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President Emmanuel Macron of France has described Nato as "brain dead", stressing what he sees as waning commitment to the transatlantic alliance by its main guarantor, the US.

Interviewed by the Economist, he cited the US failure to consult Nato before pulling forces out of northern Syria.

He also questioned whether Nato was still committed to collective defence.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, a key ally, said she disagreed with Mr Macron's "drastic words".

Nato, which celebrates 70 years since its founding at a London summit next month, has responded by saying the alliance remains strong.

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What else did the French president say?
"What we are currently experiencing is the brain death of Nato," Mr Macron told the London-based newspaper.

He warned European members that they could no longer rely on the US to defend the alliance, established at the start of the Cold War to bolster Western European and North American security.

Article Five of Nato's founding charter stipulates that an attack on one member will produce a collective response from the alliance.

But Mr Macron appeared unsure whether it was still valid when asked. "I don't know," he said.

The alliance, Mr Macron is quoted as saying, "only works if the guarantor of last resort functions as such. I'd argue that we should reassess the reality of what Nato is in the light of the commitment of the United States".

The French leader urged Europe to start thinking of itself as a "geopolitical power" to ensure it remained "in control" of its destiny.

Why the doubts over Nato?
President Donald Trump's abrupt decision to pull most US forces out of north-eastern Syria in October took European Nato members by surprise.

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Media captionA Nato military exercise in 2018 - the biggest since Cold War
The move opened the way for Turkey - itself a powerful Nato member - to push into Syria and create what it termed a security zone along its border. Kurdish forces, who had been helping the US fight the Islamic State (IS) group, were expelled from the area.

Mr Macron at the time criticised Nato's failure to respond to the Turkish offensive.

Mr Trump has frequently accused European Nato members of failing to provide their fair share of military spending and for relying too heavily on the US for their defence.

For his part, Mr Macron has already been at the forefront of moves to boost defence co-operation among European countries. However, the European Union's other main military power, the UK, emphasises the importance of Nato to European defence.

What reaction has there been?
Mrs Merkel was speaking in Berlin alongside the visiting Nato Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg.

Mr Macron "used drastic words - that is not my view of co-operation in Nato," she said.

Mrs Merkel acknowledged there were problems, but said she did not think "such sweeping judgements are necessary".

"Nato remains a cornerstone of our security," she added.

Mr Stoltenberg said the alliance remained strong.

"European allies are stepping up, investing more in defence.

"The US is increasing investments in Europe with more troops, more exercises. The reality is that we do work together. We have strengthened our collective defence. Any attempt to distance us from North America risks not only weakening the alliance, the transatlantic bond, but also weakening Europe."

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No longer fit for purpose?
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With only weeks before the Nato summit, President Macron's comments suggest it might not be an entirely harmonious celebration.

One key fault line has been opened up by President Trump who frequently denigrates his Nato allies. He described many of them recently as "delinquent" for not spending sufficiently on their own defence.

Mr Macron said America was turning its back on Europe. The absence of co-ordination on strategic decision-making between the US and its Nato allies was exemplified by recent unilateral US and Turkish decisions in Syria.

Turkey's actions in particular, he said, raised all sorts of questions about the fundamental security guarantees that Nato gives to all its members. What would happen, he asked, if the Syrian government attacked Turkey due to its incursion into Syria?

With more members than ever and facing much more complex security challenges, Nato seems in Mr Macron's view to no longer be fit for purpose.

This is about much more than one US president. Nato must defend against multiple threats which different countries perceive in different ways. And a number of allies seem less and less keen to espouse the liberal democratic values that lie at Nato's core.

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How did Nato come about?
The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation was created in 1949 to counter the threat from the Soviet Union as the Communist country sought to expand its power in Europe.

The Soviet Union, an ally in World War Two against Nazi Germany, became an adversary of the West during the Cold War.

It set up its own Warsaw Pact military alliance, including the then Communist countries of eastern Europe, in 1955.

That alliance was dissolved shortly before the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 and former Warsaw Pact countries, though not Russia, became Nato members in the years following.

Originally set up to promote "stability and well-being in the North Atlantic area", Nato was faced with finding a new purpose after the demise of the Soviet Union.

From the mid-1990s, Nato forces were deployed on missions in the former Yugoslavia, launching air strikes to push Serbia out of Kosovo, and in Afghanistan, where the alliance took control of peacekeeping operations.

But as Nato has expanded, it has struggled to overcome Russian concerns that the alliance poses a threat on its borders.

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They keep telling the world NATO is weakening and becoming irrelevant while at the same time NATO is ever expanding, involved in more conflicts and holding ever larger military exercises.
 
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They keep telling the world NATO is weakening and becoming irrelevant while at the same time NATO is ever expanding, involved in more conflicts and holding ever larger military exercises.
Which expansion? All I see is that rise of India under Modi has weakened the old world order. Now, it is India that is rising and NATO is declining. Modi put a knife to the petrodollar deal and has made USA go on the backfoot
 
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Ach so,Macron taking the same stance as Marine Le Pen! :D

Tomorrow he'll tell us about exiting euro and maybe the EU. :D

He's a disaster and total idiot. When are the elections again?
 
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He's a disaster and total idiot. When are the elections again?

Next presidential elections are in 2022. Unfortunately,a part Marine Le Pen there's no credible and strong opponent to Macron,all others and all other parties seem pretty much dead. I predict a second round Macron vs Le Pen,but given the anti Macron sentiment,the rethoric "anything but Le Pen" might not work this time.
 
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Next presidential elections are in 2022. Unfortunately,a part Marine Le Pen there's no credible and strong opponent to Macron,all others and all other parties seem pretty much dead. I predict a second round Macron vs Le Pen,but given the anti Macron sentiment,the rethoric "anything but Le Pen" might not work this time.
Who is good for Muslims Macron or Le Penn? @waz
 
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Which expansion? All I see is that rise of India under Modi has weakened the old world order. Now, it is India that is rising and NATO is declining. Modi put a knife to the petrodollar deal and has made USA go on the backfoot

When referring to 'NATO expansion' they are referring to adding countries to NATO like North Macedonia and increasing presence towards Russia's borders. A retreat from Russia's borders is the only confirmation of a NATO decline and only Russia can confirm that.


Zombie NATO Expansion Stumbles On

Leonid Bershidsky makes a good case against bringing North Macedonia into NATO:

For the U.S., which provides the security umbrella for NATO countries, North Macedonia looks to be just another freeloader. Its military spending will amount to 1.19 percent of gross domestic product this year – roughly the same level as in Germany, which Trump has repeatedly upbraided for its pacifism. In absolute terms, it’s a pittance, some $153 million in 2019 for a military with about 8,000 active personnel. NATO gains nothing by taking it in and stretching the umbrella a little more.

The alliance isn’t losing much, either. Once can hardly see Russia, or anyone else, attacking Montenegro or North Macedonia. But the U.S. does need to consider what it gets out of an alliance with an increasing number of small members primarily interested using it as a step on the way to EU accession.

Everything Bershidsky says is true, and it lines up with what I have been saying about adding Montenegro and (North) Macedonia to the alliance for years. The U.S. doesn’t need more security dependents, and expanding the alliance to include these states doesn’t make the U.S. one iota more secure and it doesn’t make the alliance any stronger.

By padding the alliance’s membership with small states that add little or nothing to U.S. and European security, NATO expansion has become a zombie process that continues for its own sake long after it ceased to serve any legitimate purpose. Bershidsky is more generous about previous rounds of expansion than I am, but adding North Macedonia is so ridiculous and unnecessary that he throws up his hands in dismay:

It’s hard, if not impossible, to make any kind of geo-strategic case for North Macedonia’s NATO membership. The country didn’t play a major role in the Balkans conflict. It is tiny, landlocked and resource-poor. Prime Minister Zoran Zaev’s government hasn’t even tried to make the case. It’s interested in a NATO membership less as a security guarantee than as a de facto prerequisite for EU membership.

The funny thing about the latest round of expansion in the Balkans is that it has taken place on Trump’s watch. Atlanticists have been pulling their hair out for years over Trump’s alleged anti-NATO attitudes, but when it comes to how the alliance is run Trump has done nothing significantly different in practice from his predecessors. He will whine about how other members aren’t paying what they “owe,” and he doesn’t seem to grasp that alliances are not protection rackets, but that hasn’t stopped the alliance from adding two new free-riding allies while he is president. The president’s supposed hostility to NATO has never been as strong or as serious as his hawkish detractors have claimed, and this is just one more issue on which the president likes to make a lot of noise while doing nothing to change the status quo.

The danger from these useless rounds of expansion is that it will tempt the alliance into trying to bring in even more states in areas that matter more to Russia. Russia protests all NATO expansion, but there are some countries along its borders that it will absolutely not allow to join. The alliance has had a bad track record of understanding the second part. The alliance should be satisfied that it now has a nice round number of 30 members and never add another. Unfortunately, there will likely continue to be agitation for more expansion in both the north and the east. Based on the experience of previous rounds, there will be almost no serious debate in Washington over whether to make NATO even bigger.
 
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Who is good for Muslims Macron or Le Penn? @waz

There's fact that might not be known by many on this forum,but there's a French territory in the Indian ocean called "Mayotte". The natives,culturally Comorians are 95% muslims. Guess what ? It is a territory where the National Front is expending rapidly. During the last elections (Europeans) Le Pen's party came first with 45,5% (from 5,40% in 2014) and ironically is the territory where the party made the highest score of any French departement and overseas territory... So let's ask ourselves some question about this fact.

During the second round of the presidential elections in 2017 they voted at 43% for Le Pen..
 
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There's fact that might not be known by many on this forum,but there's a French territory in the Indian ocean called "Mayotte". The natives,culturally Comorians are 95% muslims. Guess what ? It is a territory where the National Front is expending rapidly. During the last elections (Europeans) Le Pen's party came first with 45,5% (from 5,40% in 2014) and ironically is the territory where the party made the highest score of any French departement and overseas territory... So let's ask ourselves some question about this fact.

Could this be the reason why? https://www.france24.com/en/2019102...-of-illegal-immigration-hits-france-s-mayotte
 
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Which expansion? All I see is that rise of India under Modi has weakened the old world order. Now, it is India that is rising and NATO is declining. Modi put a knife to the petrodollar deal and has made USA go on the backfoot


modi should help indians to rebuild the country with toilet and then rising.
 
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