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Navy: Super Hornet rep for problems untrue
Corps may be responsible for bad rap
By Christopher P. Cavas - Staff writer
Posted : Sunday Jun 17, 2007 9:09:10 EDT
NAVAL AIR STATION PATUXENT RIVER, Md. Inside Naval Air Systems Command headquarters at this southern Maryland base, Navy program officials for the F/A-18 Super Hornet strike fighter program have heard the stories circulating in the Pentagon.
Their aircraft, the stories go, cant carry certain weapons, cant fly high enough, cant go fast enough. Design problems such as wing flutter plague the plane and perhaps worst of all parts that will wear out fast enough to severely shorten the planes life-span are not being replaced.
Theres just one problem with the stories, say the Navy officials: None of them is true.
Were really scratching our heads, thinking, Whats going on? Super Hornet program manager Navy Capt. Don Gaddis said.
So whos spreading these stories about the Super Hornet?
The answer, which surprised some program officials: the Marine Corps which isnt even part of the Super Hornet program.
The Corps plans to replace its aging Hornets and AV-8B Harrier jump jets with the F-35B short-takeoff-or-vertical-landing version of the Joint Strike Fighter.
So why do the Marines even care about the Super Hornet?
The Marines seem to be trying to discredit the Super Hornet as a way of heading off efforts to cut their purchase of the STOVL JSF, said Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute think tank in Washington.
If JSF is delayed, said naval analyst Norman Polmar, the Marines will be forced to buy Super Hornet, which will leave them with nothing to operate off amphibious ships.
The STOVL JSF for the Marines isnt set to enter service until 2012 at the earliest. The Corps, unlike the Navy, is strongly committed to the new strike fighter and is eagerly anticipating an all-STOVL aviation strike force.
But the JSF program has suffered several delays, and in contrast to the Marines, neither the Pentagon the Navy and Air Force also will fly the plane nor Congress seem to have a sense of urgency about keeping the program on schedule and getting the aircraft into service.
The Marines are afraid that if their plane is struck by further delays, they wont be able to buy new JSFs fast enough to replace their aging strike aircraft, and they might need something else to bridge the gap between new planes and old. Into that gap, the Marines fear, could fly the Super Hornet. And for each new F/A-18 the Marines get, thats likely one less STOVL JSF.
Weve had this vision for a long time to be an all-STOVL force, said Marine Brig. Gen. Robert Walsh, deputy assistant commandant for aviation.
Were a swing force, where we can go expeditionary, land on a big runway at a major operating base, Walsh said June 7 in his Pentagon office. We can go smaller runway, [conduct] dispersed, distributed operations. We can go on amphibious shipping, we can go on large aircraft carrier decks. We can pretty much go everywhere with the flexibility the JSF STOVL brings.
The aircraft the Marines are most worried about replacing sooner rather than later are the Harriers and the two-seat F/A-18D Hornets, Walsh said.
Our F/A-18A+ and F/A-18C Hornets arent in that bad shape, he said. But were watching them very closely because weve got hour and fatigue limits on those aircraft.
The high operations tempo for all aircraft in recent years has caused some stress between us and the Navy, Walsh said. Theres pressure there in how you reduce the strike fighter shortfall.
F/A-18 Super Hornets already are flying with the Navy the single-seat F/A-18E replaced older Hornet aircraft and the two-seat F/A-18F replaced the fleets F-14 Tomcats. A new two-seat EA-18G electronics countermeasure version of the aircraft is due to begin operational evaluation next year.
Three versions of the F-35 JSF are being developed F-35A for the Air Force, F-35B STOVL for the Marines and the British Royal Navy, and the F-35C carrier version for the Navy. But the $276 billion program the largest single program in the defense budget also is a fat target for budget cutters, and worries persist that the program will continue to suffer delays.
Hence, the Marines are worried about being sucked into the Super Hornet program, to the detriment of their JSFs.
Problems spark déjà vu
Several unofficial briefings and papers listing alleged defects in Super Hornets have circulated for at least a year inside the Pentagon. Some have been leaked to the media, including Military Times.
The Marines officially disavow the materials.
Unofficial, unendorsed and old briefs are nothing more than opinions which may have been used to make decisions on which direction Marine aviation was headed long ago. They do not represent the one position that matters: the Marine Corps official position, which is: The F-35B represents the centerpiece of Marine Corps aviation, and this is supported by the program of record, said Maj. Eric Dent, a Marine spokesman.
Still, the allegations continue to make the rounds. A recent story in the Boston Globe about one of the alleged problems sent program officials hurrying to Capitol Hill to reassure Congress there were no serious issues with the aircraft.
This is déjà vu, Gaddis said from NavAir. Some of those things theyre digging up are literally 12 to 15 years old.
Gaddis and his team actually have a game plan for each time the issues reappear.
Every so often, about every two or three years, these questions come up. We can answer pretty much anything you want answered, he said.
Widespread enthusiasm for the Super Hornet throughout the naval aviation community belies the alleged problems with the aircraft. The Boeing-built twin-engine jet, a development of the original McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet, deployed in 2002. Originally intended as a stopgap measure between the demise of the old A-6 Intruder and failed A-12 replacement and the JSF, the Super Hornet has legions of admirers despite some shortcomings. With the APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array radar installed in new aircraft, the Navy is even more enthusiastic.
By any measure reliability, availability, flexibility, bombs dropped, accuracy we exceeded the F/A-18Cs in expectations across the board, said Capt. Jeffrey Penfield, head of air-to-air missile systems for NAVAIR.
Penfield, who commanded Strike Fighter Squadron 115 during the 2003 invasion of Iraq and wrote the operational evaluation for the Super Hornet, is adamant in his support for the aircraft.
It went beyond expectation, he declared. It knocked the ball out of the park.
Debunking the claims
Gaddis, Penfield and the Super Hornet team at NavAir addressed numerous alleged issues with the aircraft.
* Claim: There is still manageable wing flutter with the aircraft and the wing drop problem persists.
Rebuttal: We do not have a flutter problem with this airplane and have never had a flutter problem, declared Gaddis. The only thing we can think of is they are getting it confused with the old wing drop problem. That was solved.
NAVAIR engineers noted that wing drop and wing flutter are different phenomena. Flutter, explained engineer Mike Masse, is a self-excited oscillation basically, vibrations that cause aircraft instability. There are no stability problems or restrictions on F/A-18 E/F, he said.
The well-publicized wing drop problem discovered during flight tests in 1997 was entirely different, Super Hornet chief engineer Ed Hovanesian said.
Its a momentary loss [of lift] on one wing, he said, causing a quick roll-off in a specific portion of the flight envelope.
Although a slight vibration dubbed residual lateral activity remains, a series of fixes essentially solved the problem by 1999, he said.
Now, as you pull the airplane, you get a little bit of lateral oscillation that is only there from 7.8 to 8.1 degrees [angle of attack], he said. You can pull a little bit harder and its gone. You can pull a little bit less and its gone.
Many pilots notice no effect at all, he said.
The most important thing about it, Hovanesian added, is it did not cause any task abandonment at all.
* Claim: The wing drop led to the weapons pylons being canted outboard six degrees, causing increased wear on weapons and severely cutting their ability to acquire a target before launch.
Rebuttal: Canting the pylons is totally different, Gaddis said. Its not related [to wing drop] in any form.
Thats been a myth for about 12 to 14 years, he said.
We never flew the aircraft with straight pylons, Hovanesian said.
Rather, they pointed out, the cant was developed to ensure proper weapons separation as bombs and missiles are launched from the aircraft. Super Hornets have three weapons stations under each wing, compared with two on the older Hornets, and a four-degree outboard cant was developed to increase the distance between weapons.
One by one, the team debunked the other allegations. Missiles are not showing excessive wear due to the cant, they said. There are no unusual weight, speed or altitude limitations with a combat-loaded aircraft. The [F/A-18C] with a full load has the same limitations in altitude and speed, Penfield said, while the Super Hornet has no problems carrying its top-rated full load of 66,000 pounds.
The airplane launches at 66,000 all the time, he said.
A claim that weight restriction problems extend to the new EA-18G Growler also was brushed aside. Test aircraft have flown with five ALQ-99 electronic warfare pods weighing about 1,000 pounds each, Gaddis said.
There are no restrictions for carrying certain weapons, the team said, other than weapons that have not yet gone through a certification process.
Another claim says the aircraft cannot go supersonic while carrying a full weapons load.
True enough, Penfield said the aircraft wasnt designed for that.
Critics also claim delivery of weapons pylons is two years behind schedule and not enough pylons are available, limiting training for the Super Hornets.
The idea about being two years late on pylon delivery is just not true, Gaddis said.
Early aircraft were delivered with no pylons due to a previous $440 million budget cut, he said, but the issue was resolved a few years ago with more funding.
We were in catch-up mode, he said, until supply caught up with demand about two years ago.
Gaddis and Hovanesian scoffed at claims that not enough pylons are available for training.
Why carry six bombs when you can just carry one for training? Hovanesian said. Its just cost.
The Boston Globe article reported that failure of some parts could cause the aircrafts planned 6,000-flight-hour life to be limited to 3,000 hours. That was probably one of the most egregious statements in the article, he said.
The problem referred to in the article would have shortened the planes lives, but it has been solved, Gaddis said.
We found it early on and a redesigned part already is being installed on new aircraft, he said, with a retrofit planned for earlier aircraft long before they reach any flight-hour limitations.
Back in Washington, no one knows whether the Marines will be forced to buy Super Hornets.
Rear Adm. Bruce Clingan, director of the Navys Air Warfare Division in the Pentagon, said June 4 there are no plans to integrate the aircraft into Marine Corps aviation.
Walsh noted that even if the Marines F/A-18Cs and A+ models wear out before they can be replaced with F-35Bs, Navy F/A-18Cs replaced by Super Hornets could be used by the Marines until more STOVLs are available.
We cant have a big huge beast, Walsh said about the need for STOVL JSF. We need a small footprint.
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Corps may be responsible for bad rap
By Christopher P. Cavas - Staff writer
Posted : Sunday Jun 17, 2007 9:09:10 EDT
NAVAL AIR STATION PATUXENT RIVER, Md. Inside Naval Air Systems Command headquarters at this southern Maryland base, Navy program officials for the F/A-18 Super Hornet strike fighter program have heard the stories circulating in the Pentagon.
Their aircraft, the stories go, cant carry certain weapons, cant fly high enough, cant go fast enough. Design problems such as wing flutter plague the plane and perhaps worst of all parts that will wear out fast enough to severely shorten the planes life-span are not being replaced.
Theres just one problem with the stories, say the Navy officials: None of them is true.
Were really scratching our heads, thinking, Whats going on? Super Hornet program manager Navy Capt. Don Gaddis said.
So whos spreading these stories about the Super Hornet?
The answer, which surprised some program officials: the Marine Corps which isnt even part of the Super Hornet program.
The Corps plans to replace its aging Hornets and AV-8B Harrier jump jets with the F-35B short-takeoff-or-vertical-landing version of the Joint Strike Fighter.
So why do the Marines even care about the Super Hornet?
The Marines seem to be trying to discredit the Super Hornet as a way of heading off efforts to cut their purchase of the STOVL JSF, said Loren Thompson of the Lexington Institute think tank in Washington.
If JSF is delayed, said naval analyst Norman Polmar, the Marines will be forced to buy Super Hornet, which will leave them with nothing to operate off amphibious ships.
The STOVL JSF for the Marines isnt set to enter service until 2012 at the earliest. The Corps, unlike the Navy, is strongly committed to the new strike fighter and is eagerly anticipating an all-STOVL aviation strike force.
But the JSF program has suffered several delays, and in contrast to the Marines, neither the Pentagon the Navy and Air Force also will fly the plane nor Congress seem to have a sense of urgency about keeping the program on schedule and getting the aircraft into service.
The Marines are afraid that if their plane is struck by further delays, they wont be able to buy new JSFs fast enough to replace their aging strike aircraft, and they might need something else to bridge the gap between new planes and old. Into that gap, the Marines fear, could fly the Super Hornet. And for each new F/A-18 the Marines get, thats likely one less STOVL JSF.
Weve had this vision for a long time to be an all-STOVL force, said Marine Brig. Gen. Robert Walsh, deputy assistant commandant for aviation.
Were a swing force, where we can go expeditionary, land on a big runway at a major operating base, Walsh said June 7 in his Pentagon office. We can go smaller runway, [conduct] dispersed, distributed operations. We can go on amphibious shipping, we can go on large aircraft carrier decks. We can pretty much go everywhere with the flexibility the JSF STOVL brings.
The aircraft the Marines are most worried about replacing sooner rather than later are the Harriers and the two-seat F/A-18D Hornets, Walsh said.
Our F/A-18A+ and F/A-18C Hornets arent in that bad shape, he said. But were watching them very closely because weve got hour and fatigue limits on those aircraft.
The high operations tempo for all aircraft in recent years has caused some stress between us and the Navy, Walsh said. Theres pressure there in how you reduce the strike fighter shortfall.
F/A-18 Super Hornets already are flying with the Navy the single-seat F/A-18E replaced older Hornet aircraft and the two-seat F/A-18F replaced the fleets F-14 Tomcats. A new two-seat EA-18G electronics countermeasure version of the aircraft is due to begin operational evaluation next year.
Three versions of the F-35 JSF are being developed F-35A for the Air Force, F-35B STOVL for the Marines and the British Royal Navy, and the F-35C carrier version for the Navy. But the $276 billion program the largest single program in the defense budget also is a fat target for budget cutters, and worries persist that the program will continue to suffer delays.
Hence, the Marines are worried about being sucked into the Super Hornet program, to the detriment of their JSFs.
Problems spark déjà vu
Several unofficial briefings and papers listing alleged defects in Super Hornets have circulated for at least a year inside the Pentagon. Some have been leaked to the media, including Military Times.
The Marines officially disavow the materials.
Unofficial, unendorsed and old briefs are nothing more than opinions which may have been used to make decisions on which direction Marine aviation was headed long ago. They do not represent the one position that matters: the Marine Corps official position, which is: The F-35B represents the centerpiece of Marine Corps aviation, and this is supported by the program of record, said Maj. Eric Dent, a Marine spokesman.
Still, the allegations continue to make the rounds. A recent story in the Boston Globe about one of the alleged problems sent program officials hurrying to Capitol Hill to reassure Congress there were no serious issues with the aircraft.
This is déjà vu, Gaddis said from NavAir. Some of those things theyre digging up are literally 12 to 15 years old.
Gaddis and his team actually have a game plan for each time the issues reappear.
Every so often, about every two or three years, these questions come up. We can answer pretty much anything you want answered, he said.
Widespread enthusiasm for the Super Hornet throughout the naval aviation community belies the alleged problems with the aircraft. The Boeing-built twin-engine jet, a development of the original McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet, deployed in 2002. Originally intended as a stopgap measure between the demise of the old A-6 Intruder and failed A-12 replacement and the JSF, the Super Hornet has legions of admirers despite some shortcomings. With the APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array radar installed in new aircraft, the Navy is even more enthusiastic.
By any measure reliability, availability, flexibility, bombs dropped, accuracy we exceeded the F/A-18Cs in expectations across the board, said Capt. Jeffrey Penfield, head of air-to-air missile systems for NAVAIR.
Penfield, who commanded Strike Fighter Squadron 115 during the 2003 invasion of Iraq and wrote the operational evaluation for the Super Hornet, is adamant in his support for the aircraft.
It went beyond expectation, he declared. It knocked the ball out of the park.
Debunking the claims
Gaddis, Penfield and the Super Hornet team at NavAir addressed numerous alleged issues with the aircraft.
* Claim: There is still manageable wing flutter with the aircraft and the wing drop problem persists.
Rebuttal: We do not have a flutter problem with this airplane and have never had a flutter problem, declared Gaddis. The only thing we can think of is they are getting it confused with the old wing drop problem. That was solved.
NAVAIR engineers noted that wing drop and wing flutter are different phenomena. Flutter, explained engineer Mike Masse, is a self-excited oscillation basically, vibrations that cause aircraft instability. There are no stability problems or restrictions on F/A-18 E/F, he said.
The well-publicized wing drop problem discovered during flight tests in 1997 was entirely different, Super Hornet chief engineer Ed Hovanesian said.
Its a momentary loss [of lift] on one wing, he said, causing a quick roll-off in a specific portion of the flight envelope.
Although a slight vibration dubbed residual lateral activity remains, a series of fixes essentially solved the problem by 1999, he said.
Now, as you pull the airplane, you get a little bit of lateral oscillation that is only there from 7.8 to 8.1 degrees [angle of attack], he said. You can pull a little bit harder and its gone. You can pull a little bit less and its gone.
Many pilots notice no effect at all, he said.
The most important thing about it, Hovanesian added, is it did not cause any task abandonment at all.
* Claim: The wing drop led to the weapons pylons being canted outboard six degrees, causing increased wear on weapons and severely cutting their ability to acquire a target before launch.
Rebuttal: Canting the pylons is totally different, Gaddis said. Its not related [to wing drop] in any form.
Thats been a myth for about 12 to 14 years, he said.
We never flew the aircraft with straight pylons, Hovanesian said.
Rather, they pointed out, the cant was developed to ensure proper weapons separation as bombs and missiles are launched from the aircraft. Super Hornets have three weapons stations under each wing, compared with two on the older Hornets, and a four-degree outboard cant was developed to increase the distance between weapons.
One by one, the team debunked the other allegations. Missiles are not showing excessive wear due to the cant, they said. There are no unusual weight, speed or altitude limitations with a combat-loaded aircraft. The [F/A-18C] with a full load has the same limitations in altitude and speed, Penfield said, while the Super Hornet has no problems carrying its top-rated full load of 66,000 pounds.
The airplane launches at 66,000 all the time, he said.
A claim that weight restriction problems extend to the new EA-18G Growler also was brushed aside. Test aircraft have flown with five ALQ-99 electronic warfare pods weighing about 1,000 pounds each, Gaddis said.
There are no restrictions for carrying certain weapons, the team said, other than weapons that have not yet gone through a certification process.
Another claim says the aircraft cannot go supersonic while carrying a full weapons load.
True enough, Penfield said the aircraft wasnt designed for that.
Critics also claim delivery of weapons pylons is two years behind schedule and not enough pylons are available, limiting training for the Super Hornets.
The idea about being two years late on pylon delivery is just not true, Gaddis said.
Early aircraft were delivered with no pylons due to a previous $440 million budget cut, he said, but the issue was resolved a few years ago with more funding.
We were in catch-up mode, he said, until supply caught up with demand about two years ago.
Gaddis and Hovanesian scoffed at claims that not enough pylons are available for training.
Why carry six bombs when you can just carry one for training? Hovanesian said. Its just cost.
The Boston Globe article reported that failure of some parts could cause the aircrafts planned 6,000-flight-hour life to be limited to 3,000 hours. That was probably one of the most egregious statements in the article, he said.
The problem referred to in the article would have shortened the planes lives, but it has been solved, Gaddis said.
We found it early on and a redesigned part already is being installed on new aircraft, he said, with a retrofit planned for earlier aircraft long before they reach any flight-hour limitations.
Back in Washington, no one knows whether the Marines will be forced to buy Super Hornets.
Rear Adm. Bruce Clingan, director of the Navys Air Warfare Division in the Pentagon, said June 4 there are no plans to integrate the aircraft into Marine Corps aviation.
Walsh noted that even if the Marines F/A-18Cs and A+ models wear out before they can be replaced with F-35Bs, Navy F/A-18Cs replaced by Super Hornets could be used by the Marines until more STOVLs are available.
We cant have a big huge beast, Walsh said about the need for STOVL JSF. We need a small footprint.
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