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No Rohingyas In Arakan History: International Experts!



Yakhine history conference in Mahidol univesity, Bangkok.
There is no Rohingya ethnic in Myanmar and the term Rohingya exactly means Bengali as Myanmar named it, international experts on Rakhine history said in a seminar held in Thailand’s Mahidol University on March 9.
The seminar was held with three objectives to introduction of Rakhine history to the international community; to dismiss the name Rohingya used by international media and to complete reliable references of Rakhine history briefed by international historians, chairman Kyaw Thaung of the organizing committee said.

Dr Jacques P Leider, research scholar and historian of EFEO (French Institute of Asian Studies), Professor Stephen van Galen of Leiden University and History Professor Aye Chan of Kanda University of International Studies gave explanation on Arakan history.
Dr Jacques P Leider explained about the existence of Arakan kingdom, Bodaw Phaya’s occupation to Arakan and political, religious and economic situations.

Dr. Jacques Leider giving presentation on Rakhine history.

There had been changes in political, economic and social sectors during Myanmar that ruled Arakan from 1785 to 1825. Rakhine high-class persons were punished by sending them in exile from 1785 to 1795. Administration was jointly controlled by Myanmar and Rakhine. Increased tax was collected and forced labour was seen from 1795 to 1810. Provisions were provided for Myanmar king’s battles.
Myanmar settled in Rakhine. Rakhine were in rebellion against the rule of Myanmar’s king from 1787 to 1815 and Rakhine people headed to the south part of Bengala for settlement. Rakhine people's economic situation started to change from 1815 to 1825. Myanmar’s king did not face any threat during that period.
Similarly Professor Stephen van Galen briefed on relations between Rakhine region and Bengala from 15th century to 18th century.

Dr Stephen van Galen briefed on the apex of the Rakhine kingdom in 1635, the increasing role of trade revenues when the Rakhine kings were powerful and Dutch's trade activities in Rakhine and Bengal.


Dr. Stephen van Galen from the Leiden University.

After 1638, Rakhine's control over the southeastern Bengal waned due to a shortfall in tax revenue. And Rakhine's economy stagnated after Chittagong was lost in 1666, he added. He also cited another reason for the impact on Rakhine's economy as withdrawal of Dutch businessmen.

In his talks about 'From Rakhine cross-border settlement to ethnic violence', Dr Aye Chan explained the increased cross-border settlement from 1826 to 1975, more movements of Chittagong people, who become the majority in Maungdaw and Buthedaung townships.

He said Bengali Muslim population increased from 58,255 in 1871 to 178,647 in 1911. The Bengalis had become the great majority groups in Maungdaw and Buthedaung townships representing 94% and 84% respectively of the total populations there.

He also explained mujahidin rebels' destruction of Rakhine villages and the mujahidin party's demands.
"What I can say exactly is that those who call themselves Rohingyas are really Bengalis. This can be seen in the records of the colonial era. Rakhine State has no Rohingyas," the history professor said.
He then replied to the questions about the Rakhine history raised by those present.


Dr. Jacques P. Leider from EFEO.

Asked about the annexation of Rakhine State in the Bagan period, Dr Jet Pilder replied that there was no evidence for that.
"I never come across the term "Rohingya". But Muslims settlers arrived in Mrauk-U around 17th century. They did not name themselves as Rohingyas then. Other cultures also reached Mrauk-U in the century. The first Dutchman arrived in Mrauk-U in 1608. There were many Dutch offspring with Arakan mothers in 1640. Mrauk-U can be said as a colorful town," Professor Dr Stephen van Galen from Leiden University responded to a question about the term.
"There was never a Muslim king reigned in Rakhine State according to my study paper about the 17th Century," he also answered a question.

"I also talked about it before. A man named Mr. Abdul Gaffa from Buthedaung, Rakhine State created it in 1951. Actually he made it up from the name "Roshang" or "Rohan". It's a Bengali word meaning Rakhine people," Professor Dr. Aye Chan of Japan's Kanda University of International Studies responds to a question about when and how the term became in use.

When a Bengali activist Htay Lwin Oo asked about Rohingya and the Rakhine State, Dr. Aye Chan said the term "Rohan" does not mean illegal immigrants.

RNDP Chairman Dr. Aye Maung.

"The seminar shows clearly that there is no Rohingya in fact. Dr. Aye Chan also explained everything about "No Rohingya in Myanmar". Moreover the Rakhine conflicts will be worked out only when the government tackles it. I am unhappy to hear about the clash. I wish it ends as quickly as possible," said Ashin Tayza who is a first-year student for Buddhism Studies at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok, Thailand.
History professors, diplomats, reporters and invitees from news agencies attended the seminar which also attracted more than 150 Rakhine Buddhist monks and students studying in Thailand.

Besides, Aye Tha Aung and Dr. Aye Maung, chairmen from Arakan League for Democracy and Rakhine Nationalities Development Party also were present at the seminar.
 
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No Rohingyas In Arakan History: International Experts!



Yakhine history conference in Mahidol univesity, Bangkok.
There is no Rohingya ethnic in Myanmar and the term Rohingya exactly means Bengali as Myanmar named it, international experts on Rakhine history said in a seminar held in Thailand’s Mahidol University on March 9.
The seminar was held with three objectives to introduction of Rakhine history to the international community; to dismiss the name Rohingya used by international media and to complete reliable references of Rakhine history briefed by international historians, chairman Kyaw Thaung of the organizing committee said.

Dr Jacques P Leider, research scholar and historian of EFEO (French Institute of Asian Studies), Professor Stephen van Galen of Leiden University and History Professor Aye Chan of Kanda University of International Studies gave explanation on Arakan history.
Dr Jacques P Leider explained about the existence of Arakan kingdom, Bodaw Phaya’s occupation to Arakan and political, religious and economic situations.

Dr. Jacques Leider giving presentation on Rakhine history.

There had been changes in political, economic and social sectors during Myanmar that ruled Arakan from 1785 to 1825. Rakhine high-class persons were punished by sending them in exile from 1785 to 1795. Administration was jointly controlled by Myanmar and Rakhine. Increased tax was collected and forced labour was seen from 1795 to 1810. Provisions were provided for Myanmar king’s battles.
Myanmar settled in Rakhine. Rakhine were in rebellion against the rule of Myanmar’s king from 1787 to 1815 and Rakhine people headed to the south part of Bengala for settlement. Rakhine people's economic situation started to change from 1815 to 1825. Myanmar’s king did not face any threat during that period.
Similarly Professor Stephen van Galen briefed on relations between Rakhine region and Bengala from 15th century to 18th century.

Dr Stephen van Galen briefed on the apex of the Rakhine kingdom in 1635, the increasing role of trade revenues when the Rakhine kings were powerful and Dutch's trade activities in Rakhine and Bengal.


Dr. Stephen van Galen from the Leiden University.

After 1638, Rakhine's control over the southeastern Bengal waned due to a shortfall in tax revenue. And Rakhine's economy stagnated after Chittagong was lost in 1666, he added. He also cited another reason for the impact on Rakhine's economy as withdrawal of Dutch businessmen.

In his talks about 'From Rakhine cross-border settlement to ethnic violence', Dr Aye Chan explained the increased cross-border settlement from 1826 to 1975, more movements of Chittagong people, who become the majority in Maungdaw and Buthedaung townships.

He said Bengali Muslim population increased from 58,255 in 1871 to 178,647 in 1911. The Bengalis had become the great majority groups in Maungdaw and Buthedaung townships representing 94% and 84% respectively of the total populations there.

He also explained mujahidin rebels' destruction of Rakhine villages and the mujahidin party's demands.
"What I can say exactly is that those who call themselves Rohingyas are really Bengalis. This can be seen in the records of the colonial era. Rakhine State has no Rohingyas," the history professor said.
He then replied to the questions about the Rakhine history raised by those present.


Dr. Jacques P. Leider from EFEO.

Asked about the annexation of Rakhine State in the Bagan period, Dr Jet Pilder replied that there was no evidence for that.
"I never come across the term "Rohingya". But Muslims settlers arrived in Mrauk-U around 17th century. They did not name themselves as Rohingyas then. Other cultures also reached Mrauk-U in the century. The first Dutchman arrived in Mrauk-U in 1608. There were many Dutch offspring with Arakan mothers in 1640. Mrauk-U can be said as a colorful town," Professor Dr Stephen van Galen from Leiden University responded to a question about the term.
"There was never a Muslim king reigned in Rakhine State according to my study paper about the 17th Century," he also answered a question.

"I also talked about it before. A man named Mr. Abdul Gaffa from Buthedaung, Rakhine State created it in 1951. Actually he made it up from the name "Roshang" or "Rohan". It's a Bengali word meaning Rakhine people," Professor Dr. Aye Chan of Japan's Kanda University of International Studies responds to a question about when and how the term became in use.

When a Bengali activist Htay Lwin Oo asked about Rohingya and the Rakhine State, Dr. Aye Chan said the term "Rohan" does not mean illegal immigrants.

RNDP Chairman Dr. Aye Maung.

"The seminar shows clearly that there is no Rohingya in fact. Dr. Aye Chan also explained everything about "No Rohingya in Myanmar". Moreover the Rakhine conflicts will be worked out only when the government tackles it. I am unhappy to hear about the clash. I wish it ends as quickly as possible," said Ashin Tayza who is a first-year student for Buddhism Studies at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok, Thailand.
History professors, diplomats, reporters and invitees from news agencies attended the seminar which also attracted more than 150 Rakhine Buddhist monks and students studying in Thailand.

Besides, Aye Tha Aung and Dr. Aye Maung, chairmen from Arakan League for Democracy and Rakhine Nationalities Development Party also were present at the seminar.


Myanmar and India are world 2 biggest race name masturbator. There is no such thing as Rohingya and that I agree.

But there is no such thing as Kokang as well.

Other than those living in Kokang, all other Chinese in Myanmar got to take up "Barmese" identity as Chinese is not recognized.
 
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No Rohingyas In Arakan History: International Experts!



Yakhine history conference in Mahidol univesity, Bangkok.
There is no Rohingya ethnic in Myanmar and the term Rohingya exactly means Bengali as Myanmar named it, international experts on Rakhine history said in a seminar held in Thailand’s Mahidol University on March 9.
The seminar was held with three objectives to introduction of Rakhine history to the international community; to dismiss the name Rohingya used by international media and to complete reliable references of Rakhine history briefed by international historians, chairman Kyaw Thaung of the organizing committee said.

Dr Jacques P Leider, research scholar and historian of EFEO (French Institute of Asian Studies), Professor Stephen van Galen of Leiden University and History Professor Aye Chan of Kanda University of International Studies gave explanation on Arakan history.
Dr Jacques P Leider explained about the existence of Arakan kingdom, Bodaw Phaya’s occupation to Arakan and political, religious and economic situations.

Dr. Jacques Leider giving presentation on Rakhine history.

There had been changes in political, economic and social sectors during Myanmar that ruled Arakan from 1785 to 1825. Rakhine high-class persons were punished by sending them in exile from 1785 to 1795. Administration was jointly controlled by Myanmar and Rakhine. Increased tax was collected and forced labour was seen from 1795 to 1810. Provisions were provided for Myanmar king’s battles.
Myanmar settled in Rakhine. Rakhine were in rebellion against the rule of Myanmar’s king from 1787 to 1815 and Rakhine people headed to the south part of Bengala for settlement. Rakhine people's economic situation started to change from 1815 to 1825. Myanmar’s king did not face any threat during that period.
Similarly Professor Stephen van Galen briefed on relations between Rakhine region and Bengala from 15th century to 18th century.

Dr Stephen van Galen briefed on the apex of the Rakhine kingdom in 1635, the increasing role of trade revenues when the Rakhine kings were powerful and Dutch's trade activities in Rakhine and Bengal.


Dr. Stephen van Galen from the Leiden University.

After 1638, Rakhine's control over the southeastern Bengal waned due to a shortfall in tax revenue. And Rakhine's economy stagnated after Chittagong was lost in 1666, he added. He also cited another reason for the impact on Rakhine's economy as withdrawal of Dutch businessmen.

In his talks about 'From Rakhine cross-border settlement to ethnic violence', Dr Aye Chan explained the increased cross-border settlement from 1826 to 1975, more movements of Chittagong people, who become the majority in Maungdaw and Buthedaung townships.

He said Bengali Muslim population increased from 58,255 in 1871 to 178,647 in 1911. The Bengalis had become the great majority groups in Maungdaw and Buthedaung townships representing 94% and 84% respectively of the total populations there.

He also explained mujahidin rebels' destruction of Rakhine villages and the mujahidin party's demands.
"What I can say exactly is that those who call themselves Rohingyas are really Bengalis. This can be seen in the records of the colonial era. Rakhine State has no Rohingyas," the history professor said.
He then replied to the questions about the Rakhine history raised by those present.


Dr. Jacques P. Leider from EFEO.

Asked about the annexation of Rakhine State in the Bagan period, Dr Jet Pilder replied that there was no evidence for that.
"I never come across the term "Rohingya". But Muslims settlers arrived in Mrauk-U around 17th century. They did not name themselves as Rohingyas then. Other cultures also reached Mrauk-U in the century. The first Dutchman arrived in Mrauk-U in 1608. There were many Dutch offspring with Arakan mothers in 1640. Mrauk-U can be said as a colorful town," Professor Dr Stephen van Galen from Leiden University responded to a question about the term.
"There was never a Muslim king reigned in Rakhine State according to my study paper about the 17th Century," he also answered a question.

"I also talked about it before. A man named Mr. Abdul Gaffa from Buthedaung, Rakhine State created it in 1951. Actually he made it up from the name "Roshang" or "Rohan". It's a Bengali word meaning Rakhine people," Professor Dr. Aye Chan of Japan's Kanda University of International Studies responds to a question about when and how the term became in use.

When a Bengali activist Htay Lwin Oo asked about Rohingya and the Rakhine State, Dr. Aye Chan said the term "Rohan" does not mean illegal immigrants.

RNDP Chairman Dr. Aye Maung.

"The seminar shows clearly that there is no Rohingya in fact. Dr. Aye Chan also explained everything about "No Rohingya in Myanmar". Moreover the Rakhine conflicts will be worked out only when the government tackles it. I am unhappy to hear about the clash. I wish it ends as quickly as possible," said Ashin Tayza who is a first-year student for Buddhism Studies at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok, Thailand.
History professors, diplomats, reporters and invitees from news agencies attended the seminar which also attracted more than 150 Rakhine Buddhist monks and students studying in Thailand.

Besides, Aye Tha Aung and Dr. Aye Maung, chairmen from Arakan League for Democracy and Rakhine Nationalities Development Party also were present at the seminar.

Well said, just Bangladeshi illegal immigrants as Myanmar has being saying all along.

Even now, most of the people in those boats trying to get to Indonesia and Malaysia are also Bangladeshi, economic migrants, and that's also how they went to Myanmar in the past, but by land. And that's also the same thing that they are doing now and in recent decades going into the north east Indian provinces.
 
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Well said, just Bangladeshi illegal immigrants as Myanmar has being saying all along.

Even now, most of the people in those boats trying to get to Indonesia and Malaysia are also Bangladeshi, economic migrants, and that's also how they went to Myanmar in the past, but by land.

I support neither side, and looking at Rohingya Jihad resume, I have no good impression for them as well.

Rohingya did wage Jihad and worse, exile Rohingya calling Jihad against China (hate China for her support of Myanmar).

If Myanmar behave pussy like Thailand, be sure Rohingya going to act naughty and act victim at the same time.

But making your people fleeing in dove to the sea really make Barmese look bad. You should improve on this and try thinking a way to de-radicalize Bengali than to expulse them.

People should not be made to flee.
 
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Well same thing that Sri Lanka went through and still does with Tamils from India.. Certain minorities trying to manipulate it's history.. The ignorant world ever ready to swallow sob stories of the minority downtrodden but in actual reality it's the other way around

And this coming from a person of minority himself
 
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Rohingya did wage Jihad and worse, exile Rohingya calling Jihad against China (hate China for her support of Myanmar).

They already did.... and i dont agree on the last word " Rohingya calling Jihad against China (hate China for her support of Myanmar)".... China didn't support anything on this issue so far...

Well said, just Bangladeshi illegal immigrants as Myanmar has being saying all along.

Even now, most of the people in those boats trying to get to Indonesia and Malaysia are also Bangladeshi, economic migrants, and that's also how they went to Myanmar in the past, but by land. And that's also the same thing that they are doing now and in recent decades going into the north east Indian provinces.

indeed..!! bro.. Bangladesh should make strong population control policy to solve this problem...
 
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They already did.... and i dont agree on the last word " Rohingya calling Jihad against China (hate China for her support of Myanmar)".... China didn't support anything on this issue so far...

Aung Sang Suu Kyi may become a race traitor.

The whole world did not know how this anti Indian sentiment in Myanmar began. Actually again, the mother of Myanmar trouble is white man.

When UK conquered Burma, she did a demographics engineering and flooded Myanmar with bangla. The Bangla have the usual Indian caste system and tribalism just like what Singaporeans are seeing TODAY.

They took all the elites position, bankrupt the entire Burma, meanwhile bragging themselves talent.

Then Bogyoke (General) Aung San came and bail out the country, and of course he mobilize the Buddhist which today take the form of 969 and other gang.

Now white man agent Suu Kyi are being exorted to rein 969...

The best hope for Myanmar is junta continue in power while hope in future the soften a bit and trying very hard to integrate the Bangla, instead of chasing them away. Not Aung sang.
 
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I support neither side, and looking at Rohingya Jihad resume, I have no good impression for them as well.

Rohingya did wage Jihad and worse, exile Rohingya calling Jihad against China (hate China for her support of Myanmar).

If Myanmar behave pussy like Thailand, be sure Rohingya going to act naughty and act victim at the same time.

But making your people fleeing in dove to the sea really make Barmese look bad. You should improve on this and try thinking a way to de-radicalize Bengali than to expulse them.

People should not be made to flee.

Actually, the Rohingya in Rakhine state, at some point in the past, after they became a majority in the areas that they occupied, they expelled the Burmese from those areas and they even tried to declare a muslin only independent state and waged guerrilla war against Myanmar until they were defeated, so is it much of a wonder why Myanmar does not accept them and wants them out?

Myanmar is doing what other countries would like to do, but don't dare to do.

The responsibility of the situation lies in Bangladesh which not only allowed them to cross the border, but refuses to take them back.

indeed..!! bro.. Bangladesh should make strong population control policy to solve this problem...

Good luck on that bro! Don't hold your breath waiting for that.
These people reproduce like rabbits.

People should not be made to flee.

There would be no need to make them flee if the country that they came from takes them back. Lets set the responsibility where it really is.

And if they don't make them flee, they will continue to come.

Well same thing that Sri Lanka went through and still does with Tamils from India.. Certain minorities trying to manipulate it's history.. The ignorant world ever ready to swallow sob stories of the minority downtrodden but in actual reality it's the other way around

And this coming from a person of minority himself

The only western country that has the balls to say NO, its Australia.
 
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Actually, the Rohingya in Rakhine state, at some point in the past, after they became a majority in the areas that they occupied, they expelled the Burmese from those areas and they even tried to declare a muslin only independent state and waged guerrilla war against Myanmar until they were defeated, so is it much of a wonder why Myanmar does not accept them and wants them out?

Myanmar is doing what other countries would like to do, but don't dare to do.

The responsibility of the situation lies in Bangladesh which not only allowed them to cross the border, but refuses to take them back.

The Bangala Islamo are too stupid to wage Jihad in Arakan, a piece of flat land. They are up against the martial Barmese race, who delivered the British bloody nose, even though they are eventually defeated.

These people stand no chance in Arakan, unlike those hilly and forest tribe like Kokang, Shan, Wa, Kachin...etc..

And they are not waging Jihad against Israel, despite how bad Israel is, she still tries her best to adhere to civilize conduct.

The Bangala Islamo are against Barmese, another big gangster although Barmese gangsterism is primary school and cannot be compared to Islamo who got PHD in gangsterism.

Myanmar has this 969 monk all along and sectarian conflict non stop and why the world know Rohingya until recently?

Reason being, Myanmar wanted to hedge against China by spreading her legs to the USA. Before when USA is baiting Myanmar, no one heard of these Rohingya.

USA got Myanmar hooked and white man suddenly "discovered" a persecuted race.

Get real, anyone waging insurgency against barmese got expelled including Kokang, Kachin, Shan, Karen...etc...
 
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The Bangala Islamo are too stupid to wage Jihad in Arakan, a piece of flat land. They are up against the martial Barmese race, who delivered the British bloody nose, even though they are eventually defeated.

These people stand no chance in Arakan, unlike those hilly and forest tribe like Kokang, Shan, Wa, Kachin...etc..

And they are not waging Jihad against Israel, despite how bad Israel is, she still tries her best to adhere to civilize conduct.

The Bangala Islamo are against Barmese, another big gangster although Barmese gangsterism is primary school and cannot be compared to Islamo who got PHD in gangsterism.

Myanmar has this 969 monk all along and sectarian conflict non stop and why the world know Rohingya until recently?

Reason being, Myanmar wanted to hedge against China by spreading her legs to the USA. Before when USA is baiting Myanmar, no one heard of these Rohingya.

USA got Myanmar hooked and white man suddenly "discovered" a persecuted race.

Get real, anyone waging insurgency against barmese got expelled including Kokang, Kachin, Shan, Karen...etc...

I'm not talking about the present time, I said "in the past", they actually did that which shows how undesirable these people are.

Of course, now they don't have a chance to do that, they are just trying to survive.
 
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Actually, the Rohingya in Rakhine state, at some point in the past, after they became a majority in the areas that they occupied, they expelled the Burmese from those areas and they even tried to declare a muslin only independent state and waged guerrilla war against Myanmar until they were defeated, so is it much of a wonder why Myanmar does not accept them and wants them out?

Myanmar is doing what other countries would like to do, but don't dare to do.

The responsibility of the situation lies in Bangladesh which not only allowed them to cross the border, but refuses to take them back.



Good luck on that bro! Don't hold your breath waiting for that.
These people reproduce like rabbits.



There would be no need to make them flee if the country that they came from takes them back. Lets set the responsibility where it really is.

And if they don't make them flee, they will continue to come.



The only western country that has the balls to say NO, its Australia.
Yet Bangladesh has the lowest birth rate in the whole of South Asia :wave:
 
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same story in the past,

Hua Chinese were fleeing from mainland China to Philippine, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia.

In Vietnam, Hua Chinese is called as "nguoi Tau " in Vietnamese, it mean "boat man" too.
 
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same story in the past,

Hua Chinese were fleeing from mainland China to Philippine, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia.

In Vietnam, Hua Chinese is called as "nguoi Tau " in Vietnamese, it mean "boat man" too.
No man, they are far from being the lowest, they are way above average.

Not all the Hoa fled in fact most of them did not. Vietnamese consider themselves and Cantonese the same race.

Vietnamese got so smart because an influx of gene from China.
 
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