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New provinces and provincial autonomy

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Pakistan should have been split up into 16 provinces a longtime ago. The 4 major ethnic barriers broken down and 16 created :enjoy: .

Smaller provinces are easier to cntrol and each one of them can get their own development budget. It also would help to break the division on linguistic barrier alone---the linguistic identity of the provinces be no more----just like the counties in united kingdom.
 
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I am not against change whether it be 8 provinces or 16 bt my point is that this is not the right time.

Lets focus all energy on one point and that is unity against terrorists working against Pakistan and return of IDPs.

Second issue is the energy crisis, we don't have enough dams and we are wasting money on importing electricity. What is done on the Thar Coal project? Why are we not utilizing alternate energy options on war footage.
 
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Gulfnews: No new provinces in Pakistan - Gilani

No new provinces in Pakistan - Gilani

By Fasihur Rehman Khan, Correspondent
Published: July 03, 2009, 23:26

Islamabad: Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani has rejected calls to divide Punjab province and create another province to be called Seraiki or Bhawalpur.

"We reject this demand to establish a fifth province of the country as it is against our party manifesto and programme," Gilani said.

Calls to establish more provinces resonated after political personalities from Seraiki speaking areas of the country backed the proposal irrespective of their party lines.

But despite getting support from some members of parliament as well as influential people, the PPP-led government shot down the proposal.

The government reportedly fears that similar demands in Sindh and Frontier province might come up if the proposal gets seriously considered.

Sources said this could open up another Pandora's box in these troubled times when military operations are underway in tribal areas and Swat, and the country's economy is also in troubled waters.

Gilani said the government is planning to establish garrisons in various localities of the Malakand and Swat areas, and recruit locals from these areas to serve in the security forces.

The Pakistani premier said he had likewise briefed the visiting French delegation about his government's concern over infiltration by Afghan Taliban into Pakistani areas as a result of ongoing US military operation in the Helmand area in Afghanistan.

US forces kick-started the largest military operation against the Afghan Taliban in the Helmand area in a move to wipe out the insurgents.

Pakistani authorities fear that the fighting might result in further border infiltration by the Taliban.
 
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Punjab, a large province having majority of population in Pakistan as compared to other provinces, it is well known as for its water resources as well as its culture is also a very dynamic one. People of Punjab are considered to be very kind heart. But unfortunately the political leadership in Punjab was never serious about its citizens.
Establishment of Punjab always tried to poke its nose on issues of other provinces but it was ignoring one of the biggest issue which Punjab was facing from day one and that was the division of Punjab into multiple provinces. For many years Siraiki nationals were demanding a separate province and now another part of South Punjab Bhawalpur is having same intentions as it was separate till 1951 and was promised that the previous status of Bhawalpur will be restored soon but it was never done.
There is no question over the power and influence of Establishment of Punjab, the politicians and bureaucracy have shown their power when they divided Pakistan in to two pieces in 1971, but when it comes for partition of Punjab which is not a question over Pakistan’s sovereignty and also a constitutional act, the politicians are wasting so much time and utilizing all the resources of South Punjab without giving them a penny of benefits. This all scenario creates some sort of hatred in the hearts of the citizens of South Punjab.
We must think now, we should divide Punjab otherwise the situation will get worse then it was ever before. And we all know in such situations agencies play their role and result can be very destructive for Pakistan. The corrupt politicians of Punjab damn care about Pakistan, they have their billion dollar bank accounts and their palaces are ready for them in foreign. But its we, the people who will suffer again and again and again.
Ruling elite is ignoring the issues of Siryaki belt and the current budget for siryaki belt is not really enough and is not meeting the needs of the population of the belt this could be very drastic and most of all the issues are not being highlighted by politicians and public representatives of that area accept fewer siryaki politicians or public representatives.
 
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I Support The Division of Punjab

Nine & Half Crore Population .............



New Province should be Named Bhawalpur
 
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Believe me, when the ruling class, especially politicians, feel that division of Punjab is beneficial for them, they will do it overnight. Refer to your posted map above, you can easily feel an interesting difference among the areas of Multan. Muzaffar Garh and DG Khan. Multan has been divided into 4 districts, i.e. Khanewal, Vihari, Lodhran and Multan, after the independence, while Muzaffar Garh and DG Khan have been kept the same size, Why? The division of Multan was politically suitable to the rulers while the other districts were suitable in terms of assembly seats and the feuds there didn't want there areas to be developed.

We should not only blame rulers at the Provincial level but we should also blame the politicians from the Saraiki belt for all this backwardness of the area. Division of the Punjab on administrative grounds seem inevitable. It will happen sooner or later. But the division should be, in my opinion, on administrative grounds rather than ethnic grounds, to save this country from ethnic bifurcation.
 
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i support, the division of punjab , if division of sind & nwfp, also included on the papers!
 
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We must think now, we should divide Punjab otherwise the situation will get worse then it was ever before. And we all know in such situations agencies play their role and result can be very destructive for Pakistan. The corrupt politicians of Punjab damn care about Pakistan, they have their billion dollar bank accounts and their palaces are ready for them in foreign. But its we, the people who will suffer again and again and again.
Ruling elite is ignoring the issues of Siryaki belt and the current budget for siryaki belt is not really enough and is not meeting the needs of the population of the belt this could be very drastic and most of all the issues are not being highlighted by politicians and public representatives of that area accept fewer siryaki politicians or public representatives.

It is not that simple because there are also wishes of Punjabis themselves (non Seriaki). This is not the right time either, as we need to focus on security and inflation before anything else.

Last but not least, is Bhawalpur going to be a separate province or part of the Seriaki province?

This question needs to be resolved by the supporters of division before they can go and ask for division of Punjab.

This comments is from a NON-Punjabi so please don't consider it based on ethnic bias.
 
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Believe me, when the ruling class, especially politicians, feel that division of Punjab is beneficial for them, they will do it overnight

It the tail wagging the head of the dog -

SSGPA1

Why is this not the right time? is there such a thing as a right time? These administrative reforms can also positively effect the Islamist insurgency by removing the complaint that the people are not served by the governement and represented in the government, further it can begin the process of reversing or altering the political and social dynamics of and within tribals.
 
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Why is this not the right time? is there such a thing as a right time? These administrative reforms can also positively effect the Islamist insurgency by removing the complaint that the people are not served by the governement and represented in the government, further it can begin the process of reversing or altering the political and social dynamics of and within tribals.

Pakistanis are united against terrorism and my concern is that this division will give way to ethinic clasehes in the biggest province which is the last thing we need.

Secondly, ANP and others can also ask for Pakhtoonkhuwah and may also ask for FATA to be part of the NWFP.

We need to deal with one issue at a time.
 
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By Shahid Hamid

Given that the creation of new provinces any time soon is not a viable option, Parliament should proceed with all due speed to devolve further powers from the Federation to the Provinces by deleting the Concurrent List of 47 subjects or at least most of this List

The issue of new provinces and provincial autonomy was also crucial and the 1973 Constitution originally envisaged these scenarios.

For instance, Article 1 of the 1973 Constitution envisaged the possible return of East Pakistan on vacation of Indian aggression. The enabling provision in this behalf was done away with by the First Amendment to the Constitution in 1974.

Article 1 also defines the territories that comprise Pakistan. These are the four Provinces, the Islamabad Capital Territory, the seven Federally Administered Tribal Areas and such other territories as may be included in Pakistan. Has the time not come to end the anomalous status of the seven FATAs either by including them in the NWFP or by constituting them into one or more new province(s) after ascertaining the views of the tribesmen through their jirgas as provided in Article 247 of the Constitution?

Has the time also not come to fully absorb the Northern Areas into the body politic of Pakistan by declaring them to be a new province of Pakistan? Is there any need to keep pending such absorption till a final settlement of the Kashmir issue when, for many other purposes, we do not consider the Northern Areas to be part of Kashmir?

Even if neither of these steps can be taken immediately, surely there is a need to settle a strategy and set a time frame for achieving these objectives. Both these matters also find mention in the Charter of Democracy signed by the late Ms Benazir Bhutto and Mian Nawaz Sharif.

When the Province of West Pakistan Establishment Act was enacted by the Constituent Assembly in 1955 there were as many as 15 provinces, states and areas that were merged into what became the ‘Super’ Province of West Pakistan. These were the Governor’s Provinces of Punjab, Sindh and NWFP, the Chief Commissioner’s Provinces of Balochistan and Karachi, the Balochistan States Union, the States of Bahawalpur and Khairpur, the tribal areas of Punjab, Balochistan and NWFP and the States of Amb, Dir, Chitral and Swat.

If, while undoing One Unit i.e. West Pakistan, General Yahya Khan had simply repealed the West Pakistan Act of 1955, 15 constituent units would have re-emerged and not six viz the four Provinces, the Islamabad Capital Territory and the FATAs.

The four provinces with their enlarged boundaries are the creation of the West Pakistan Dissolution Order of 1970. Pakistan was created under the leadership of the Quaid by our fathers and forefathers and not by the four provinces in their present shape and form.

This is perhaps not the right time to consider the creation of new provinces when the finances of the country are under strain and one of the two major political parties suspects that the motivation is other than the national interest. The issue of more provinces nevertheless needs to be addressed in a longer term perspective. There is an intrinsic link between this issue and that of provincial autonomy.

This link is best explained by comparing the relevant provisions of the Pakistan and Indian Constitutions.

Under the Indian Constitution there are 97 subjects in the Union i.e. Federal List, another 47 in the Concurrent List, a total of 144. In our 1973 Constitution there are 67 subjects in the Federal List, another 47 in the Concurrent List, a total of 114.

India started with 14 States i.e. provinces. It now has 28. India’s constitutional procedures for division of their States are much simpler than ours. All that is required is a simple majority in Parliament on a reference made by their President after ascertaining the views of the concerned State Assembly.

In Pakistan, especially in our smaller provinces, there are large sections of political and public opinion demanding the abolition of the Concurrent List in order for the provinces to have true autonomy. There is no such demand of any significance in India. If there were 15 or 25 (as at one time mooted by General Zia-ul-Haq) provinces in Pakistan it would be unnecessary and impractical to devolve further powers from the Federation to the provinces. Creation of more provinces in Pakistan will, in the long run, strengthen and not weaken the Federation.

There is yet another important aspect of this issue. Punjab with nearly 60% of the total population is a super-large province. It is larger than most countries of the world. There are one or two countries which have provinces of the size of Punjab in terms of population but in none of these countries do such provinces constitute a majority of the total population.

Citizens of the three smaller provinces are resentful of Punjab’s dominance in the affairs of the Federation. Russia dominated the affairs of the Soviet Union. Similarly Serbia was dominant in the erstwhile Yugoslav Federation. This dominance was one of the major causes of the collapse of both these Federations.

In the late 1960s the Biafran revolt in Nigeria was caused at least in part by the dominance of the Northern Region which was larger than the Eastern and Western Regions combined. The insurgency very nearly led to the break-up of Nigeria.

In the aftermath of the Biafran civil war Nigeria has re-organised itself. Prior to the Biafran revolt it had just three Regions i.e. provinces. It now has as many as 36 States. Is it not time that we too should do away with boundaries that make us think and act as Punjabis, Sindhis, Pashtuns and Baloch? Does such thinking promote national integration?

Given that the creation of new provinces any time soon is not a viable option, Parliament should proceed with all due speed to devolve further powers from the Federation to the Provinces by deleting the Concurrent List of 47 subjects or at least most of this List.

While it may be desirable to have some degree of uniformity of laws on these subjects this purpose can be achieved where required through Article 144 which empowers Parliament to make laws, if two or more Provincial Assemblies pass resolutions asking Parliament to do so, on subjects not included in the Federal or Concurrent Legislative Lists.

The deletion of the Concurrent List and the consequent devolution of powers to the Provinces will not weaken the strength and stability of the Federation. The abolition of the Concurrent List has been agreed to by the major political parties in the Charter of Democracy signed by them. Practically all the smaller political parties are also demanding deletion of this List. Why then has it not happened?

The answer is not far to seek. It is because of vested interests: ministers who will lose their jobs if their subjects and powers are transferred to the provinces and the thousands of bureaucrats who will have to re-locate from Islamabad to the provincial capitals.

This article is the second of a seven-part series. The first part was published yesterday. The author is a former civil servant, cabinet minister and Governor of Punjab
 
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Punjab is land of five rivers and previous dictator Ayub Khan sold two rivers(Ravi and Satlug) to indian for only 88 crores .

Punjab should not be divided because it will future increase the government expenses.What a foolish idea of writer that it will increase the efficiency .

Alway unity is strength , india divided its state because to gain the political benefits only.

We need to focus on development plan and should cut down government expenses by technology and better management .

Punjab is only province in which we have no discriminations , never ethenic roits happened as in other provinces.

We need to discourage this idea .
 
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No need to divide punjab. We have pms, presidents, cms coming from northern punjab, even now who won seats and asking for division just come to norther punjab for somedays only in a yr. So division don't make sense. We have Baluchistan which is separate province yet the result is same. Dividing punjab will only put pressure on we tax payers.
 
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No need to divide punjab. We have pms, presidents, cms coming from northern punjab, even now who won seats and asking for division just come to norther punjab for somedays only in a yr. So division don't make sense. We have Baluchistan which is separate province yet the result is same. Dividing punjab will only put pressure on we tax payers.

Smaller states are for better administration if they are done with proper research and genuine need for dispersing better administration. They might be some drawbacks like increased state expenditure, but could lead lot more positive developments.
 
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