National Water Way on Pakistani Rivers (CPEC extension)

[mzeeshanfahd]

Kala bagh dam banne nahiin dete, ye kahan se bane ga bc?

so what my dear .... does this mean that we should give up ...no sir .... and furthermore kalabagh has more to do with water distribution issue

what will happen when a flood comes unlike Egypt river Pakistanis Indus rive is full of silt it will just build up and block the river also a huge flood come every 10 or 12 years which will wipe out the whole canal system THIS IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE AND FEASIBLE PROJECT we can rather build a train route to all parts of Pakistan

Sir .... were the existing canals and associated system wiped out by earlier floods? .... no sir ......... hence I believe that this will have more to do with engineering design of the proposed project.

Barrages and Dams along the way, prob not feasible.

Sir ... with due respect already answered in post # 5.

nothing better than road and rail.

didn't mean to hurt you SIR .... but one of my ex-boss used to say there are some people who start with a no ..... but eventually they get along

 

[Shah01]

First of all I want to be very clear here as we discuss along the thread I have no interest what so ever in politics

I ask mods to take care of this please. As threads a littered with pointing fingers at each other with having little to no respect for each other and pointless debates.

I would be grateful if you join along and help develop this thread as wealth of info, financial budgeting can be a starting point along with pros and cons of channel width sizing along with its impact on financials.

I am more than happy to help with this. I have already been working on modeling a way to calculate the cost of upgrading our current canal system. It is not easy as so many factors involve but I can hopefully get a very good guestimate.

 

[Sipahi]

This so called world's largest water canal network (Which is by the way is there due to British rule) is in shambles due to incompetent and corrupt Agriculture and canal department. They are barely maintaining these previously build canals and asking them to undertake a major project is suicidal.

The irrigation system in Punjab is far better, but in interior sindh it is as bad as you mentioned.

 

[mzeeshanfahd]

what about FLOODS ???

already answered in post # 16 and definitely dams are the answer which no one can challenge

This so called world's largest water canal network (Which is by the way is there due to British rule) is in shambles due to incompetent and corrupt Agriculture and canal department. They are barely maintaining these previously build canals and asking them to undertake a major project is suicidal.

Sir .... this is no reason at all to not start this or any other project .... if we go by this rule then as per today's standards there is no deal ~almost which is a big one and kickbacks are not involved in it hence we can do nothing..... yes you have a point regarding Sind .... but rest assured it is being sorted out currently and we will see pleasant changes in very near future

 

[bananarepublic]

LOL we havent been able to build any dams since 1969 you think that some one will invest in this project

 

[mzeeshanfahd]

LOL we havent been able to build any dams since 1969 you think that some one will invest in this project

Does it hurt to plan and hope for the best .... you know CPEC shouldn't have been a reality and as per some reports Gen kiani didn't start N/S wazirstan operation in fear of losing and look now .... so good things happen lets be optimistic and get ready .... our time is coming...





Look at them ..... it is a lesson for us ..... if they can do it 2400 years ago we definitely
can do it now ..... with current technology.....

China’s Grand Canal, and the Silk Road in China, Kazakhstan and Kyrgizstan have been added the World Heritage list. The decision was announced at the 38th session of UNESCO’s World Heritage committee in Doha, Qatar.

The Grand Canal dates back 2,400 years. With a length of 1,794 kilometers, it’s the longest man-made waterway in the world. And it is still in use.

The heritage site consists of five sections of the Grand Canal across six provinces and two municipalities in China, linking Hangzhou to the capital, Beijing.

The Silk Road was jointly submitted by China, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. It’s world famous as a corridor for trade and cultural transmission between Asia and Europe dating back to 2,000 years.

 

[Mutakalim]

The irrigation system in Punjab is far better, but in interior sindh it is as bad as you mentioned.

As compared to Sindh Irrigation system is good but not good as it should be. Just pay a visit to small canal and you will know that how much water is stolen from small and large heads. Not going into other details.

Sir .... this is no reason at all to not start this or any other project .... if we go by this rule then as per today's standards there is no deal ~almost which is a big one and kickbacks are not involved in it hence we can do nothing..... yes you have a point regarding Sind .... but rest assured it is being sorted out currently and we will see pleasant changes in very near future

This project and other projects should be started but only after detailed feasibility studies. I know these studies are carried out routinely but there are many cases of negligence.

 

[Imran Khan]

i read somewhere in past we have such system
indus queeen was last ship sail on indus waters

 

[Sipahi]

As compared to Sindh Irrigation system is good but not good as it should be. Just pay a visit to small canal and you will know that how much water is stolen from small and large heads. Not going into other details.


This project and other projects should be started but only after detailed feasibility studies. I know these studies are carried out routinely but there are many cases of negligence.

I have visited rural Faisalabad and Narowal.

In faisalabad you it is a better system containing small canals but on the other side Narowal don't have any.

 

[mzeeshanfahd]

I am not contesting road and rail they definitely are the priority this concept is further extension in CPEC. Here is my response to Paksanity .... his post was very logical and I had to divide it into several pieces to answer each part.

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There are some very practical issues with it. As I understand it, you are essentially talking of using Rivers and canal network. The proposed water way will run parallel to these or sometimes within them. Pakistan has a unique geography, unlike any in the world. Our rivers originate in world's highest mountains and while staying within country end up in sea. This means a very steep gradient through narrow valleys and gorges in the northern half.

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I definitely didn’t meant area in the north you are right and by the way there is only road access to that area …. One cannot take the rail anywhere as well in the country …. same is true for waterway as well.


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There are multiple dams, barrages and headworks all along. Ships cannot cross them.

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Already answered in post #5 (read how do we propose reasonable crossing mechanism)

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Either side of rivers and canals is precious agricultural land, one of the finest in world. Digging a waterway means eating up those lands.

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Already answered in post # 14 (read channelization)

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Then how do you negotiate area where rivers run very steep in hilly terrain? Have you seen river gushing through, say in Kalabagh or Tarbela? How do you make a waterway which has moderate enough slope for ships to negotiate when ground elevation rises steeply in northern Pakistan?

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Already answered in post #5 (read how do we propose reasonable crossing mechanism)

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Making it viable for China and Russia means building a waterway through Karokoram . Im sure you did not mean that right? It may be viable from Mianwali to Sindh I think that too at the expense of agricultural land.

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Already answered in post # 14 (read channelization)

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We dont have enough water in winters to flood a waterway that long otherwise wheat crop will be severally affected. It will probably have to be shut down in winters.

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This point we have to study further like how much water is required by such a system weather we can have a system that can store some minimum water level …… your point is valid requires more study on the design and definitely we require dams for in order to maintain minimum water level.

 

[Ind4Ever]

The below picture are a thousand words alone and further elaboration of idea is below

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Guys I have been promoting this idea for some time now and want it to reach concerned quarter so that they can discuss this issue in detail and after through analysis implment this idea and I suggest it to be considered as part of CPEC project. I know there are people here who belong to think tanks and can not only discuss pros and cons but also suggest it at appropriate levels.

I just wanted to share the idea of my great teacher to prepare a national water way on the river Indus that will expand to all the rivers covering almost Sindh, entire Punjab, KPK and which will start from north (even Kabul river can be linked) and go all the way down to Arabian sea. Recently Gen Sisi of Egypt did something similar in his country, its just like a new Suez canal.

I will try to launch this idea on Facebook and other places in hope that it may reach concerned quarters of government and planner who are desperately trying to find different projects that will not only enhance our economy but raise jobs for people under CPEC program. I didn’t know how to propose this project and to whom so I have prepared this short description for this project and am also ready to further elaborate the idea if anyone wants to discuss. I wish that this idea reach the concern quarter.

I may not be able to explain my complete idea in words and I leave it to your imagination to complete the idea of national water way. It may turn out to be another "GT road of sher shah suri" for the people of our country, you can imagine that owing to that great general's effort we are even now benefiting from the same route. This can be the next economic nuclear bomb of Pakistan ...... just give some time and think over it.

BENEFITS OF STRATEGIC PROJECT : THE NATIONAL WATER WAY ON INDUS RIVER (proposed Under CPEC Umbrella)


1- Water Reservoir spanned across the country: This national water way can become our water reservoir for the whole country that is spanned over hundreds of mile and water will be available to every city and in great quantity and will help in rising the under earth water table level in the whole country as well.

2- Half fuel consumption: The biggest benefit will be that freight carrying large barges or ships going downhill (north to south) will be going almost free of cost due to gravity or very less fuel consumption and we would only consume fuel when they would be coming from south to north (up direction) this can be a huge benefit to economy.

3- Jobs creation : This project will not only provide a great economy boost but will create a very large number of jobs linked to water like small people who cannot afford trucks may built small boats and adopt load carrying vessel business, water way police, telecom sector boost along the national water way so on and so forth.

4- National/ international Tourism : Waterway will enhance business related to tourism in all of country as the water way will also become a tourist resort.

5- New industry: Luxury cruise business, boat industry, marine industry, marine games industry etc on a national basis .

6- New Ports/Towns : Industries / ports / towns can be built anywhere along the waterway.

7- Maintenance free: No/very less maintenance required for the national water way compared to road and railways so the project is more of one time expenditure in nature with very less operational cost.

8- Fourth Means of Transportation: We already have road, rail and air means of transportation this can become our fourth means as well.

9- Fishery : Whole nation will benefit from another food source available through out the country, will create jobs result in a complete economy cycle.

10- Reduce Security Importance of Karachi / Gawadar Ports : This will convert out complete country to a numerous ports and we will not be restricted to two or three ports eventually reducing security related criticality of ports, vessels may come in up north and unload their goods at the point of choice and eventually every city will possess the potential to become karachi.

11- Flood reduction : this large reservoir will be able to absorb extra water in the flood season and if not completely remove floods it will be able to reduce the water significantly hence causing less damage to surrounding areas.

12- Mass Micro Electricity Generation Industry: we can plan to install a high voltage grid that can be linked to the micro generator along the national water way.

13- Link Existing canals: all the existing canals can be linked to this national water way and can act small water roads to nearby cities.

And much more you only need to think on the lines and you will realize that if we somehow arrange the budget this project will be a game changer for our economy.

I want you people to discuss it and maybe with luck we can convey it to concerned people ....

Now that's cool... We should look into it. All over Asia. We should do it again next style

 

[mzeeshanfahd]

This can be very similar to the concept of existing motorway and can be built in patches, and there are already some great project proposed that can support this concept like (from presentation of inam.rehman @ gmail com found on internet)

1- Grand Indus canal

concept below

Grand Indus canal can act as a "Water Motorway of Pakistan", for efficient and quick delivery of water all along Pakistan downstream Tarbela. In addition it can help about efficient water transfer from one location to another within provinces.

2- Makran canal

concept below

Makran canal can become the backbone for growth and prosperity in Makran. Makran region has excellent geography and weather. Improved water supply can make it “California of Pakistan”, and “Gateway to Middle East.”

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

This can be very similar to the concept of existing motorway and can be built in patches, and there are already some great project proposed that can support this concept like (from presentation of inam.rehman @ gmail com found on internet)

1- Grand Indus canal

concept below
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Grand Indus canal can act as a "Water Motorway of Pakistan", for efficient and quick delivery of water all along Pakistan downstream Tarbela. In addition it can help about efficient water transfer from one location to another within provinces.

2- Makran canal

concept below
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Makran canal can become the backbone for growth and prosperity in Makran. Makran region has excellent geography and weather. Improved water supply can make it “California of Pakistan”, and “Gateway to Middle East.”

You have presented a brilliant idea and it is worth discussing.Although it seems like a humongous project but it can be completed over the years with the use of some good brains and technology.
Moreover,this idea of yours can also be completed in steps like motorways.eg M1,M2 etc.
The only thing we need now is to study this concept in detail(with all the technicalities involved) and get to know if it is practically feasible or not.And then we hope that this concept reaches the relevant quarters so that they can implement it.

 

[mzeeshanfahd]

You have presented a brilliant idea and it is worth discussing.Although it seems like a humongous project but it can be completed over the years with the use of some good brains and technology.
Moreover,this idea of yours can also be completed in steps like motorways.eg M1,M2 etc.
The only thing we need now is to study this concept in detail(with all the technicalities involved) and get to know if it is practically feasible or not.And then we hope that this concept reaches the relevant quarters so that they can implement it.

you have got the exact idea what I am trying to do here ..... the concept of NWW1 , NWW2 (national water way) etc is reflect in above post # 27 I will try to post similar project in coming posts.

i read somewhere in past we have such system
indus queeen was last ship sail on indus waters

i have started to imagine water buses rowing in our waters

 

[Imran Khan]

you have got the exact idea what I am trying to do here ..... the concept of NWW1 , NWW2 (national water way) etc is reflect in above post # 27 I will try to post similar project in coming posts.





i have started to imagine water buses rowing in our waters

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its pakistan and i say on desi style