Nation’s honor not to be traded for prosperity: Kayani

[Emmie]

RAWALPINDI: The Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani Saturday asserted that the nation’s honor and integrity will not be traded just in exchange for “prosperity”, Geo News reported.

“What’s in national interest and what’s not is a decision only you Pakistanis have the right to make,” the Army Chief said in his address on the occasion of Yaum-e-Shuhada here.

General Kayani pointed out that Pakistan was today going through the most tumultuous times in its history but ‘we should not let ourselves overcome by frustration and pessimism’.

“We believe in one army, one family and one nation and we will have to rise above personal interests and think for a strong Pakistan,” he asserted.

He said Pakistani nation and its armed forces are like one unit. “A prosperous Pakistan is in the interest of all …. we want to co exist peacefully with our neighbours,” he added.

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[khurasaan1]

Did anybody get the meaning of his adress....do anybody think, he gonna mean his words or just a political sentence....???

 

[PoKeMon]

Where is the "honor" in a unprosper nation??

 

[ramu]

I find such comments difficult to understand. What is more annoying than a foreign power carrying our air strikes in the sovereign territory of Pakistan inspite of severe reservations made public? Actions speak louder than words. What is the action taken against air strikes till date other than public posturing?

I think he appears to be one of the weakest in the history of Pakistan defence ...

 

[Leader]

he made himself appear as a leader, a speech that Zardari or Gilani should have given.... eerrrrrrr.......

sir your status is army chief, you are servant of the defence ministry, let the political leadership grow and have a truely made in PAKistan leadership !

we have seen you in RD case...

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What is the action taken against air strikes till date other than public posturing?

Hasn't the number of drone strikes decreased dramatically since the Raymond Davis issue?

 

[Leader]

Hasn't the number of drone strikes decreased dramatically since the Raymond Davis issue?

wasnt RD dramatically released?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

he made himself appear as a leader, a speech that Zardari or Gilani should have given.... eerrrrrrr.......

What is stopping Zardari and Gillani from giving such speeches?

let the political leadership grow and have a truely made in PAKistan leadership

Again, who is stopping the political leadership from 'growing'? Who is preventing the political leadership from taking positions that everyone can see most Pakistanis are in favor of? Who is preventing the political leadership from enacting political and economic reforms?

we have seen you in RD case....

What about the RD case? At what point in time was there any indication that the Army forced the PPP and PML-N to release Davis? In fact, most Pakistani liberal commentators were accusing the Army of using the media to inflame opinion against Davis and make it impossible for the PPP/PML-N to release Davis. The PPP had over a month to declare that Davis did not have blanket diplomatic immunity and put him on trial for murder - instead they fired their own Foreign Minister for taking a principled stance.

Why blame the Army chief when the political leadership, that you want to be allowed to 'grow' is completely gutless and corrupt?

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wasnt RD dramatically released?

See my post above. Who fired Qureshi? Who refused to make a determination on Davis's diplomatic status?

 

[ramu]

Hasn't the number of drone strikes decreased dramatically since the Raymond Davis issue?

If that works for Pakistan, great. But should Pakistan be in a position to make decision about its own airspace or let another country decide?

 

[Leader]

its not about Zardari or Gilani or anyone else, its about what role, state has given you, you ought to perform it and its the NATION to be judge on that... by such speeches, given the history of pakistan, NATION tends to look at these generals as an alternative.

so you mean PPPP or PMLN bypassed Army and ISI and released RD? we all know whose decision it was ultimately. no one is that innocent not to know.

this is the exactly mentality that we are in dire need to get out; people starting to compare political leadership with a military generals. atleast after 5 years political leadership is bound to come to public, while generals cannot even be called for any sort of trial or even a "proper, in-depth, factual" explanation in the NA on the money WE THE NATION give them to run our defence.

 

[PoKeMon]

Hasn't the number of drone strikes decreased dramatically since the Raymond Davis issue?

Did less number of drone strikes against the will of pakistani people work good for its sovereignity and respect?
This is merely a political statement to earn some cheering from crowd. More on words less on ground.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If that works for Pakistan, great. But should Pakistan be in a position to make decision about its own airspace or let another country decide?

Did I say that 'works'?

It is a 'work in progress'. The only satisfactory solution IMO is that Pakistan take over the operation of the drones with US advisers and consultants present with Pakistani operators.

But it does illustrate that Pakistan can bring pressure to bear on the US.

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Did less number of drone strikes against the will of pakistani people work good for its sovereignity and respect?
This is merely a political statement to earn some cheering from crowd. More on words less on ground.

See reply to Ramu above.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

its not about Zardari or Gilani or anyone else, its about what role, state has given you, you ought to perform it and its the NATION to be judge on that... by such speeches, given the history of pakistan, NATION tends to look at these generals as an alternative.

What is wrong with a general giving a patriotic and rousing speech? He did not call for the overthrow of the government did he? If the people 'look at these generals as an alternative', then that is the fault of:

1. The politicians for doing such a miserable job that the people are looking to General's (why can't the politicians at least given similar speeches?)
2. The fault of the people for not having faith in the democratic system and not voting for different candidates in the elections, or not voting at all.

Why blame the general for 'making a speech'? That is just silly.

so you mean PPPP or PMLN bypassed Army and ISI and released RD? we all know whose decision it was ultimately. no one is that innocent not to know.

Please offer some evidence that there was one iota of Army pressure on the PPP/PML to release Davis. Recall what I said in my earlier post - Pakistani liberals and 'pro-democracy types' were initially accusing the Army of poisoning the atmosphere so that the PPP could not release Davis. So which one is it?

Secondly, since there was so much public support behind trying Davis for his crimes, what could the Army have done if the political leadership chose to not release him?

[/quote]while generals cannot even be called for any sort of trial or even a "proper, in-depth, factual" explanation in the NA on the money WE THE NATION give them to run our defence.[/QUOTE]
We know what equipment the Army has, generally what the pay scales are etc. People can easily estimate the amount of resources required and used for basic military functions, and analyze the budget.

 

[third eye]

Bahut Der Kar di Mehreban aate aate

Too little too late IMO and for the gallery perhaps ?

 

[ramu]

Did I say that 'works'?

It is a 'work in progress'. The only satisfactory solution IMO is that Pakistan take over the operation of the drones with US advisers and consultants present with Pakistani operators.

But it does illustrate that Pakistan can bring pressure to bear on the US.

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See reply to Ramu above.

Thanks for the reply AM. What you said may well be the case. However, is Pakistan so weak to let CIA have a parallel to ISI to an extent that they are emboldened to say they do not need intelligence from ISI for the drone strikes. Two facts come out of this.

1. This allows them to strike at will at targets that they consider as threat without the permission of Pakistan.
2. It is a blow to ISI, clearly with two lions in a den.

In the history of Pakistan, no one has challenged ISI as much as challenges up against it in the last 3 months.