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Yup, and you're an Indonesian with a preference for chinese ***?? any difference??


If only you know how much The US do us a favor when gaining our independence.
LOL.. You are self denying. US until now has spare no effort to contain the growth of indonesia and weaken Indonesia unity..

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...t-it-was-us-military-might-that-got-troops-in

Any Indonesian who think US will do good for Indonesia is nothing but traitor on US paycheck. US is well known to meddle in other countries administration especially non western coutries who dont in line with their religion and culture.
 
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LOL.. You are self denying. US until now has spare no effort to contain the growth of indonesia and weaken Indonesia unity..
no I'm not and no it didn't.

A strong Indonesia will benefit not only the US, but also Australia,Japan, SE Asia and Indo-Pac as a whole. I think the US must give more attention to capture First Indonesia economy links out of China's orbit by investing more in our country and second Indonesia Politics by engaging more in ehhh weapons purchase.

If I'm a US offcials with interest in Indo-Pacific. Indonesia is a must to be allies
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I don't think this can happen in a few months. Perhaps there is a need for planning that takes years. For now, it is difficult to have a movement that will affect the numbers at the macro economic level. Production has already slowed down. The primary problem will be to exit the current recession spiral with minimal damage.

When this virus(its effects and its psychology) completely leaves the United States, more than a hundred-thousand people will probably die. About 50 million people will have lost their jobs. It should not be underestimated the psychology that this will create. If the USA cannot answer this, it will have difficulty in maintaining its global position.

So something much bigger than you imagine will come... Nothing will be the same.
 
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no I'm not and no it didn't.

A strong Indonesia will benefit not only the US, but also Australia,Japan, SE Asia and Indo-Pac as a whole. I think the US must give more attention to capture First Indonesia economy links out of China's orbit by investing more in our country and second Indonesia Politics by engaging more in ehhh weapons purchase.

If I'm a US offcials with interest in Indo-Pacific. Indonesia is a must to be allies
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LOL. A strong Indonesia will not seat well with Australia. If you ask who has stronger influence on US between Australia and Indonesia. I dont think I need a genius to tell you. US is playing a game of bait and thrash. US will never truly want a strong Indonesia, it just make use of Indonesia to counter China. US will alway hamper the growth of Indonesia if necessary. At the same time, it try to please Indonesia only if it benefit its clause. Only foolish Indonesian will think a full siding with US is a good clause for Indonesia. I am right you are a traitor for Indonesia.

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/ind...om-us-jakarta-is-keen-on-buying-f-35-instead/
 
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Why would they loose the market if they shift production to other countries? Don't China want to be in WTO?

China and South Korea are the only game in semiconductors in East Asia. SMIC and Tsinghua Unigroup are one of the few fabs in the world producing at 14 nm. Even Japan is trailing edge now. But South Korea and China's semiconductor industries are heavily linked. SK Hynix has half its fabs in China and 1 of 3 Samsung's top tier NAND fabs are in China.

But that is just semiconductor. In software and aerospace, South Korea is not even on the map. It's just China in Asia. There is no company in India, Vietnam, Bangladesh, etc. that is even remotely close to Alibaba or JD.com. They compete with Amazon, not just for their ecommerce side, but also in big data, global logistics and web infrastructure. That is the dark side of Amazon that nobody sees, but actually makes them the most money. They make relatively little profit from their actual retail sales.

Cheap labor jobs might go to India or Vietnam. But India and Vietnam will probably not get a semiconductor fab. They won't get aerospace. They won't get real software (IT is not software development). They will continue to have low value added, repetitive jobs under foreign management.
 
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I don't think this can happen in a few months. Perhaps there is a need for planning that takes years. For now, it is difficult to have a movement that will affect the numbers at the macro economic level. Production has already slowed down. The primary problem will be to exit the current recession spiral with minimal damage.

When this virus(its effects and its psychology) completely leaves the United States, more than a hundred-thousand people will probably die. About 50 million people will have lost their jobs. It should not be underestimated the psychology that this will create. If the USA cannot answer this, it will have difficulty in maintaining its global position.

So something much bigger than you imagine will come... Nothing will be the same.

Many many people at grass root level in the entire world had been affected by this commies Wuhan virus, they will only know the country of origin of this virus is China!!!
 
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LOL. A strong Indonesia will not seat well with Australia. If you ask who has stronger influence on US between Australia and Indonesia.

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/ind...om-us-jakarta-is-keen-on-buying-f-35-instead/

a weak Indonesia will be at the influence of China, if Indonesia is getting too close to beijing that means beijing is now getting closer to Australia. not good at all.

Only foolish Indonesian will think a full siding with US is a good clause for Indonesia. I am right you are a traitor for Indonesia.
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win-win situation I guess, US successfully isolate China even more and Indonesia gets access to US modern weapons.
 
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a weak Indonesia will be at the influence of China, if Indonesia is getting too close to beijing that means beijing is now getting closer to Australia. not good at all.

No need to reply Wumao NMSL army, they had spent more effort to use VPN and doing much counter attack lately
 
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@WebMaster @Horus @Slav Defence

Non contributing reply which has no value in this thread which I believe just to derail the topic.

a weak Indonesia will be at the influence of China, if Indonesia is getting too close to beijing that means beijing is now getting closer to Australia. not good at all.

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win-win situation I guess, US successfully isolate China even more and Indonesia gets access to US modern weapons.

A strong Indonesia is not in the book for Australia and US.

An Indonesia using all american weapon will be in the plan of Australia and Singapore as it will restrict source code prevent Indonesia independent policy defending its home security.

 
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@WebMaster @Horus @Slav Defence

Non contributing reply which has no value in this thread which I believe just to derail the topic.



A strong Indonesia is not in the book for Australia and US.

An Indonesia using all american weapon will be in the plan of Australia and Singapore as it will restrict source code prevent Indonesia independent policy defending its home security.

also Mr Mahathir:

Beware of China 'debt trap', Malaysia's Mahathir tells the Philippines
ak_rdmm_0703.jpg

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte (left) and Malaysia Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad (right) walk past a crowd during a welcome ceremony at the Malacanang Presidential Palace in Manila, Philippines, on March 7, 2019.PHOTO: EPA-EFE
PUBLISHED
MAR 7, 2019, 4:40 PM SGT
FACEBOOKTWITTER

Raul Dancel
Philippines Correspondent


MANILA - Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad cautioned the Philippines on Thursday (March 7) over falling into a "debt trap", as the country banks on China to bolster growth.

"If you borrow huge sums of money from China, and then you cannot pay, when the person is a borrower he is under the control of the lender. So, we have to be very careful about that," Tun Mahathir told ABS-CBN News.

He said countries like the Philippines should "regulate or limit influences from China".

Since coming into power last year, Dr Mahathir has repeatedly vowed to renegotiate or cancel what he calls "unfair" Chinese infrastructure deals authorised by his predecessor Najib Razak, whose near-decade long rule ended in electoral defeat amid a massive financial scandal.

The Mahathir administration is still re-negotiating the US$20 billion (S$27.14 billion) East Coast Rail Link project with China to push the cost down, nearly 10 months after his Pakatan Harapan alliance took over the Malaysian federal government.

Before that, in August last year, the Malaysian government cancelled another China-backed project, a natural gas pipeline in the East Malaysia state of Sabah.



Taking a different course, Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has been courting investors in China to help fund his US$108 billion programme to build new highways, railways, airports, piers and bridges in the next 10 years.

Malaysian PM Mahathir warns Philippines against foreigner influx[/paste:font]
Mahathir: Extremism will spread across South-east Asia, get worse in the future[/paste:font]
Mahathir in the Philippines for official visit, to discuss Mindanao peace process with Duterte[/paste:font]

Critics have warned that this pivot to China could lead to a "debt trap".

They cited the experience of Sri Lanka. China lent Sri Lanka funds to have its ports upgraded by Chinese construction companies.

When Sri Lanka could not pay back the loans, China turned them into equity, giving it ownership and control of Sri Lanka's two major ports.


Philippine Finance Secretary Carlos Dominguez said this was unlikely to happen in the Philippines.

He said Chinese loans would account for just 4.5 per cent of the country's total debts by the time Mr Duterte steps down in 2022.

He said Mr Duterte's ambitious infrastructure push would be funded mostly via new taxes and loans with "the lowest possible interests rates and the longest possible term arrangements".

Dr Mahathir also warned the Philippines against letting in a huge number of Chinese workers that could "disturb the political equations".

"We have a proper definition of what constitutes foreign direct investments. It is all about bringing in capital, technology, employing our people and improving contributions to the economy. But foreign direct investments should not involve bringing huge numbers of foreigners to live in the country because that might disturb the political equations in the country," he said.

At least 200,000 Chinese have flocked to Manila since Mr Duterte's 2016 election, many of them employed by online gaming firms that cater to Chinese players.

"So long as they are not going to be permanent residents, it is not a danger to the Philippines," Dr Mahathir said. "But if huge numbers of any foreigners come to live and stay in the country or even to influence economy, then you have to do some rethinking, whether it is good or bad or the limits that we have to impose on them."

Mr Duterte has warmly embraced China despite his nation's longstanding maritime row with Beijing over the South China Sea.

China asserts sovereignty over almost all of the resource-rich sea, with competing claims from the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Taiwan and Vietnam.

Commenting on the sea dispute, Dr Mahathir said there should be no impediment to vessels using the strategic waterway, through which trillions of dollars in global trade pass through each year.

"The most important thing is that the South China Sea in particular must be open to navigation," he said.

 
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also Mr Mahathir:

Beware of China 'debt trap', Malaysia's Mahathir tells the Philippines
ak_rdmm_0703.jpg

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte (left) and Malaysia Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad (right) walk past a crowd during a welcome ceremony at the Malacanang Presidential Palace in Manila, Philippines, on March 7, 2019.PHOTO: EPA-EFE
PUBLISHED
MAR 7, 2019, 4:40 PM SGT
FACEBOOKTWITTER

Raul Dancel
Philippines Correspondent


MANILA - Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad cautioned the Philippines on Thursday (March 7) over falling into a "debt trap", as the country banks on China to bolster growth.

"If you borrow huge sums of money from China, and then you cannot pay, when the person is a borrower he is under the control of the lender. So, we have to be very careful about that," Tun Mahathir told ABS-CBN News.

He said countries like the Philippines should "regulate or limit influences from China".

Since coming into power last year, Dr Mahathir has repeatedly vowed to renegotiate or cancel what he calls "unfair" Chinese infrastructure deals authorised by his predecessor Najib Razak, whose near-decade long rule ended in electoral defeat amid a massive financial scandal.

The Mahathir administration is still re-negotiating the US$20 billion (S$27.14 billion) East Coast Rail Link project with China to push the cost down, nearly 10 months after his Pakatan Harapan alliance took over the Malaysian federal government.

Before that, in August last year, the Malaysian government cancelled another China-backed project, a natural gas pipeline in the East Malaysia state of Sabah.



Taking a different course, Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has been courting investors in China to help fund his US$108 billion programme to build new highways, railways, airports, piers and bridges in the next 10 years.

Malaysian PM Mahathir warns Philippines against foreigner influx[/paste:font]
Mahathir: Extremism will spread across South-east Asia, get worse in the future[/paste:font]
Mahathir in the Philippines for official visit, to discuss Mindanao peace process with Duterte[/paste:font]

Critics have warned that this pivot to China could lead to a "debt trap".

They cited the experience of Sri Lanka. China lent Sri Lanka funds to have its ports upgraded by Chinese construction companies.

When Sri Lanka could not pay back the loans, China turned them into equity, giving it ownership and control of Sri Lanka's two major ports.


Philippine Finance Secretary Carlos Dominguez said this was unlikely to happen in the Philippines.

He said Chinese loans would account for just 4.5 per cent of the country's total debts by the time Mr Duterte steps down in 2022.

He said Mr Duterte's ambitious infrastructure push would be funded mostly via new taxes and loans with "the lowest possible interests rates and the longest possible term arrangements".

Dr Mahathir also warned the Philippines against letting in a huge number of Chinese workers that could "disturb the political equations".

"We have a proper definition of what constitutes foreign direct investments. It is all about bringing in capital, technology, employing our people and improving contributions to the economy. But foreign direct investments should not involve bringing huge numbers of foreigners to live in the country because that might disturb the political equations in the country," he said.

At least 200,000 Chinese have flocked to Manila since Mr Duterte's 2016 election, many of them employed by online gaming firms that cater to Chinese players.

"So long as they are not going to be permanent residents, it is not a danger to the Philippines," Dr Mahathir said. "But if huge numbers of any foreigners come to live and stay in the country or even to influence economy, then you have to do some rethinking, whether it is good or bad or the limits that we have to impose on them."

Mr Duterte has warmly embraced China despite his nation's longstanding maritime row with Beijing over the South China Sea.

China asserts sovereignty over almost all of the resource-rich sea, with competing claims from the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei, Taiwan and Vietnam.

Commenting on the sea dispute, Dr Mahathir said there should be no impediment to vessels using the strategic waterway, through which trillions of dollars in global trade pass through each year.

"The most important thing is that the South China Sea in particular must be open to navigation," he said.
I thought Mahathir had kicked out of Malaysia parliament? How can we trust an unpopular leader words for Malaysia and China?
 
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why should you post mahathir speech on F-18's if we could not trust him???o_Oo_O
Sure, maybe you want to claim Pakistanis words are also not trusted?

And you have an agenda to convince us Indonesia to go for an all US weapon equipped armed forces. True Indonesian will never agree with your words.

https://www.businesstoday.in/curren...t-airstrike-aerial-dogfight/story/391932.html

US pulls up Pakistan for misusing F-16 fighter jets against India after Balakot airstrikes, says report

If Indonesia decide to defend itself against Australia with some sea territory dispute. I am sure, US will not hesitate to side with Australia and disable support or function of Indonesia US weapon. True blue Indonesian will never want to see this happen.
 
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And you have an agenda to convince us Indonesia to go for an all US weapon equipped armed forces. True Indonesian will never agree with your words.

dude you're not Indonesian

If Indonesia decide to defend itself against Australia with some sea territory dispute. I am sure, US will not hesitate to side with Australia and disable support or function of Indonesia US weapon. True blue Indonesian will never want to see this happen.

uhh no, not in the time being with US priority is to contain and possibly defeat China, it will not go full stupid making new enemies like china did in our waters months ago.


US pulls up Pakistan for misusing F-16 fighter jets against India after Balakot airstrikes, says report
I'm sure they will not protest if we used it against the northern bully.
 
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