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Net National Wealth of top 30 nations

True, it can start with what is known about the reserves.

Anyway, it is very difficult to measure national wealth accurately. The GDP measurements etc. are also quite skewed as the same output produced by different people may be valued very differently (e.g. food cooked by a housewife vs. a hotel).

Also the famous part about both creating ad cleaning pollution contributing to GDP. These things should not be taken too seriously and too literally.


I think the way they calculated this national worth was, by adding the value of the personal fortunes less their liabilities and then adding it together. Like cash in bank accounts, stock holdings, properties, farmland etc. There are a lot of people with shady dealings so the final figure would always be more or less.
 
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Not really a list I would use myself but I can see why they dont include natural resources as they are far to unpredictable to use for wealth over a period of time, when people praise Putin for bringing a bit of wealth back to Russia when it was really just oil prices going stupidly high, they will decrease again at some point and then go high again. Russia should be higher on that list though although apart from oil maybe not.
 
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How the hell does Italy make it ahead of UK?

I think the way they calculated this national worth was, by adding the value of the personal fortunes less their liabilities and then adding it together. Like cash in bank accounts, stock holdings, properties, farmland etc. There are a lot of people with shady dealings so the final figure would always be more or less.


The OP forgot to link this part of the article:

"The following nations have reported national wealth statistics. Making meaningful comparisons is far from straightforward as the methodology in compiling them varies."

Basically, the value aside from Russia and Switzerland is the reported figure by each nation and different nations have different method to calculate national wealth.
 
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The OP forgot to link this part of the article:

"The following nations have reported national wealth statistics. Making meaningful comparisons is far from straightforward as the methodology in compiling them varies."

Basically, the value aside from Russia and Switzerland is the reported figure by each nation and different nations have different method to calculate national wealth.

Two points to this thread, and @VCheng 's questioning of the relevance.

1) Total wealth matters, not just growth rates: "Taking a broader perspective, our analysis suggests that ten generations or more have to lapse before the wealth of an individual in North America is completely independent of the wealth of their
ancestors. From a global point of view, individuals in China and India have a relatively high probability to be upwardly mobile as a result of the high economic growth in these countries." (Global Wealth Report 2013)

2) This is not about national wealth, but rather, the wealth of the people. Why did no one read the actual Credit Suisse report upon which the Wikipedia article is based? The conclusions are well-thought out and reasonable. From the very first page of the report, describing the methodology (Global Wealth Databook 2013):

We aim to provide the best available estimates of the wealth holdings of households around the
world for the period since the year 2000. To be more precise, we are interested in the
distribution within and across nations of individual net worth, defined as the marketable value of
financial assets plus non-financial assets (principally housing and land) less debts
. No country in
the world has completely reliable information on personal wealth, and for many countries there is
little direct evidence. So we are obliged to assemble and process information from a variety of
different sources.

The procedure involves three main steps, the first two of which mimic the structure followed by
Davies et al (2008, 2011). The first step establishes the average level of wealth for each
country. The best source of data for this purpose is household balance sheet (HBS) data which
are now provided by 47 countries, although 30 of these countries cover only financial assets
and debts. An additional four countries have household survey data from which wealth levels
can be calculated. Together these countries cover 66% of the global population and 95% of
total global wealth. The results are supplemented by econometric techniques which generate
estimates of the level of wealth in 161 countries which lack direct information for one or more
years.

The second step involves constructing the pattern of wealth holdings within nations. Direct data
on the distribution of wealth are available for 31 countries. Inspection of data for these countries
suggests a relationship between wealth distribution and income distribution which can be
exploited in order to provide a rough estimate of wealth distribution for 135 other countries
which have data on income distribution but not on wealth ownership.

It is well recognized that the traditional sources of wealth distribution data are unlikely to provide
an accurate picture of wealth ownership in the top-tail of the distribution. To overcome this
deficiency, the third step makes use of the information in the “Rich Lists” published by Forbes
Magazine and elsewhere to adjust the wealth distribution pattern in the highest wealth ranges.

Implementing these procedures leaves 50 countries for which it is difficult to estimate either the
level of household wealth or the distribution of wealth, or both. Usually the countries concerned
are small (e.g. Andorra, Bermuda, Guatemala, Monaco) or semi-detached from the global
economy (e.g. Afghanistan, Cuba, North Korea). For our estimates of the pattern of global
wealth, we assign these countries the average level and distribution of the region and income
class to which they belong. This is done in preference to omitting the countries altogether,
which would implicitly assume that their pattern of wealth holdings matches the world average.
However, checks indicate that excluding these nations from the global picture makes little
difference to the results.

Table 2-1 lists the 216 countries in the world along with some summary details. Note that China
and India are treated as separate regions due to the size of their populations.

The following sections describe the estimation procedures in more detail. Two other general
points should be mentioned at the outset. First, we use official exchange rates throughout to
convert currencies to our standard measure of value, which is US dollars at the time in question.
In international comparisons of consumption or income it is common to convert currencies using
“purchasing power parity” (PPP) exchange rates, which take account of local prices, especially
for non-traded services. However, in all countries a large share of personal wealth is owned by
households in the top few percentiles of the distribution, who tend to be internationally mobile
and to move their assets across borders with significant frequency. For such people, the
prevailing foreign currency rate is most relevant for international comparisons. So there is a
stronger case for using official exchange rates in studies of global wealth.

The second issue concerns the appropriate unit of analysis. A case can be made for basing the
analysis on households or families. However, personal assets and debts are typically owned (or
owed) by named individuals, and may be retained by those individuals if they leave the family.
Furthermore, even though some household assets, such as housing, provide communal
benefits, it is unusual for household members to have an equal say in the management of
assets, or to share equally in the proceeds if the asset is sold. Membership of households can
be quite fluid (for example, with respect to older children living away from home) and the pattern
of household structure varies markedly across countries. For all these reasons – plus the
practical consideration that the number of households is unknown in most countries – we prefer
to base our analysis on individuals rather than household or family units. More specifically, since
children have little formal or actual wealth ownership, we focus on wealth ownership by adults,
defined to be individuals aged 20 or above.
 
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Two points to this thread, and @VCheng 's questioning of the relevance.

There are many ways to engage in national d1ck measuring contests and this is just another one of those, despite your welcome and refreshing attempt to knock some sense into this thread.

How long before someone comes along and says that wealth is not everything, but happiness is, and trot out a few more data sets like this?

No offence intended Sir.
 
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There are many ways to engage in national d1ck measuring contests and this is just another one of those, despite your welcome and refreshing attempt to knock some sense into this thread.

How long before someone comes along and says that wealth is not everything, but happiness is, and trot out a few more data sets like this?

No offence intended Sir.

No offense taken, I just prefer an argument rooted in data, one that is quantifiable, than one based on emotion. Based on my observation of your posts, that's your position as well. It's true that there are even indices of happiness, and vague attempts to quantify well-being through indices like HDI. That said, it's far preferable that the retort cites these indices as a rebuttal rather than a dismissive shrug; if we're not here to learn, what are we doing here?

I ask myself that question with increasing frequency these days.
 
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No offense taken, I just prefer an argument rooted in data, one that is quantifiable, than one based on emotion. Based on my observation of your posts, that's your position as well. It's true that there are even indices of happiness, and vague attempts to quantify well-being through indices like HDI. That said, it's far preferable that the retort cites these indices as a rebuttal rather than a dismissive shrug; if we're not here to learn, what are we doing here?

I ask myself that question with increasing frequency these days.

Sir, it would be easy to walk away to seek out more mature fora. My problem is that I owe a debt to Pakistan, for it is the land of my birth. My conscience forces me to to keep trying to improve matters wherever I can and hence I cannot walk away.

Many good posters like you have come and thrown in the towel, asking the same question as you have posed. I am still learning here, but it is more along the lines of how to learn to teach some lovable ruffians better, not absolute knowledge. :D
 
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Sir, it would be easy to walk away to seek out more mature fora. My problem is that I owe a debt to Pakistan, for it is the land of my birth. My conscience forces me to to keep trying to improve matters wherever I can and hence I cannot walk away.

Many good posters like you have come and thrown in the towel, asking the same question as you have posed. I am still learning here, but it is more along the lines of how to learn to teach some lovable ruffians better, not absolute knowledge. :D

I have profound respect for the efforts you have put in to achieve your thankless task. I am pulling away due to boredom, but if I were subject to the level of invective that I've witnessed hurled against you, I would have left long ago. Fight the good fight, but don't let it consume you in the process; only those who want to learn can be taught, and your time may thus be more productively deployed elsewhere.

Good luck.
 
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I have profound respect for the efforts you have put in to achieve your thankless task. I am pulling away due to boredom, but if I were subject to the level of invective that I've witnessed hurled against you, I would have left long ago. Fight the good fight, but don't let it consume you in the process; only those who want to learn can be taught, and your time may thus be more productively deployed elsewhere.

Good luck.

Good advice Sir, for which I thank you. I am quite productive for my adopted homeland of USA too, in many ways, you will be happy to know. :D
 
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