Nawaz Shareef agreement with Govt ( view)

[Bull]

Offcourse we are bunch of 160 million nation and we are notweak as it may look to you as you may always percieve us from pathetic bollywood point of view!!!! so i would always suggest you to stop day dreaming brother!!!!! bolllywood is just one cheap sort of entertainment which is full of people who are distracted and illusioned by there own fame!!!!!!!

From where did bollywodd come in?

 

[HAIDER]

Emergence of Justice Party.....more decisions are coming against Mushi....watch and see.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I would not be so dead set against the return of Nawaz and BB if they were to actually give up any desire to run for premier a third time and accept the two term restrictions. They could still run for the NA or senate. It would allow for diversity of leadership and ideas, and also assuage the concerns of a lot of Pakistanis who have not forgotten the corruption, mismanagement and complete disrespect for the law and courts, that these same people are extolling currently in their desire to get back into power, that occurred in both of their previous turns in office.

 

[haviZsultan]

Let Nawaz drown... i still remember his corruption, stupid nationalization schemes. Our economy under him was on the verge of collapse due to his cheap management of the country! He was ready to let a plane full of more than 250 people go down! He is not a leader! He came to steal from our country and we should do anything to deny the idiot the right of ruling us again! I would also say the same thing about B.Bhutto.... they were both born on the same tree nawaz and bhutto!

 

[Averroes]

seriously, how stupid are our fellow pakistanis? if the majority do elect him then I guess the nation deserves to suffer.

 

[Lahori paa jee]

Could you elaborate on the policies of, say the PML-N, to bring about change in the country? What sort of economic policy are they going to pursue? How will they reform the police? How do they plan to extend basic services to the people in the country? I am getting a little tired of listening to "Democracy will change the country". Only sound policy brings about changes. What are the policies of the PML-N? If I remember correctly, they voted against the Womens Bill. That action was not a very good example of tolerance and equal rights now was it?

Oh and by the way, whose party workers rampaged and ransacked the SC premises during the last NS government?

Nothing changed after the military coup 1999 and Musharrafs policies are nothing but a continuation of Nawaz Sharifs reforms

Well think again. PPP voted in favour of the so called women protection bill and PML-N abstained as they wanted some amendments.

Oh and by the way who were those ultimately held responsible for that so called attack on supreme court. Namely Mushahid Hussain Syed, Tariq Aziz and Nilofar Bakhtiyar. All of them are in Musharrafs party two are senators and ones wife is MNA.

 

[niaz]

IMO this debate is going tangentially. Supreme Court decision is correct. No court of a country can deny the national to come to his homeland. This is one's birth right. You can jail or even hang the person, but you cannot deny him/her to enter his/her country of origin.

The question to ask is:

Did the Sharifs ask any one to approach the Saudi Royal family to intercede on their behalf. If they did; did they agree that if they are set free; ( their sentence was pardonned by the President Rafiq Tarar at the recommendation of Musharraf; then CEO of Pakistan) some members of their family will not return to Pakistan or take part in politics for 10 years.??
IMO Sharifs did all of the above and unlike others such as Asif Zardari, chose not to undergo rigors of the prison for any length of time.

Now they appear to be going back on their word. Good Heavens! is there no such thing as honour any more??. Does an agreed promise hold any value at all??

Naturally, it appears that Sharifs and their supporters dont give a hoot to broken promises. Is this the kind of man we want to see at the helm of our country?. I wouldnt say so, but who am I, people gets what they deserve.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Nothing changed after the military coup 1999 and Musharrafs policies are nothing but a continuation of Nawaz Sharifs reforms

Well think again. PPP voted in favour of the so called women protection bill and PML-N abstained as they wanted some amendments.

Oh and by the way who were those ultimately held responsible for that so called attack on supreme court. Namely Mushahid Hussain Syed, Tariq Aziz and Nilofar Bakhtiyar. All of them are in Musharrafs party two are senators and ones wife is MNA.

It would be more appropriate to suggest that Musharraf's policies are a continuation of the policies implemented by Shahid Burkis caretaker administration. That Nawaz could still not manage anything close to the growth rates achieved under Musharraf is testament to which leader was more able in implementing those policies.

The people responsible for the attack were a part of the PML-N and this occurred during a time of tension between NS and the judiciary. Pointing fingers at their current party does not absolve NS from the actions undertaken by his party members under his watch.

Members of the Pakistan Muslim League-N, a PPP ally in the Alliance for the Restoration of Democracy, spoke with the MMA against the bill but abstained from the walkout as well as the voice vote,......

....In what looked another attempt to ditch the bill, opposition leader and MMA secretary-general Maulana Fazlur Rehman called for postponing the vote after his denunciation of the bill as a `shameful’ attempt to alter the teachings of the Quran and Sunnah and to turn "Pakistan into a free sex zone"

Some respite for women, at last: Protection of rights bill gets through NA -DAWN - Top Stories; November 16, 2006

So did the PML-N "support" the MMA in its declaration of the Bill creating a "free sex zone"? I am curious, what amendments did they want? The Bill was a compromise between the demands for a complete repeal of hudood and those of the MMA and others. Yet the PML-N "abstained".

But this is going off topic so I'll refrain from pursuing the issue further. NS has been allowed to return and it remains to be seen what his "guarantors" have to say about his "word" to stay away for ten years.

It will also be interesting to see whether Musharraf can legally overturn the remission of his sentence.

 

[aziz raza]

I donot know it is right or wrong

 

[salman nedian]

(By Lahori paa jee)Nothing changed after the military coup 1999 and Musharrafs policies are nothing but a continuation of Nawaz Sharifs reforms

Nawaz Sharif launched "Qarz Utaro Mulk Sanwaro" scheme. where did all the money went? in his stomach?

Great reforms he introduced.

 

[Cheetah786]

IMO this debate is going tangentially. Supreme Court decision is correct. No court of a country can deny the national to come to his homeland. This is one's birth right. You can jail or even hang the person, but you cannot deny him/her to enter his/her country of origin.

The question to ask is:

Did the Sharifs ask any one to approach the Saudi Royal family to intercede on their behalf. If they did; did they agree that if they are set free; ( their sentence was pardonned by the President Rafiq Tarar at the recommendation of Musharraf; then CEO of Pakistan) some members of their family will not return to Pakistan or take part in politics for 10 years.??
IMO Sharifs did all of the above and unlike others such as Asif Zardari, chose not to undergo rigors of the prison for any length of time.

Now they appear to be going back on their word. Good Heavens! is there no such thing as honour any more??. Does an agreed promise hold any value at all??

Naturally, it appears that Sharifs and their supporters dont give a hoot to broken promises. Is this the kind of man we want to see at the helm of our country?. I wouldnt say so, but who am I, people gets what they deserve.

Sir you want Honor from MIan engine chore.

Most of there supporters are thief's and are running out of money they robbed from Pakistan and in desperate need for him to come back so they can replenish there bank accounts.

 

[Cheetah786]

Lahori paa jee;95890]Nothing changed after the military coup 1999 and Musharrafs policies are nothing but a continuation of Nawaz Sharifs reforms

I cant come up with answer for this one as i cant stop laughing.

 

[BATMAN]

Undertaking
Pakistan News Service - PakTribune

Sir Winston Churchill when asked, defined a successful politician as one who would promise all to his voters before the elections and explain after the elections as to why those can not be done. Rescinding from the verbal statements – BB denying any meeting with Musharraf and then owning it later – is quite an expected and familiar trait of our politicians but disowning blatantly a written and signed undertaking is something different. There are no two opinions about the verdict of the SC that a citizen under the constitution cannot be debarred from returning to his/her country. Period. But what about the citizen him/herself who has/had given such an undertaking to a third country? Is he/she not morally bound to honour the commitment made? One cannot help observe the following in this regard:-


1. The Sharif brothers aided by the media have been all along playing upon the words to befool the naïve and in that they had vehemently denied of having entered into any ‘deal’ with the government. However, never once they mentioned about the Undertaking that they had signed and which was instrumental in their release from the prison and for their ‘requested’ deportation to Saudi Arabia.

2. The media too, God alone knows whether out of ignorance, which is more likely, or out of malice, have been misleading the gullible that there were no signatures of the ‘other’ party on the document signed by the Sharif brothers. I hope by now they know that an undertaking is signed ONLY by the party binding itself to carry out certain acts during the period mentioned in the undertaking – ten years in this case.

3. The undertaking which is alive prohibits Sharif brothers from:

(i) Returning to Pakistan before 10 years.

(ii) Taking part in Pakistan politics in any form. Violated by both brothers for the last year or so - ever since they were out of the Saudi Arabia. Surprisingly they never uttered a word on politics for 6 years that they were in the Saudi Arabia.

(iii) Carrying out any business, which was reportedly flouted by them by establishing a steel concern in Saudi Arabia and violating the law of that land by importing certain materials from Israel, which was disapprovingly noticed by the govt. of the S.A.

(iv) Not proceeding to any other country without permission and then returning to the S.A. for stay. Again violated by N.S. who was permitted on humanitarian grounds by Musharraf to proceed to London to see his ‘ailing’ son more than a year ago and did not return to the S.A. As far as the son’s illness in concerned one has not heard about it in the media. And, allowing Shahbaz Sharif to proceed to USA for the treatment of his eyes.

4. If the undertaking was not the most basic and a pivotal part of the tripartite deal through a Saudi intermediary – whether verbal or written – with the govt. of Pakistan (read Musharraf) then how come that the Sharif brothers including almost all members of their family agreed to take abode in Saudi Arabia, not utter a word against their deportation or move an injunction in any court of Pakistan against it and abide by the terms of the undertaking for seven long years, till they managed to ‘escape’ out of S.A. to London on one pretext or the other?

5. How come they had agreed to surrender part of their huge assets, properties and big business concerns to the govt. as plea deals and had left behind Hamza Shahbaz (as a guarantor) to execute the legal deeds, if there was no deal between them and the government?

6. Though the undertaking warrants not to disclose the identity of the foreign ‘Guarantor’ or the name of the country the Sharif brothers chose to live in yet, it is no more a secret. Arabs by nature, particularly the Royalty, have great regard for their word and pledges and they expect the same from others in return. They would as such want Sharif brothers not to do anything which could lower their prestige in the eyes of the world. Alternately, the consequences could be anything - even undermining the Pak Saudi relations – if they suspect the govt. of Pakistan ‘acquiescing’ in the matter even inadvertently.

Since the undertaking was an instrument of trust between the three parties, of which one enjoys the most venerable religious status in Islamic ummah, why not look at the undertaking under the light of Islamic Law? Is an undertaking not equivalent of a promise or a pledge? If yes, would its contravention, violation, infringement or betrayal not amount to ‘ahd shikani’? And, how does Islam view Ahd Shikani? I think the matter deserves a verdict from the Muftis as well as the Islamic Shariat Court of Pakistan.

Truly

Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)

 

[BATMAN]

I’m surprise no (newly free) media has till today asked Sharif brothers as to why did they denied of any written agreement earlier? Is lying also part of their politics?
I’m also surprised on the decision of SC, which totally ignored the previous court verdicts against them and the circumstances of their travel and stay abroad. Why did only after 7 years Sharif & co. decided to refer to Pakistani courts?
If we look events history of Sharif brothers, we find them highly distrustful, incompetent and hypocrite.
In all their past rules, they failed to deliver any good to the Pakistan and its people. Instead they lead the state to bankruptcy and crippling of state institutions icl. Judiciary, army and presidential office. Sharif's rule also resulted in isolating Pakistan from whole world.
N. Sharif amended the state laws and become eternal ruler of Pakistan and created his personal military guard.
Sharif brothers failed to honor there agreement with Saudi Arabia.
They deceived Saudi government first time when they started political activity in Saudi Arabia, second time when they seeked the permission to travel to UK for medical reasons.
Now, if they ever traveled to Pakistan before the expiry of agreed term, than this would be third time where they will be openly disregarding Saudi help. Situation is so grave that Saudis do not wish to talk to them directly any more.
I will also never forget the day when N.Sharif went to US during Kargil war despite all the existing sanctions and there he submitted to US wishes unilaterally in exchange for a photo session with Clinton.

 

[niaz]

Hon Batman,

Now you know what 'Realpolitik' really is. It is the art of fooling all the people all the time. You connive, make promises and break the same when it suits you. Politics is a dirty game because the rewards are great.

The reason why Pakistan has not progressed because we have had no 'Statesman' after the great Quaid. Instead we had a repetition of "Twiddledee for Twiddledum". There have been no doubt some intelligent leaders such as ZAB, but he was also intolerant of any dissention.

As long as we have this dearth of goodmen or "Qahte Rajjaal", history will keep on repeating itself.