader of Taliban then we will see who is protesting.

exactly the usa is playing right in to the china hand ,this is what we want, the dl the taiwan issue all can be used as bargainning chips to distract or negotiate for issues regard to our economy growth.
 
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Again Dalai Lama beat the Sh!t out of the Hans!

OMG, Dalai Lama one man is more powerful than the entire hindi, because the entire hindi was beaten by PLA and their armies just played "YOGA" => like this "ORZ" one in front of PLA. Pity country......
 
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When Chinese were given a Bloody Nose
By Maj Gen Sheru Thapliyal

After the debacle of 1962, nothing could have enhanced the self esteem of India Army than the mauling that was given to the Chinese at Nathu La in Sikkim on 11th September 1967 and at Chola on 1st October 1967. It must have come as a ride shock to the Chinese Army and also its political leadership. And by a happy coincidence, the Army leadership which got the better of this eyeball to eyeball confrontation was the same that went on to create Bangladesh in 1971. Maj. Gen Sagat Singh was GOC 17 Mountain Division in Sikkim, Lt Gen Jagjit Aurora was GOC 33 Crops and Sam Manekshaw was the Eastern Army Commander.

It was on 21st July 1967, that I reported to my Unit, which was a mule pack artillery regiment in Sikkim after finishing my young officers course. Those days young officers were made to have their professional mailing by sending them on long range patrols for area familiarization, take part in Khad race to increase their stamina and sending them to remote observations ports on Sikkim – Tibet border for a month.

Having done my share of long range patrols (LPR) and having taken part in Khar race. I was to send to main Sabu La observation post on Sikkim – Tibet Border. This observation post about a kilometer south west of Nathu La. It dominates Nathu La by virtue of taking on higher ground and commands an excellent view of the pass is also to the Chinese defense on the feature known as North shoulder. We were two OPS as Sabu La and had good old radio set 62 and PRC-10 and of course line communications to the guns deployed in the rear.

Nathu La at 14200 feet is an important pass on Tiber – Sikkim border through which passes the old Gangtok – Yatung – Lhasa Trade Route. Although Sikkim – Tiber boundary is well defined by the Anglo – Chinese convention of 17 March 1890, Chinese did not like Sikkim being a protectorate of India at that time and Indian Army being deployed there. During 1965 War between India & Pakistan, the Chinese, in order to pressurise India, gave an ultimatum to India to vacate both Nathu La and Jelep La passes on Sikkim – Tibet border. For some strange reason, 27 Mountain Division, under whose jurisdiction Jelep La was at that time, vacate the Pass which remains under Chinese possession till date.

However, Lt. Gen Sagat Singh, true to form, refused to vacate Nathu La. Incidentally it is at Nathu La where Chinese and India forces are deployed barely thirty yards apart, closest any where on the 4000 km Sino – Indian Border and the border remains undemacrated. Chinese hold the Northern shoulder of the pass while Indian Army holds the Southern shoulder. Two dominating features South and North of Nathu La namely Sebu La and Camel’s back were held by the Indians. Artillery observation post officers deployed on these two features have an excellent observation into Chinese depth areas whereas from Northern shoulder, Chinese have very little observations into Indian depth areas.

This factor proved crucial in the clash that ensued. At the time of the clash, 2 GRENADIERS was holding Nathu La. This battalion was being commander by Lt. Col (Later Brigadier) Rai Singh. The battalion was under command of 112 Mountain Brigade being commanded by Brig MMS Bakshi, MVC part of 17 Mountain Division.

The daily routine at Nathu La used to start with patrolling by both the sides along the perceived border which almost always resulted in arguments. The only one on the Chinese side who could converse in broken English was the Political Commissar who could be recognized by a red patch on his cap. Sentries of both the forces used to stand barely one meter apart in the centre of the Pass which is marked by Nehru Stone, commemorating Pandit Nehru’s trek to Bhutan through Nathu La and Chumbi Valley in 1959.

Argument between the two sides soon changed to pushing and shoving and on 06 September 1967 a scuffle took place in which Political Commissar fell down and broke his spectacles. These incidents only added to the excitement, I developed excellent rapport with Capt. Dagar of 2 GRANEDIERS and a few days before the slash we had gone to Gangtok together on “liberty” to see a movie. Little did I know that within a week, Dagar would be a martyr.

In order to de-escalate the situation it was decided by the Indian military hierarchy to lay a wire in the centre of the Pass from Nathu La to Sebu La to demarcate the perceived border. This task was to be carried out by the Jawans of 70 Field Company of Engineers assisted by a company of 18 Rajpur deployed at Yak La Pass further of North of Nathu La. The wire laying was to commence at first light on the fateful morning of 11 September 1967.

The morning of 11 September 1967dawned with bright sun shine unlike the normal foggy days. 70 fields Company Engineers assisted by Jawans of the company of 18 RAJPUT started erecting long iron pickets from Nathu La to Sebu La along the perceived border while 2 GRENADIERS and Artillery Observation Post Officers at Sebu La and Camel’s back were on alert. Immediately the Chinese Political Commissar, with a section of infantry came to the centre of the Pass where Lt. Col. Rai Singh CO 2 GRENADIERS was standing with his commando platoon. The Commissar asked Lt. Col Rai Singh to stop laying the wire. Orders to Indian Army were clear. They were NOT to blink. An argument started which soon built up into a scuffle. In the ensuing melee, the commissar got roughed up. Thereafter the Chinese went up back to their bunkers and engineers resumed laying the wire.

Within a few minutes of this, a whistle was heard on the Chinese side followed by murderous medium machine gun fire from North shoulder. The pass is completely devoid of cover and the Jawans of 70 Field Company and 18 RAJPUT were caught in the open and suffered heavy casualties which included Col Rai Singh who was wounded. He was awarded MVC later. Two brave officers – Capt. Dagar of 2 GRENADIERS and Major Harbhajan Singh of 18 RAJPUR rallied a few troops and tried to assault the Chinese MMG but both died a heroic death. They were posthumously awarded Veer Chakra and MVC respectively.

2 GRENADIERS opened small arms fire on North shoulder but it was not very effective. Within the first ten minutes, there were nearly seventy dead and scores wounded lying in the open on the pass. Within half an hour, Chinese artillery opened up on the pass as well as in the depth areas but it was mostly prophylactic fire due to lack of observation and failed to do much damage. Meanwhile we as artillery observation post officers asked for artillery fire, permission for which came a little later. Because of excellent domination and observation from Sebu La and Camel’s back, artillery fire was most effective and most of the Chinese bunkers on North shoulder and in depth were completely destroyed and Chinese suffered very heavy casualties which by their own estimates were over 400. The artillery dual thereafter carried on day and night for the next three days Chinese were taught a lesson.

On 14th September, Chinese threatened use of Air Force if shelling did not stop. By then the lesson had been driven home and an uneasy ceasefire came about Chinese, true to form, had pulled over dead bodies to their side of the perceived border at night and accused us of violating the border. Dead bodies were exchanged on 15th September at which time: Sam Aurora and Sagat were present on the Pass.

Every battle has its own share of heroism, faint heartedness, drama and humour. Nathu La Skirmish was no exception. 2 GRENADIERS were initially shaken up due to lass of Capt Dagar and injury to their CO but found their man of the moment in Lieutenant Atar Singh who went round from trench to trench to rally the troops and was later promoted as Captain on the spot.

On the lighter side was one artillery observation post officer my colleague at Sebu La whose radio set was damaged due to shelling and he was out of communication with his guns. He rightly decided to go back to the base at Sherathang in the depth to get another radio set. While he was on his way back, Commander Artillery Brigade was coming up. He stopped the young captain, accused him of running away from the battle and sent him back after reducing him to his substantive rank of a second lieutenant. Casualties could not be evacuated for three days and nights as any move to do so invited a hail of Chinese bullets. Some wounded may well have succumbed to cold and rain. There were awards for bravery as also court martial for cowardice. However, what stood out was the steadfastness of the commanders and bravery of the Jawans and junior officers. Indians refused to blink and the mighty Chinese dragon was made to look ordinary.

No wonder, Sino-Indian border has remained peaceful ever since to the extent that today Chinese soldiers come and ask their Indian counterparts at Nathu La for cigarettes, rum and tea, mail is exchanged twice in a week in a hut constructed specially for this purpose and Border personnel meeting takes place there twice a year. It was my privilege to command the Nathu La Brigade many years later and conduct the first border personnel meeting at Nathu La is 1995. it was done in a starting at that time but how a permanent hut has been constructed for this purpose.
Post Script

Situation again flared up twenty days later when on 01 October 1967 a face off between Indian and China took place at Cho La another pass on Sikkim – Tibet border a few kilometers North of Nathu La. Despite initial casualties, 7/11 GR and 10 JAK RIF stood firm and forced the Chinese to withdraw nearly three kilometers away to a feature named Kam Barracks where they remain deployed till date. Cho la Pass is firmly in Indian hands. Indian Army had got better of Chinese yet again.Every battle has its own share of heroism, faint heartedness, drama and humour. Nathu La Skirmish was no exception. 2 GRENADIERS were initially shaken up due to lass of Capt Dagar and injury to their CO but found their man of the moment in Lieutenant Atar Singh who went round from trench to trench to rally the troops and was later promoted as Captain on the spot.

On the lighter side was one artillery observation post officer my colleague at Sebu La whose radio set was damaged due to shelling and he was out of communication with his guns. He rightly decided to go back to the base at Sherathang in the depth to get another radio set. While he was on his way back, Commander Artillery Brigade was coming up. He stopped the young captain, accused him of running away from the battle and sent him back after reducing him to his substantive rank of a second lieutenant. Casualties could not be evacuated for three days and nights as any move to do so invited a hail of Chinese bullets. Some wounded may well have succumbed to cold and rain. There were awards for bravery as also court martial for cowardice. However, what stood out was the steadfastness of the commanders and bravery of the Jawans and junior officers. Indians refused to blink and the mighty Chinese dragon was made to look ordinary.

No wonder, Sino-Indian border has remained peaceful ever since to the extent that today Chinese soldiers come and ask their Indian counterparts at Nathu La for cigarettes, rum and tea, mail is exchanged twice in a week in a hut constructed specially for this purpose and Border personnel meeting takes place there twice a year. It was my privilege to command the Nathu La Brigade many years later and conduct the first border personnel meeting at Nathu La is 1995. it was done in a starting at that time but how a permanent hut has been constructed for this purpose.
Post Script

Situation again flared up twenty days later when on 01 October 1967 a face off between Indian and China took place at Cho La another pass on Sikkim – Tibet border a few kilometers North of Nathu La. Despite initial casualties, 7/11 GR and 10 JAK RIF stood firm and forced the Chinese to withdraw nearly three kilometers away to a feature named Kam Barracks where they remain deployed till date. Cho la Pass is firmly in Indian hands. Indian Army had got better of Chinese yet again.

When Chinese were given a Bloody Nose
 
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who cares whom US meets, we would like China to kick Obama out of China.. China will never welcome Obama at the expense of Pakistan cuz we realy hate Amreeki

:pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:
 
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OMG, Dalai Lama one man is more powerful than the entire hindi, because the entire hindi was beaten by PLA and their armies just played "YOGA" => like this "ORZ" one in front of PLA. Pity country......

keep your foul smelling mouth to yourself...... this is the power of non-violence( practiced by Gandhi)..... none of your arm is as powerful as this weapon

and you know what this weapon is given by hindi to tibetians and you can not do any thing but to watch....
 
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who cares whom US meets, we would like China to kick Obama out of China.. China will never welcome Obama at the expense of Pakistan cuz we realy hate Amreeki

:pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:

You may like many things to happen, but that does not necessarily mean that it will happen.

World leaders are guided by realplotik and not by personal opinions and views.
 
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OMG, Dalai Lama one man is more powerful than the entire hindi, because the entire hindi was beaten by PLA and their armies just played "YOGA" => like this "ORZ" one in front of PLA. Pity country......

Of course, you would not know about Nathula, Chola or Somdurong Chu.

How could you?

A country who is controlled by the Thought Police cannot be told the reality, can they?

Do read what Sheru has written.
 
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who cares whom US meets, we would like China to kick Obama out of China.. China will never welcome Obama at the expense of Pakistan cuz we realy hate Amreeki

:pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:

I can say, with 100% confidence, that if China had to choose between relations with the US or relations with Pakistan as things are today, China would choose relations with the US, period.

The people of China might not like it, or they might not care, but that is what the ccp would do if they valued their existence as the ruling government. Pakistan can't replace the US or US companies as a growth engine even in these trying economic times, and cutting relations with the US would surely have implications for its trade and relations with Japan, Australia, South Korea, and Europe..

It's simple realpolitik.
 
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We ALL Chinese like Pakistan much more!

We ALL Chinese like Pakistan much more!

We ALL Chinese like Pakistan much more!

We ALL Chinese like Pakistan much more!

We ALL Chinese like Pakistan much more!
 
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^^:lol: Point taken good sir

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OMG, Dalai Lama one man is more powerful than the entire hindi, because the entire hindi was beaten by PLA and their armies just played "YOGA" => like this "ORZ" one in front of PLA. Pity country......

Hindi is a language mate.

Fail troll.
 
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