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Researchers say that a next step in the COVID-19 origins hunt should be to study wildlife, such as foxes and raccoon dogs, on farms in China.

Scientists are anxious to obtain more data on the earliest days of the pandemic, following three tantalizing reports posted online in the past few weeks1,2,3. Although not yet published in peer-reviewed journals, the preprints provide further evidence supporting the hypothesis that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 spread from animals to people who raised, butchered or bought them. But the reports don’t reveal exactly what happened.

The World Health Organization’s (WHO’s) Scientific Advisory Group for the Origins of Novel Pathogens (SAGO) will soon put out a report specifying studies that are urgently needed, says Maria Van Kerkhove, an epidemiologist at the WHO. A principal ask in light of the new preprints is to collect and analyse samples from farmers and wildlife at farms that supplied the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan — to which many early COVID-19 cases were traced and where coronavirus samples from January 2020 were concentrated — as well as from market vendors. The WHO made these suggestions a year ago, but the studies either haven’t been conducted or haven’t been published. The scientific community has grown frustrated with the wait as the world seeks answers to help prevent future pandemics.

Researchers in the United States, the United Kingdom and Australia who have worked closely with colleagues in China have told Nature that they’re disappointed by the slow release of information from China about COVID-19’s origins. “We are all trying to find out what the bloody hell happened, but we are hamstrung by the data available,” says Edward Holmes, a virologist at the University of Sydney in Australia and a co-author of two of the latest preprints2,3.

Some Chinese scientists say that they, too, would like to see more origin studies, but that the topic is politically sensitive. In March 2020, a directive from the Chinese government — highlighted by the Associated Press — instructed researchers at universities, companies and medical institutions to have all studies on COVID-19 vetted by government research units and then published under the direction of public opinion teams. Those who don’t follow procedures, the document warned, “shall be held accountable”.

Investigations of an outbreak’s origins usually take many years to reach a conclusion, if one is ever reached. But the scientific community fears that political barriers are holding this one up — and they’re unsure of the best way to expedite matters. Van Kerkhove says that SAGO will continue to outline the most pertinent studies needed, and to offer help with analyses. Until these happen, she warns that gaps in knowledge will allow damaging and scientifically unsupported theories to flourish. “If we don’t get the information we need,” Van Kerkhove says, “then there’s a space to fill, and people will fill that space with assumptions.”

In a recent example, pundits and officials in the United States and China have linked unsupported allegations about COVID-19’s origins to conspiracy theories about Ukrainian ‘biolabs’, says Yanzhong Huang, a specialist on China and global health at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York City. “All of these accusations poison the water and make an earnest search for answers to the origin of the pandemic even harder.”

A focus on farms​

Chinese authorities closed the Huanan market on 1 January 2020, after physicians in China reported that many of the people they were treating for a mysterious form of pneumonia had worked there or visited it soon before falling ill. Researchers in China leapt to investigate. On 22 January 2020, the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported that 33 of 585 swabs taken from around the market tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, and that these samples were concentrated in two aisles of stalls where wild animals were sold. “It is highly suspected that the current epidemic is related to the trade of wild animals,” the report said.

Investigators also collected samples from stray cats, mice and slabs of frozen and refrigerated seafood and meat, all of which tested negative for the virus. They continued to collect specimens for the next couple of months, but none seem to have been from wildlife sold at the Huanan market, or from farms that reared wildlife to be sold there for food, medicine or fur.

When an international team of researchers assembled by the WHO and the Chinese government set out to study the pandemic’s origins in China in late January 2021, they asked about wildlife farms supplying Wuhan’s markets. Chinese researchers handed the team a list of farms that included several in southern China. This is a region where a close relative of SARS-CoV-2 has been found in bats4, notes Peter Daszak, one of the researchers on the team and president of EcoHealth Alliance, a scientific organization in New York City that has collaborated on coronavirus research with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. But the team didn’t visit the farms, and Daszak was told that they hadn’t been studied because the farms were shuttered following a ban on the consumption of wild animals in February 2020.

What’s more, he says, when the team drafted a report on its investigation, some Chinese researchers and officials with China’s foreign ministry wanted to change parts of it that discussed the sale of wild animals at the Huanan market. “We went into a room at 9:30 a.m. to talk about their changes — the rule was that any unpublished evidence had to be agreed upon,” he says. “We were there until 4:30 a.m., arguing for almost 24 hours. Some people were sleeping, some had gone home.”

The final WHO report, posted in March 2021, was ambiguous over details on animals at the market — a departure from the clarity of the January 2020 notice from the Chinese CDC. The report said that “no illegal trade in wildlife has been found”, and “no verified reports of live mammals being sold around 2019 were found”. But it also referenced photographs of raccoon dogs and other live animals for sale at the Huanan market in 2014, which Holmes had submitted to the WHO team.

A few months after the report’s release, conservation biologists in China published a paper in Scientific Reports5 documenting more than 47,000 animals — including 31 protected species — that had been sold at the Huanan market and others in Wuhan as recently as November 2019. The report noted that almost all of the animals were sold alive in cages, that butchering was usually done at the market, and that many of the traded species are known to host a range of infectious diseases. “I’m very disappointed that the [WHO] group didn’t have access to that kind of information,” Van Kerkhove says.

Seeking more details, the WHO report called for studies of wildlife farms. And it recommended that blood donations collected from people between September and December 2019, and stored at the Wuhan Blood Centre, should be analysed for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2. At a press briefing in August 2021, Zeng Yixin, vice-minister of the National Health Commission in Beijing, pledged to complete the studies outlined in the WHO report. At the same time, he fiercely rejected requests by the WHO director-general to further investigate the hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 was released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

More than a year since the WHO’s recommendations, studies from wildlife farms, the Wuhan Blood Centre and Wuhan laboratories have yet to materialize. Chinese researchers involved in the WHO investigation, as well as others at the Chinese CDC, did not respond to queries from Nature about the status of the studies and why they are slow to emerge.

Attitude shift​

Ray Yip, an epidemiologist and former director of the Beijing branch of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, says that China’s approach to COVID-19 origin investigations shifted as anti-Chinese rhetoric mounted over the course of the pandemic. At first, there was former US president Donald Trump’s insistence on using anti-Asian terms for the coronavirus. “I think there was a shift in China’s attitude when they began to feel they were being humiliated or blamed for this pandemic, even though every new disease has to start somewhere,” Yip says.


Then came the unsubstantiated allegations that COVID-19 was made in a Chinese lab. Former US secretary of state Mike Pompeo said on Fox News that “a pile of evidence a hundred feet high” supported that claim. But no strong evidence for an accidental or intentional leak of SARS-CoV-2 has been put forward, and an investigation by US intelligence agencies conducted last year found that SARS-CoV-2 was unlikely to have been genetically engineered. The lack of evidence hasn’t curbed accusations, however. As a backlash, Yip says, China’s foreign ministry has promoted a baseless rumour that the virus came from a US military laboratory.

This sort of defensiveness isn’t limited to the lab-leak hypotheses, Huang says. He speculates that because tensions between China and the United States have grown, the Chinese government wants to avoid publicizing any data that might cause world leaders to blame China for the pandemic. And he suggests that China’s government might be particularly sensitive about the wildlife trade, which has been of significant cultural and economic value. Although China banned the trade and consumption of terrestrial wildlife in 2020, he and other researchers say that enforcement is difficult and demand remains high. According to a Chinese Academy of Engineering report, the legal wildlife industry in China was worth more than US$78 billion in 2016.

Nonetheless, Yip suggests that researchers in China might be quietly continuing to study COVID-19’s origins, releasing reports only once they’ve gone through a lengthy review. For example, on 25 February, researchers at the Chinese CDC posted a preprint analysing the genetic sequences of samples that had tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 at the Huanan market two years earlier1. But to the dismay of many virologists, the team didn’t publish the sequences underlying the study.

Requests for data​

Youngmee Jee, an infectious-diseases researcher and chief executive at the Pasteur Institute in South Korea, disagrees with those who say that China is withholding data on COVID-19’s origins. She says that origin investigations usually take many years, and points out that Chinese researchers have already conducted a number of relevant studies. For example, a report published in Cell in February surveyed game animals across China for viral infections, and found 21 viruses that could be dangerous to humans — although none was SARS-CoV-26.

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The reservoir for the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 might be revealed by sampling mammals in Southeast Asia, given that researchers found the closest-known relative of the virus in bats in Laos.

In an e-mail to Nature, Shuo Su, a virologist at Nanjing Agricultural University in China, and a co-author of the Cell report, stresses that the study is not connected to COVID-19’s origins. Another co-author of the report, Mang Shi, an evolutionary biologist at Sun Yat-sen University in Shenzhen, reiterates Su’s point. He recommends that future origin investigations should survey bats and other mammals in Laos — where researchers identified the closest-known relative to SARS-CoV-2 in bats, a virus named BANAL-52 — as well as in the neighbouring province of Yunnan in southern China. “We should keep looking at animals in that area of Southeast Asia,” he says. “The exact country isn’t important.”

Shi adds that he would like to see the origin investigations move forwards — with science, not politics, leading the way. “I hope everything can be fair, and without so much finger-pointing and blaming,” he says.

Seeking to encourage the release of data, virologists outside China have sent e-mails to George Gao, the head of the Chinese CDC, and his colleagues, trying to convince them of the importance of sharing genetic sequences that could answer questions about the human or animal hosts of coronaviruses found at the Huanan market in early 2020. Taking a different tack, Jesse Bloom, a virologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, Washington, has collected signatures from scientists on a letter requesting such data. Bloom says he’ll make his letter public if Chinese researchers don’t comply with an initial private request.

As for the WHO, Van Kerkhove says that she is in contact with Gao, and that SAGO will continue to voice its recommendations for further studies, and to offer Chinese researchers help with data collection and analysis. In addition, the upcoming SAGO report will outline the types of origin studies that countries should conduct as soon as they’re faced with new outbreaks of dangerous viruses.

Whatever the strategy, Huang fears that the COVID-19 origins probe is at an impasse. “Without cooperation from China,” he says, “there isn’t much that anyone can do.”
 
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Scientists already know where is covid origin but politicians dont want to know.
1.4% of blood samples from all over usa in Dec 2019 show covid antibodies. Antibodies take a few weeks to form after infection.

Meaning when Wuhan detected the first case, usa already had close to 5 mil cases based on % of usa population.

Coronavirus Was In U.S. Weeks Earlier Than Previously Known, Study Says​

December 1, 20202:50 AM ET

The coronavirus was present in the U.S. weeks earlier than scientists and public health officials previously thought, and before cases in China were publicly identified, according to a new government study published Monday.

The virus and the illness that it causes, COVID-19, were first identified in Wuhan, China, in December 2019, but it wasn't until about Jan. 20 that the first confirmed COVID-19 case, from a traveler returning from China, was found in the U.S.

However, new findings published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases suggest that the coronavirus, known officially as SARS-CoV-2, had infected people in the U.S. even earlier..................................................................

Researchers came to this conclusion after the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed blood donations collected by the American Red Cross from residents in nine states. They found evidence of coronavirus antibodies in 106 out of 7,389 blood donations. The CDC analyzed the blood collected between Dec. 13 and Jan. 17.

The presence of antibodies in a person's blood means they were exposed to a virus, in this case the coronavirus, and that their body's immune system triggered a defensive response.

Researchers found coronavirus antibodies in 39 samples from California, Oregon, and Washington as early as Dec. 13 to Dec. 16. They also discovered antibodies in 67 samples from Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin in early January — before widespread outbreaks in those states...........................................

 
Scientists already know where is covid origin but politicians dont want to know.
1.4% of blood samples from all over usa in Dec 2019 show covid antibodies. Antibodies take a few weeks to form after infection.

Meaning when Wuhan detected the first case, usa already had close to 5 mil cases based on % of usa population.

Coronavirus Was In U.S. Weeks Earlier Than Previously Known, Study Says​

December 1, 20202:50 AM ET

The coronavirus was present in the U.S. weeks earlier than scientists and public health officials previously thought, and before cases in China were publicly identified, according to a new government study published Monday.

The virus and the illness that it causes, COVID-19, were first identified in Wuhan, China, in December 2019, but it wasn't until about Jan. 20 that the first confirmed COVID-19 case, from a traveler returning from China, was found in the U.S.

However, new findings published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases suggest that the coronavirus, known officially as SARS-CoV-2, had infected people in the U.S. even earlier..................................................................

Researchers came to this conclusion after the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed blood donations collected by the American Red Cross from residents in nine states. They found evidence of coronavirus antibodies in 106 out of 7,389 blood donations. The CDC analyzed the blood collected between Dec. 13 and Jan. 17.

The presence of antibodies in a person's blood means they were exposed to a virus, in this case the coronavirus, and that their body's immune system triggered a defensive response.

Researchers found coronavirus antibodies in 39 samples from California, Oregon, and Washington as early as Dec. 13 to Dec. 16. They also discovered antibodies in 67 samples from Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, Michigan, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin in early January — before widespread outbreaks in those states...........................................


Yes, the blood tested positive in a batch from December to January..but none found before. Meanwhile The Wuhan infection started before December

Novel Coronavirus Circulated Undetected Months before First COVID-19 Cases in Wuhan, China

Using molecular dating tools and epidemiological simulations, researchers at University of California San Diego School of Medicine, with colleagues at the University of Arizona and Illumina, Inc., estimate that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was likely circulating undetected for at most two months before the first human cases of COVID-19 were described in Wuhan, China in late-December 2019.

Writing in the March 18, 2021 online issue of Science, they also note that their simulations suggest that the mutating virus dies out naturally more than three-quarters of the time without causing an epidemic.

“Our study was designed to answer the question of how long could SARS-CoV-2 have circulated in China before it was discovered,” said senior author Joel O. Wertheim, PhD, associate professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases and Global Public Health at UC San Diego School of Medicine.

“To answer this question, we combined three important pieces of information: a detailed understanding of how SARS-CoV-2 spread in Wuhan before the lockdown, the genetic diversity of the virus in China and reports of the earliest cases of COVID-19 in China. By combining these disparate lines of evidence, we were able to put an upper limit of mid-October 2019 for when SARS-CoV-2 started circulating in Hubei province.”
 
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Yes, the blood tested positive in a batch from December to January..but none found before. Meanwhile The Wuhan infection started before December


Using molecular dating tools and epidemiological simulations, researchers at University of California San Diego School of Medicine, with colleagues at the University of Arizona and Illumina, Inc., estimate that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was likely circulating undetected for at most two months before the first human cases of COVID-19 were described in Wuhan, China in late-December 2019.

Writing in the March 18, 2021 online issue of Science, they also note that their simulations suggest that the mutating virus dies out naturally more than three-quarters of the time without causing an epidemic.

“Our study was designed to answer the question of how long could SARS-CoV-2 have circulated in China before it was discovered,” said senior author Joel O. Wertheim, PhD, associate professor in the Division of Infectious Diseases and Global Public Health at UC San Diego School of Medicine.

“To answer this question, we combined three important pieces of information: a detailed understanding of how SARS-CoV-2 spread in Wuhan before the lockdown, the genetic diversity of the virus in China and reports of the earliest cases of COVID-19 in China. By combining these disparate lines of evidence, we were able to put an upper limit of mid-October 2019 for when SARS-CoV-2 started circulating in Hubei province.”
None found in pre Dec 2019 usa blood samples or they didnt test or worse, not allowed to test ? lol

Now if the samples indicate close to 5 mil cases in usa in Dec 19, remember few weeks needed for antibodies to form so many of the infections were in Nov or earlier, when were the first cases in usa ? Any guesses ?

Cause of Respiratory Illness Still Unknown After Dozens Sickened at Virginia Retirement Community​

The outbreak was reported in the assisted living and skilled nursing areas of the community, where about 263 people live​

By Carissa DiMargo and Julie Carey, Northern Virginia Bureau Chief • Published July 17, 2019 • Updated on July 18, 2019 at 1:50 pm​

Fairfax County health officials said they don't yet have a cause of the respiratory illness that sicked more than 60 residents at a Northern Virginia senior living community.

The outbreak at Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield began June 30. Sick residents had symptoms such as coughs, fevers and pneumonia.

Three people have also died, but Dr. Benjamin Schwartz of the Fairfax County Health Department said Wednesday afternoon that those who died were "older" and had complex health problems. Officials don't yet know the extent to which the respiratory illness contributed to their deaths, he said...........................................

Health officials said last week what was striking about the outbreak was the number of residents impacted and the time of year — summer instead of winter, when flu and respiratory illness usually spread.....................

The health department is continuing to work with the facility on the investigation, he said. Testing for Legionnaires disease was negative, he said.

Schwartz said there were also reports of a respiratory illness outbreak at an assisted living facility several miles away in Burke, Virginia. About 25 people were ill there,
including two with pneumonia; there have been no deaths. He said there is "no evidence of any connection whatsoever" between the two outbreaks.


 
None found in pre Dec 2019 usa blood samples or they didnt test or worse, not allowed to test ? lol

Now if the samples indicate close to 5 mil cases in usa in Dec 19, remember few weeks needed for antibodies to form so many of the infections were in Nov or earlier, when were the first cases in usa ? Any guesses ?

Cause of Respiratory Illness Still Unknown After Dozens Sickened at Virginia Retirement Community​

The outbreak was reported in the assisted living and skilled nursing areas of the community, where about 263 people live​

By Carissa DiMargo and Julie Carey, Northern Virginia Bureau Chief • Published July 17, 2019 • Updated on July 18, 2019 at 1:50 pm​

Fairfax County health officials said they don't yet have a cause of the respiratory illness that sicked more than 60 residents at a Northern Virginia senior living community.

The outbreak at Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield began June 30. Sick residents had symptoms such as coughs, fevers and pneumonia.

Three people have also died, but Dr. Benjamin Schwartz of the Fairfax County Health Department said Wednesday afternoon that those who died were "older" and had complex health problems. Officials don't yet know the extent to which the respiratory illness contributed to their deaths, he said...........................................

Health officials said last week what was striking about the outbreak was the number of residents impacted and the time of year — summer instead of winter, when flu and respiratory illness usually spread.....................

The health department is continuing to work with the facility on the investigation, he said. Testing for Legionnaires disease was negative, he said.

Schwartz said there were also reports of a respiratory illness outbreak at an assisted living facility several miles away in Burke, Virginia. About 25 people were ill there,
including two with pneumonia; there have been no deaths. He said there is "no evidence of any connection whatsoever" between the two outbreaks.



How about the 2012 pneumonia type deaths of 3 people collecting bat guano in a mineshaft in Mojiang. After their deaths their tissue samples were sent to the Wuhan Institute for analysis.

Coronavirus first appeared among workers clearing bat faeces from Chinese mineshaft back in 2012 and may not have come from Wuhan market, scientists say​

  • Miners were removing bat faeces from the Mojiang mine in Yunnan province
  • Six fell ill with a pneumonia-like illness which resulted in three of them dying
  • Sample tissue from patients with were sent to a lab in Wuhan eight years ago
It is believed that Covid-19 may have originated in a Chinese mineshaft in 2012 and not in Wuhan.

Scientists believe that the virus could actually have began 1,000 miles away from the wet market in Wuhan.

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Scientists believe that the virus could have began in the Mojiang mine, pictured, in China's Yunnan province eight years ago when six miners fell ill after spending two weeks removing bat faeces

Six miners fell ill with a pneumonia-like virus in the Mojiang mine in southwestern China's Yunnan province eight years ago.

The miners had spent two weeks removing bat faeces resulting in three of them dying from the virus.

According to The Sun, Physician Li Xu, who treated the miners, describes how the patients had a high fever, a dry cough, sore limbs and, in some cases, headaches.

These are symptoms we now associate with Covid-19 according to Virologist Jonathan Latham and molecular biologist Allison Wilson.

Latham and Wilson who both work for the non-profit Bioscience Resource Project in Ithaca, read the thesis written by Chinese medical doctor who treated the miners.
 
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How about the 2012 pneumonia type deaths of 3 people collecting bat guano in a mineshaft in Mojiang. After their deaths their tissue samples were sent to the Wuhan Institute for analysis.


  • Miners were removing bat faeces from the Mojiang mine in Yunnan province
  • Six fell ill with a pneumonia-like illness which resulted in three of them dying
  • Sample tissue from patients with were sent to a lab in Wuhan eight years ago
It is believed that Covid-19 may have originated in a Chinese mineshaft in 2012 and not in Wuhan.

Scientists believe that the virus could actually have began 1,000 miles away from the wet market in Wuhan.

32009930-8632421-image-a-13_1597579103619.jpg

Scientists believe that the virus could have began in the Mojiang mine, pictured, in China's Yunnan province eight years ago when six miners fell ill after spending two weeks removing bat faeces

Six miners fell ill with a pneumonia-like virus in the Mojiang mine in southwestern China's Yunnan province eight years ago.

The miners had spent two weeks removing bat faeces resulting in three of them dying from the virus.

According to The Sun, Physician Li Xu, who treated the miners, describes how the patients had a high fever, a dry cough, sore limbs and, in some cases, headaches.

These are symptoms we now associate with Covid-19 according to Virologist Jonathan Latham and molecular biologist Allison Wilson.

Latham and Wilson who both work for the non-profit Bioscience Resource Project in Ithaca, read the thesis written by Chinese medical doctor who treated the miners.
If u want to believe covid has been spreading since 2012 & detected in 2019, that's ok too. lol
Ur from usa after all.
 
If u want to believe covid has been spreading since 2012 & detected in 2019, that's ok too. lol
Ur from usa after all.

It escaped from the Wuhan lab from those old 2012 tissue samples gathered from those dead miners. No doubt from some researchers who were not aware of how dangerous it was. The question is when did they touch it.
 
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It escaped from the Wuhan lab from those 2012 tissue samples gathered from those dead miners. The question is when.
Sure it escaped from Wuhan & infected 5 mil in usa by Dec 19 lol. Any guesses how far is Greenspring from fort detrick ?
 
Sure it escaped from Wuhan & infected 5 mil in usa by Dec 19 lol. Any guesses how far is Greenspring from fort detrick ?

If it infected 5 million in the USA in December we would have had a crazy amount of ICU deaths in 2019 instead of May 2020.

So dream on as your logic makes no sense (but you are Malaysian). People weren't suddenly dropping dead in the streets in December unnoticed. Most people with Covid19 end up in the ICU on a respirator...which is very noticeable.


Plus people from Wuhan were living all over the world and flying back and forth infecting entire nations.

Washington state man who traveled to China is first U.S. victim of coronavirus​

The patient, identified only as a man in his 30s, fell ill over the weekend after traveling to his hometown in China and was diagnosed with the coronavirus on Monday,

UPDATE 2-Italy declares coronavirus emergency after first two cases confirmed​

ROME, Jan 31 (Reuters) - Italy declared a six-month state of emergency on Friday over the new coronavirus, allowing the government to cut through red tape quickly if needed, after two Chinese tourists tested positive for the illness in the first cases detected in the country.

Chinese tourist in France becomes Europe's first coronavirus fatality

 
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If it infected 5 million in the USA in December we would have had a crazy amount of ICU deaths in 2019 instead of May 2020.

So dream on as your logic makes no sense (but you are Malaysian). People weren't suddenly dropping dead in the streets in December unnoticed. Most people with Covid19 end up in the ICU on a respirator...which is very noticeable.

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Ur own study shows 1.4% of usa blood samples from Dec 19 had covid antibodies but my logic makes no sense ? ok. lol

People end up on respirator ? U didnt read the Greenspring report ? Never heard of vaping disease ? flu ?
If u want to believe none of the above were covid coz ur rulers didnt say so, that's perfectly fine with me too.
 
How about the 2012 pneumonia type deaths of 3 people collecting bat guano in a mineshaft in Mojiang. After their deaths their tissue samples were sent to the Wuhan Institute for analysis.

Coronavirus first appeared among workers clearing bat faeces from Chinese mineshaft back in 2012 and may not have come from Wuhan market, scientists say​

  • Miners were removing bat faeces from the Mojiang mine in Yunnan province
  • Six fell ill with a pneumonia-like illness which resulted in three of them dying
  • Sample tissue from patients with were sent to a lab in Wuhan eight years ago
It is believed that Covid-19 may have originated in a Chinese mineshaft in 2012 and not in Wuhan.

Scientists believe that the virus could actually have began 1,000 miles away from the wet market in Wuhan.

32009930-8632421-image-a-13_1597579103619.jpg

Scientists believe that the virus could have began in the Mojiang mine, pictured, in China's Yunnan province eight years ago when six miners fell ill after spending two weeks removing bat faeces

Six miners fell ill with a pneumonia-like virus in the Mojiang mine in southwestern China's Yunnan province eight years ago.

The miners had spent two weeks removing bat faeces resulting in three of them dying from the virus.

According to The Sun, Physician Li Xu, who treated the miners, describes how the patients had a high fever, a dry cough, sore limbs and, in some cases, headaches.

These are symptoms we now associate with Covid-19 according to Virologist Jonathan Latham and molecular biologist Allison Wilson.

Latham and Wilson who both work for the non-profit Bioscience Resource Project in Ithaca, read the thesis written by Chinese medical doctor who treated the miners.

Didn't you say in another thread something like Covid doesn't exist? Now it does because its existence suits your narrative? LOL...
 
Didn't you say in another thread something like Covid doesn't exist? Now it does because its existence suits your narrative? LOL...

No.

Saying I don't know anybody who died of Covid doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I don't know anybody who climbed Mt Everest either.
 

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