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On Nawaz Sharif visit to Pakistan he will sign solar power project with a Norwegian company. I hear rumors about company in Pakistan does not even have proper license or funding as Pakistanis are claiming. If these rumors are true no one in Norway will trust Pakistan any more.
 
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On Nawaz Sharif visit to Pakistan he will sign solar power project with a Norwegian company. I hear rumors about company in Pakistan does not even have proper license or funding as Pakistanis are claiming. If these rumors are true no one in Norway will trust Pakistan any more.
Norway and a Solar Power company. That is interesting indeed I hope you guess what I am saying.
 
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Norway and a Solar Power company. That is interesting indeed I hope you guess what I am saying.

Norway is one of leading countries in solar sector. Close to Oslo there is a office complex which had visitors from China last week or so to learn about there solar project which produce almost all electricity on there own. Few ppl have installed solar system on there houses and selling electricity to national grid. Some owners of Tesla and other electricity cars have even installed solar system which they use to charge there cars with.

Where does the ban part coming from?

Pakistan goverment has banned solar projects in Pakistan. I guess only Sharif family members and its friends can setup Solar projects....
 
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Pakistan goverment has banned solar projects in Pakistan. I guess only Sharif family members and its friends can setup Solar projects....

Than its not banned!
I know during Zardari era, KESC use to send bill to houses with solar panels, for using sun energy.
 
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Than its not banned!
I know during Zardari era, KESC use to send bill to houses with solar panels, for using sun energy.

ITS BANNED. Been discused here before

Yes Zardari goverment sent bil to houses with solar power. Happened to few houses in my area. Thats most stupid thing ever heard of.
 
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Pakistan goverment has banned solar projects in Pakistan. I guess only Sharif family members and its friends can setup Solar projects....

the ban is now removed you can import Solar Panels now with 0% duty on them....

please see the 2015-16 budget
 
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the ban is now removed you can import Solar Panels now with 0% duty on them....

please see the 2015-16 budget
wow interesting when the people need it ...they ban it...when their friends come up with a company coz lets face it reality is Nooni cant fix shit in power sector...so solar are back...NEED TO BE BACK...and their friends see opportunity so lets un ban as usual doing favours for others instead of behaving as a public servant!
 
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Norway is one of leading countries in solar sector. Close to Oslo there is a office complex which had visitors from China last week or so to learn about there solar project which produce almost all electricity on there own. Few ppl have installed solar system on there houses and selling electricity to national grid. Some owners of Tesla and other electricity cars have even installed solar system which they use to charge there cars with.
I thought Norway produce most of its Electricity from Oil and Solar Energy doesnt have much scope in Norway because in Winters Norway receive very short Duration of Sunlight and this kind of energy might not be effective for Norway. Good to know about it.
 
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ITS BANNED. Been discused here before

Yes Zardari goverment sent bil to houses with solar power. Happened to few houses in my area. Thats most stupid thing ever heard of.
It was never banned... was incorrectly reported in express tribune, may be from anti-government author but it did not reflect anywhere in the government's policy. That stand-alone article was published in express tribune and the following weeks the government was in talk about future proposals of solar powered energy projects. In fact they somewhat giving preference to it in private sector by removing duties and making easy to follow rules for importing such panels from China and abroad.
 
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wow interesting when the people need it ...they ban it...when their friends come up with a company coz lets face it reality is Nooni cant fix shit in power sector...so solar are back...NEED TO BE BACK...and their friends see opportunity so lets un ban as usual doing favours for others instead of behaving as a public servant!

there was a news off Banning them but it was not banned you can see many shops in Pakistan selling Solar Panels and most people are buying them specially Private Sector Buildings went to Karachi before Ramadan and there were many solar panels installed on Area near Port Qasim and Karachi Port Gulbai Shershah SITE area with wind mills....

Mostly people are buying Solar panels and small wind mills to Charge their UPS and solar Geysers
 
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there was a news off Banning them but it was not banned you can see many shops in Pakistan selling Solar Panels and most people are buying them specially Private Sector Buildings went to Karachi before Ramadan and there were many solar panels installed on Area near Port Qasim and Karachi Port Gulbai Shershah SITE area with wind mills....

Mostly people are buying Solar panels and small wind mills to Charge their UPS and solar Geysers
The news of banning solar panels was not for private sector... they are not selling opium but solar panels
 
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Pakistan should forget about solar power. Solar power for homes is good but Pakistan should invest in hydro, thar coal, nuke etc power plants.
 
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Pakistan goverment has banned solar projects in Pakistan. I guess only Sharif family members and its friends can setup Solar projects....

There may have been talks about doing so but I haven't read anything conclusive to state that any such ban took place.

I don't think anyone is going to stand in the way of a private enterprise or civilians from purchasing solar power or trying to setup small or large scale solar projects.

However, I object to the government investing in solar power generation or purchasing electricity from IPP's utilizing solar power if it isn't competitive with power generation rates from Thar lignite (i.e. 3.3 Rs/KWh) or production of electricity from domestic unconventional/conventional natural deposits.

Here is a figure of levelized costs of electricity produced from different sources of energy including Solar and Lignite in Germany:

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Levelized costs take into consideration capital costs of the power plant, O&M costs, fuel costs, etc... and what the end rate needs to be in order to make the money back. Utility scale PV (Photovoltaic aka solar) is anywhere from double to almost triple the cost of producing electricity from lignite in Germany.

The "State of Industry Report" for 2014 released by NEPRA which stated the Pakistani government offering a total levelized costs for wind energy of 16.3063 (South Region) to 17.006 (North Region) US cents/KWh. This is even more expensive than onshore wind projects in Germany.

NEPRA also published the tariffs for the 100 MW Quaid-e-Azam Solar power project back in 2014 citing that the levelized tariff for the project would be 14.1516 US cents/KWh. I've seen other posts which cited other proposed projects with levelized tarrifs just as bad.
http://www.nepra.org.pk/Tariff/IPPs/002 Solar IPPs/Quaid-e-Azam Solar/Decision of Quaid-e-Azam Solar Power (Private) Limited for Unconditional Acceptance of Upfront Tariff Solar.pdf

This is totally absurd and completely uneconomical in comparison to the tariff rates cited for hydro, lignite and natural gas generation particularly if we use domestic sources of fuel and develop these ourselves.

Now you can make the argument that we also need to look at other factors like energy and electricity elasticity in Pakistan and expected tax revenues projected from the production of said solar energy to see if it would be worthwhile regardless of the increased costs. However in light of current circumstances and the absence of necessary tax collection occurring I don't see this happening and all that's going to wind up happening is the government will increasingly lose whatever little revenue it collects the more of these projects go up which takes away from investment in other industries that could have instead produced increased revenues for the government.

Regardless, what I'm trying to highlight is the fact that it's clear renewable aren't the answer for Pakistan right now.

Pakistan should forget about solar power. Solar power for homes is good but Pakistan should invest in hydro, thar coal, nuke etc power plants.

I completely agree but my main focus would be on Thar's lignite and our conventional/unconventional natural gas deposits.

To demonstrate the economic viability of the Thar lignite project Pakistan had RWE AG (Germany's largest lignite mining and lignite energy producer who are also the same guys that designed and built those massive bucket wheel excavators like Bagger 293) actually come to Pakistan and do a bankable feasibility assessment for a small part of block I who confirmed through their own drilling that the small area they covered had about 400 million tons of lignite in place, that a 1000MW thermal power plant lasting about 30 years would need 180 million tons of lignite during its lifetime and based on the 8:1 stripping ratio Pakistan could produce electricity from that lignite at a cost of about 3,300 Rs/MWh (or 3.3 Rs/KWh).
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/...Events/Mineral-Sector/BankableFeasibility.pdf

Everything states that solar and wind are completely uneconomical in Pakistan.

As for Hydro my view is that, as of right now, we should instead be concentrating on refilling depleted aquifers across Pakistan allowing not a drop of freshwater to discharge into the Arabian Sea which I believe will actually be a cheaper alternative to building dams and the money could go towards investment into electricity production from Thar lignite and natural gas (both unconventional and conventional sources). Hydro has a number of issues like capacity factor (about 50% last I checked based on US EIA figures citing Pakistan) because the bulk of the water that flows down the Indus and tributaries appears during the Monsoon season. Instead what I see is the need for consistent, cheap and dependable year round base load power generation which my view is only going to come from domestic Thar lignite and natural gas. Though this also depends on any future flooding we may expect like in 2010 during which a lot of the damage could have been avoided had it not been for the PPP, MQM, ANP, etc... continued opposition to Kalabagh Dam.

However, I'm not as averse to Hydro projects as I am to solar and wind.

I'm not in favor of Nuclear right now for a few reasons but primarily because these power plants can take years (5 to 7) to put up before they're operational and they have high upfront costs while the government doesn't appear to be willing to collect the necessary revenue to support building them. I definitely believe that we will need nuclear power in the future but I can't see it being feasible right now.

when their friends come up with a company coz lets face it reality is Nooni cant fix shit in power sector

He can fix the power crisis but the reality is that neither he, nor any of the political parties with the exception of the PTI, are going to resolve anything or willing to do what needs to be done. Instead they're too busy selling out the country and its interests to the US.

I've commented on this issue before that Musharraf, Zardari and now Nawaz operate on the same failed neo-liberal economic policy that has continually hampered growth Pakistan is capable of. Though obviously Musharraf was clearly far better at managing the economy, and the PPP under Zardari the absolute worst, his development model was flawed and unsustainable.

In fact NEPRA's own "State of the Industry Report" for 2014 which I linked to an above post outright confirms that the power crisis will get worse through 2016 and wasn't set to end until 2020 but that itself was based on the materialization of a host of projects including the Gaddani power project which was cancelled and small scale hydro projects in KP (which I have not heard anything which isn't surprising in light of news articles I've read citing that the government was withholding development funding or the province) that would have contributed to a bulk of the necessary installed capacity required to meet domestic needs.

Without someone raising the necessary tax revenue to get the funding needed to invest in power generation utilizing domestic lignite and both conventional/unconventional natural gas deposits the power crisis is there to stay. We're also going to need to raise import barriers which appear to have been taken down back in '99 and very likely cancel the FTA with China which has lead to a 50% increase in our trade deficit with China all all of which is killing domestic industry.

However, there are specific reasons why I don't see any of the political parties or even military rule doing this. Aside from the PTI I can't imagine a single party doing Pakistan any good.
 
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