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New Imam bill makes Islam a Crime

Hasn't liberal European State done enough to prove that they inherently hate Islam?

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stoning, flogging, physical punishment of children, cutting of hands, circumcision of women, forced marriage and polygamy

well stoning to death for adultury is a christian and isis alike thing it does not exist in quran
cutting of hands of thieves (sometimes when i see some armed thives i wish it meant amputing anyway) does not exist only isis using wrong interpretation
circumcision does not exist in quran we and jews alike do it culturally mostly with man only
forced mariage neither
physical punishment of children of course not
flogging for adultury is the only thing that exist but it's not that extreme you don't die from it

Here i am using the literal meaning of the quran
 
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This disgusting Muslim man an agent of the satanist was hanged to death by Ataturk.
A lot of Muslims are bad people. There's no escaping this fact. Time for Muslims to become Human.
Bro we are a deeply emotional people. We think its some service to Islam to oppose secularism when we introduced it for the first time when Europe was in spiritual decline.

Yet we produced Ibn Rushd who laid the foundations of secularism. We produced the mutazilites who first advocated secularism and linked it with religion. They are forever bemoaned for promoting so called "kufr" and have become a fringe movement. We produced Pir Roshan who advocated for women's education even during a time when it was considered taboo. Akbar introduced Din E Ilahi which called for an understanding of religions and harmony between each. Allama Iqbal associated the fall of Ijtehad with the fall of the Islamic state.
 
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This disgusting Muslim man an agent of the satanist was hanged to death by Ataturk.
A lot of Muslims are bad people. There's no escaping this fact. Time for Muslims to become Human.
Bro we are a deeply emotional people. We think its some service to Islam to oppose secularism when we introduced it for the first time when Europe was in spiritual decline.

Yet we produced Ibn Rushd who laid the foundations of secularism. We produced the mutazilites who first advocated secularism and linked it with religion. They are forever bemoaned for promoting so called "kufr" and have become a fringe movement. We produced Pir Roshan who advocated for women's education even during a time when it was considered taboo. Akbar introduced Din E Ilahi which called for an understanding of religions and harmony between each. Allama Iqbal associated the fall of Ijtehad with the fall of the Islamic state.



Bro we are a deeply emotional people. We think its some service to Islam to oppose secularism when we introduced it for the first time when Europe was in spiritual decline.

Yet we produced Ibn Rushd who laid the foundations of secularism. We produced the mutazilites who first advocated secularism and linked it with religion. They are forever bemoaned for promoting so called "kufr" and have become a fringe movement. We produced Pir Roshan who advocated for women's education even during a time when it was considered taboo. Akbar introduced Din E Ilahi which called for an understanding of religions and harmony between each. Allama Iqbal associated the fall of Ijtehad with the fall of the Islamic state.[/QUOTE]
Ataturk saved us from Islamic backwardness. :)
I am just messing with Luffy....:)
 
I am not supporting what Denmark did. But have we done any better? Luffy constantly posts this criticizing secularists.

Based on something he "might" have said in the past, you are attacking him now?
 
Based on something he "might" have said in the past, you are attacking him now?
I am not attacking anyone. I just stated some people have a fascination with proving secularists are demons who are bereft of a thought in their mind for Islam.
 
New Imam Bill makes Islam a Crime

http://www.islam21c.com/latest/new-imam-bill-makes-islam-a-crime/

With an upcoming law targeting Muslim imams, preachers and lecturers, Denmark is now leading the way in Europe with far-reaching anti-Muslim laws. The so-called “Imam package” is defined by significant totalitarian features usually seen in the most infamous police states. Are we witnessing the reemergence of totalitarianism in Europe?

Political pioneering has never quite characterised Danish politics. Throughout the last few centuries, domestic and economic policies have been copied almost directly from Denmark’s big neighbouring states: Germany, France and Britain. From Bismarck’s welfare state to Thatcher’s revival of raw Capitalism, the same changes in Central and Western Europe eventually happen in Denmark, but with a delay of some years or even decades.

The same lack of originality is found in Danish foreign policy which has always been defined by the world’s current major powers. It supported France when Napoleon peaked in power until the British bombardment of Copenhagen in 1807, which changed Copenhagen’s loyalty from Paris to London. Denmark, unlike Norway, pledged its allegiance to Berlin when Nazi Germany looked like it was winning the war until Hitler’s devastating loss in Stalingrad consequently made Denmark a British ally again.

The newly appointed Danish foreign minister, Anders Samuelsen, was asked recently about his vision for Danish foreign policy to which he plainly answered: “my vision is to do what the US tells us to do”.[1] The same pathetic answer could really have come from any Danish foreign minister since the beginning of the Cold War when America became the world’s leading superpower.

Similarly, when security and integration politics were fused together by Western governments after 9/11, Denmark became even more eager to “learn” from its big neighbours. The so-called counter terrorism laws and prevent strategies of Britain is mirrored by the policies in Denmark. The “tough on Muslims” rhetoric from French and Dutch politicians is echoed in Denmark, not only from the right-wing, but from labour and socialist parties as well.

Leading the way

It is very unusual for Denmark to lead in anything but with the upcoming Imam Bill, it is happening nevertheless. “Leading” is usually associated with doing something good; however, in this case it could be argued that leading is not always a virtue. “The Imam Package”, as it is called, contains elements more far-reaching than any other law passed in Europe since 9/11.

A majority of the Danish parliament, including leftwing and socialist parties, agreed to the bill in June this year, and it is expected to be passed at the beginning of the coming year. The declared aim of the bill is to fight “religious preachers who seek to undermine Danish values and law”.[2] The Imam Bill will make it a criminal offence to “explicitly condone any of the specific acts such as stoning, flogging, physical punishment of children, cutting of hands, circumcision of women, forced marriage and polygamy” i.e. what they deem sharia-law.

Violation of the law can result in 3 years of imprisonment as a maximum sentence. If a secular liberal condones polygamy, he or she is exempted from the law as it only targets “religious” consent and not opinions argued in a “democratic” fashion. Similarly, the right wing MP, Marie Krarup, will not be subject to the law even though she calls for physical punishment of children because she expresses her opinions within the democratic framework.

Far-reaching

Hence, a Muslim preacher or lecturer can be imprisoned for 3 years for saying: “I believe in polygamy, because the Qur’ān allows it.”

The criminalisation of religious and political convictions is not the only extreme aspect of this bill. It even prohibits these views to be expressed in “private” circumstances using the example of a “confidential” conversation of a person who seeks advice from a “religious preacher”.

It also mentions opinions expressed on Facebook and religious magazines as examples as well as a “political debate, which initially is not subjected to the law”. However, this debate could change its nature to become “religious teaching” and therefore “becomes included in the criminalisation”.

Public reactions

Several public figures have expressed their resentment of the law.

The Dean of the People’s University of Copenhagen, Bente Hagelund, said regarding the bill

“it is evident by the motives that the bill targets legal, but unpopular statements. Honestly, it is hypocritical of us to yell about equality and human rights while discriminating between the organisations we like and those we don’t like.”[3]

The Vice Director of the Institute of Human Rights, Louise Holck, commented on the bill by saying: “to criminalise something said in a private circle is extremely far-reaching”.[4] A similar reaction came from Lisbet Christoffersen, Professor in Public Law from the University of Roskilde, who considered the bill to pose “a serious change in Danish religious law practice”.[5] Jacob Mchangama, Director of think tank Justitia, criticised the law for criminalising views which do not encourage violence.[6]

Christians and Jews need not worry

The Danish government has not done much to hide its true agenda. When the general secretary of the Danish Baptist Church objected to the law, Danish Minister of Culture and Church, Bertel Haarder, was quick to calm them down by assuring the law was not “casting suspicion on religion generally” but was targeting “imams”.[7]

In other words, it is not targeting religions in general but one specific religion. The Imam Bill itself mentions that it would be unconstitutional to limit the law to target one single religion or religious group, and therefore religious preachers must be referred to in a general way in the bill.

Messy business

Things can become messy when a small time state tries to lead. The legal think tank Justitia wrote an eighteen page report arguing the Imam Bill violates The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) as it fails to live up to the qualitative and proportional requirements of the ECHR.[8]

Indeed, the Danish parliament does not seem to have thoroughly thought things through. The bill itself was a swift reaction to a 6-series Islamophobic documentary called “Mosques behind the veil” starring a member of Council of Ex-Muslims, Nahla Mahmoud, who is well-known for her anti-Muslim sentiments. Its distorted display of Danish mosques subjected the documentary to harsh criticism from communication experts such as Professor Vibeke Borberg and PhD Christian Suhr.[9]

Two months after this so-called documentary aired, a majority of parties in the parliament agreed to the new bill. In many countries laws are made after a thorough and comprehensive study of data material, expert commissions and long term experiences. In Denmark laws are made in response to documentaries. Even more extraordinary is that the Imam Bill itself mentions the documentary as the reason behind the bill.

Champions of free speech?

Quite ironically, for the last decade Danish politicians have portrayed themselves as champions of free speech. Globally, the Cartoon Crisis is viewed as a disgrace and harassment towards Muslims. In Denmark, however, it is seen as a great noble battle for free speech which Denmark eventually won.


The Cartoon Crisis, of course, had nothing to do with free speech but was a result of an encouragement to Danish newspapers, from the Danish Minister of Culture, Brian Mikkelsen, to deride Islamic symbols after a Danish artist refused to urinate on the Qur’ān.[10] The same ministry, by the way, forgot everything about free speech when it threatened the director of Denmark’s Loyal Library as he refused to cancel a political conference about Afghanistan held by a Muslim organisation, Hizb ut-Tahrir.
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Just like the Cartoon Crisis, the Imam Bill exposes Denmark’s anti-Muslim agenda and hypocritical policies. With policies such as the Swiss “handshake” law and the burqini ban in France, European countries in general are looking more and more like reemerging medieval police states. The Imam Bill is very unlikely to cause a drop of support to the Sharia. However, liberals’ confidence in their own values might have suffered quite the drop.

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This bill effectively criminalizes basic islamic discourse both in public and in private. They literally banned islamic sermons and opened up avenues to target islamic education even in the confines of one's home. In a way Denmark just overtook France in flaunting its Liberal Secular credentials. Do NOT say Denmark violated secularism.This is perfectly in line with Liberal Secular principles. Secularism can and does dictate conformation to the majority western liberal culture Eg. Ataturk's turkey . The French are infact very open and explicit about this. Liberalism only allows liberty to those minorities that agrees to be subservient to liberal secular values. The Swiss Handsake case was a clear example of this.

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Europe was always enemy of Islam and Muslims. They are just showing there true colors. The battle lines are being drawn and whose on which side is getting clear by every passing day and soon it would be an open battle.
 
Europe was always enemy of Islam and Muslims. They are just showing there true colors. The battle lines are being drawn and whose on which side is getting clear by every passing day and soon it would be an open battle.
You would not believe me if i tell you most of europe was muslim before islam came they were called arians they were prosecuted by byzantines who believed in divination of christ and made the cross up, funnily turkey used to be the stronghold of those byzantines who prosecuted the monotheist followers of christ but now things turned to the opposite side
 
Bro we are a deeply emotional people. We think its some service to Islam to oppose secularism when we introduced it for the first time when Europe was in spiritual decline.

Yet we produced Ibn Rushd who laid the foundations of secularism. We produced the mutazilites who first advocated secularism and linked it with religion. They are forever bemoaned for promoting so called "kufr" and have become a fringe movement. We produced Pir Roshan who advocated for women's education even during a time when it was considered taboo. Akbar introduced Din E Ilahi which called for an understanding of religions and harmony between each. Allama Iqbal associated the fall of Ijtehad with the fall of the Islamic state.



Bro we are a deeply emotional people. We think its some service to Islam to oppose secularism when we introduced it for the first time when Europe was in spiritual decline.

Yet we produced Ibn Rushd who laid the foundations of secularism. We produced the mutazilites who first advocated secularism and linked it with religion. They are forever bemoaned for promoting so called "kufr" and have become a fringe movement. We produced Pir Roshan who advocated for women's education even during a time when it was considered taboo. Akbar introduced Din E Ilahi which called for an understanding of religions and harmony between each. Allama Iqbal associated the fall of Ijtehad with the fall of the Islamic state.
Ataturk saved us from Islamic backwardness. :)
I am just messing with Luffy....:)[/QUOTE]
The backwardness is not really Islamic I believe but imposed by narrow minded muslims who do not understand the basis of the past power and the benefits of the secular system which was implemented in the early years-how else could muslims rule a vast non muslim population? The real problem in my eyes is the mullahs and clergy have taken control of the entire system so that it suits them and their doctrine is believed by most, including Zarvan.

Why are the muta'zilites so demonized in the history told by our historians? The entire sect believes in secularism. It is an entire school of thought that considers orthodoxy a cancer. When a state engages in imposing religion and moral policing other sectors of the national fabric are ignored.

We Pakistanis are more and more condemning conservatives and adopting secularism. It is the effect of years of insurgency which is caused by the wrong interpretation of Islam. On the other hand scholars like Ghamidi are forced to exit the nation and scholars like Muhammed farooq khan killed as they go to their place of work. If we do not acknowledge that there is a problem at all we will never be able to fix it.

The mullahs have forgotten their loyalty to Pakistan and are now actively supporting the Taliban. I wish Turkey the best. Ataturk saved Turkey from extremism and fanaticism. Even if we do not adopt secularism, we should be open to talk about it

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I am not attacking anyone. I just stated some people have a fascination with proving secularists are demons who are bereft of a thought in their mind for Islam.
This is common amongst a large number of Muslims - in particular like Luffy nursing a deep inferiority complex. After all if your a Bangla please tell me exactly what do you have to be proud of? This the need to milch the udders of some Ottoman Sultan under the guise of Islam etc

A history of being the Hindu underclass on the Bengal delta that freed itself mentally when the Muslim invaders came and offered salvation in equality. Then soon became slaves to the British. Then became slaves to Pakistani elite. Then became indepandant but lived in slavery of povery and continous degradations of a delta that is barely above sea level and thanks to replicating barely enough room to wriggle your tail which thankfully is small so proving that small size is not all bad.

Then escaping from the sinking land and hungry stomachs they arrive in UK. There they get trapped in public housing projects, subjected to racism. They then see a Arab who promises them deliverance in utopian ummah. Next thing theese guy's are bought hook, line and fish.

So do excuse them.

@haviZsultan No offence mate but you know this lethal coctail of Islamism was injected into Pakistan by migrants from India post 1947. Religion was used to artifice varied ethnic groups - this cynical attempt to use religion to connect with the locals has had a terrible effects as can be seen. Almost all religious groups were predominantly supported by migrant groups from India right upto late 1970s by which time the infection had taken root inside Pakistan.

Bizzarely the original Islamists have turned to secular politics with the rise of mQM. Even now if you remove religion out of the equation what are you left with? Rest of the population can fall back on their Pashtun, Punjabi, Sindhi heritage but what about those from India? They just become 'Indians'.
 
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