Myanmar to Buy Some 60 Russian BMP-3 Infantry Fighting Vehicles

[masud]

Why drag India unnecessarily in this matter,it's between you and Myanmar,India has nothing to do with it nor we ae planning any invasion of BD in the near future!!Plus,don't write the name of a sovereign country in small letters,it's a way of showing disrespect to that particular country!!

ON TOPIC:
1. we can,t afford different type weapons for different enemy , we need to buy multipurpos weapons (minimum wepons system to maximize use)..............
2. it will be folishnes to consider mayanmar is the only enemy and india is friend. (some times your best friend is became your wrost enemy)................



" look who are talking about "showing disrespect to that particular country" ? i have no intension to disrespect any country, even dis-respecting your enemy is not good.............
take a look at bangladesh defence foram, which is full of indian trollars................

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

i request you to watch my posted video about those weapon first Bangladesh Army | Page 191

my friend i think you imaging iraq, syriea type close urban warefare "where tank or apc passing road and you pop up from building and shot your rpg-27 and that tank blewup"...................
one of the father of armored blitkiriz ROMEL say " armored thrust can be succes when you have supporting infentry unit with it "
in short tank is sitting duck if you have no infentry support................

some example ( in checneya vs russia war , russia almost lost of it,s 300 t-80 tank), recentant basar al asads T-72 tank attack in syriea and isis vs iraqi m1a1................... THOSE DISESTER HAPPEND BECAUSE LACK OF infantry SUPPORT.

my friend mayanmar and india both have equipment and men power advantages. now mayanmar and bangladesh both have similar weapons but for the aqueation of BMP-3 mayanmar army have an edge over bangladesh army.
how....................?

mayanmar will operat there tank, btr-3 and BMP-3 against our tank and btr-80....................
and what we have little dis-advantages they have little more advantages, and some times little dis-advantages became made the difference betwen winner and losser.

CONCLUSSION..............?
that does mean rpg-27 is only option............? (we don,t have any rpg-27, we have metis-m and kornet misssile which can be counter by SOTORA system)
i think we should not depend on only one weapons or idea...............
we should deploy many different type multipurpos weapons and tackticks, in battle who knows which weapons and tackticks will gave the best result.....................?

Most of the Syrian tanks and US tanks that were destroyed were by guerilla units and there was very little or no support for them, whereas US and Syria had huge number of infantry or other tanks for support.

Also, in Burma, the land is filled with mud an d all other things that will slow down a tank. They have jungle too, you can hide there, take your shot and when the other tanks try to pursue you, you can lure them into traps and take them out.

Our military is better trained than theirs, they also are fighting a hundred different force, thus they can be attacked from anywhere, by anyone, for which their force is even more scattered.

The point of hybrid warfare is to engage into asymmetric, conventional, insurgency and psychological (propaganda) warfare. Also, our population is 3 times than theirs and a lot of their population are fighting against the government.

Also, BMP-3 isn't a tank but rather Infantry fighting vehicle (cheaper alternative). Meaning it has a weaker engine and light-weight too (thus not fast) which makes it vulnerable to other RPGs, meaning a small HEAT round can take them out.

Also, Kornet is much better than the RPG-27. It took out a Merkava-3 from the front (where the armour is the strongest). It has 10 times the range of RPG-27 and is guided too.

 

[masud]

Most of the Syrian tanks and US tanks that were destroyed were by guerilla units and there was very little or no support for them, whereas US and Syria had huge number of infantry or other tanks for support.

Also, in Burma, the land is filled with mud an d all other things that will slow down a tank. They have jungle too, you can hide there, take your shot and when the other tanks try to pursue you, you can lure them into traps and take them out.

Our military is better trained than theirs, they also are fighting a hundred different force, thus they can be attacked from anywhere, by anyone, for which their force is even more scattered.

The point of hybrid warfare is to engage into asymmetric, conventional, insurgency and psychological (propaganda) warfare. Also, our population is 3 times than theirs and a lot of their population are fighting against the government.

Also, BMP-3 isn't a tank but rather Infantry fighting vehicle (cheaper alternative). Meaning it has a weaker engine and light-weight too (thus not fast) which makes it vulnerable to other RPGs, meaning a small HEAT round can take them out.

Also, Kornet is much better than the RPG-27. It took out a Merkava-3 from the front (where the armour is the strongest). It has 10 times the range of RPG-27 and is guided too.

i think you are talking about RPG-29 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia..............
simple you are trying to say we have anti tank weapons so we don,t need other weapons or what? i don,t get you point.........
any way, my logic is simple war is fought betwen sword and shield, i consider anti tank as shield and armored unit as sword, each platfrom or weapons system has it,s own tacktical advantages. bangladesh army is not a garulia force it,s a professional army. and i always thought "naver underestimate your enemy"....................

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

i think you are talking about RPG-29 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia..............
simple you are trying to say we have anti tank weapons so we don,t need other weapons or what? i don,t get you point.........
any way, my logic is simple war is fought betwen sword and shield, i consider anti tank as shield and armored unit as sword, each platfrom or weapons system has it,s own tacktical advantages. bangladesh army is not a garulia force it,s a professional army. and i always thought "naver underestimate your enemy"....................

I am talking about RPG-27. I heard somewhere that we put an order for it with the 2 kilo-class submarines. But RPG-29 too can take out IFVs.

Our Army specializes in both guerilla and conventional warfare, because the biggest threat out there for us can't be taken on as an Army, thus we need to resort to asymmetric warfare.

We also train in asymmetric warfare because insurgents might try it on us and knowing it is greatly beneficial for the Army.

 

[masud]

I am talking about RPG-27. I heard somewhere that we put an order for it with the 2 kilo-class submarines. But RPG-29 too can take out IFVs.

Our Army specializes in both guerilla and conventional warfare, because the biggest threat out there for us can't be taken on as an Army, thus we need to resort to asymmetric warfare.

We also train in asymmetric warfare because insurgents might try it on us and knowing it is greatly beneficial for the Army.

bangladeh army use upg-27 = not agree (show me the link plz)...............

Our Army specializes in both guerilla and conventional warfare, because the biggest threat out there for us can't be taken on as an Army, thus we need to resort to asymmetric warfare.

We also train in asymmetric warfare because insurgents might try it on us and knowing it is greatly beneficial for the Army. = totally agree.............
WHY.........?
ans= AS I PREVIOUSLY SAID it will be folishnes to consider mayanmar is the only enemy and india is friend. in short both army is our enemy.

BUT THE QUESTION IS STILL SAME ? THAT DOES MEAN WE DON,T NEED ANY ARMOERD UNIT AS LIKE BMP-3?
YES OR NOT............?

 

[Penguin]

Also, BMP-3 isn't a tank but rather Infantry fighting vehicle (cheaper alternative). Meaning it has a weaker engine and light-weight too (thus not fast) which makes it vulnerable to other RPGs, meaning a small HEAT round can take them out.
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The BMP-3 is a Soviet amphibious infantry fighting vehicle, successor to the BMP-1 and BMP-2. The abbreviation BMP stands for Boevaya Mashina Pehoty (literally "Infantry Combat Vehicle"). An infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) or mechanized infantry combat vehicle (MICV) is a type of armoured fighting vehicle used to carry infantry into battle and then provide direct fire support. Infantry fighting vehicles are distinct from armoured personnel carriers (APCs), which are transport vehicles armed only for self-defense and not specifically engineered to fight on their own. Consequently, they possess heavier armament and the attached rifle squad fights mounted more often than in an APC. IFVs also often have improved armor and some have ports which allow the infantry to fire personal weapons while on board. IFVs are usually tracked, but there are some wheeled vehicles too. IFVs are much less heavily armed and protected than main battle tanks, However, they are designed to be able to keep up with tanks in the field. And to pose a threat to them. Typicall, they armed with a 20 to 40 mm caliber autocannon, a coaxial machine gun and sometimes anti-tank guided missile system (ATGMs).

A BMP-3 weigh 18-19 tons, has a 500 hp (375 kW) and a power to weight ratio of 27 hp/tonne. Range is 600 km (370 mi). Top speeds:
72 km/h (45 mph) (road)
45 km/h (28 mph) (off-road)
10 km/h (6.2 mph) (water)

That is better than a T-90 in the comparable respects.
Power/weight
18.2 hp/tonne (13.3 kW/tonne)(T-90)
20.4 hp/tonne (15 kW/tonne) (T-90A)
Operational range
550 km (340 mi) (without fuel drums)
Speed 60 km/h (37 mph)

 

[masud]

@Stannis Baratheon I think below video will try to help you what i am arguing for, love from RUSSIA..............

havy fire support+ ifv+ amphibious+ versitily etc about BMP-3.
BMP-3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

which rpg destroyed most of tank in syriea and iraq, the tackticks of destroying tank (no infentry support for tank).......

RPG-29 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

RPG-27 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

how rpg can be efectively useless..............
Shtora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arena (countermeasure) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

@Stannis Baratheon I think below video will try to help you what i am arguing for, love from RUSSIA..............

havy fire support+ ifv+ amphibious+ versitily etc about BMP-3.
BMP-3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

which rpg destroyed most of tank in syriea and iraq, the tackticks of destroying tank (no infentry support for tank).......

RPG-29 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

RPG-27 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

how rpg can be efectively useless..............
Shtora - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arena (countermeasure) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Burma doesn't have APS (active protection system) and also firing 2 RPG's simultaneously will render Arena APS useless.

Here's an example of heavy infantry getting stuck (BMP-3 in this case)

I would have posted videos of tanks being destroyed by RPGs but the forum rules prohibit me from doing so as people are killed. Thus I am giving you YouTube search terms instead.

1. War in Iraq 2014. RPG-7 and Mine destroy M1 Abrams Tank. Abrams M1 vs RPG 7.
At the end of the video you will see an RPG-29 fired at M1A1 and the tank starts to cook up.

2. M1 Abrams destroyed by RPG-29 in Iraq 2015

And you will find many videos of tanks being destroyed by RPGs.

Shtora doesn't work against RPG-27 or RPG-29, as these aren't laser guided or have any guidance system.

Also, heavy infantry are good targets for fighter jets and if you don't have an adequate Air Force and Air Defence System, your tanks are just target practice.

These BMP-3s are good for transferring troops but not in warzones. You use helicopters and planes there aka paratroopers.

A BMP-3 costs $3-4 million but the Chinese version of the Predator drone costs about $1 million and can easily take out a tank. Also, since it flies, it is faster and can take out multiple targets at once or in a short period of time. Modern Armies prefer drones over tanks, as insurgents have very little experience in taking out air targets.

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

ans= AS I PREVIOUSLY SAID it will be folishnes to consider mayanmar is the only enemy and india is friend. in short both army is our enemy.

I always had the same opinion. Don't think why we need to argue on something we both agree on!

 

[masud]

Burma doesn't have APS (active protection system) and also firing 2 RPG's simultaneously will render Arena APS useless.

Here's an example of heavy infantry getting stuck (BMP-3 in this case)

I would have posted videos of tanks being destroyed by RPGs but the forum rules prohibit me from doing so as people are killed. Thus I am giving you YouTube search terms instead.

1. War in Iraq 2014. RPG-7 and Mine destroy M1 Abrams Tank. Abrams M1 vs RPG 7.
At the end of the video you will see an RPG-29 fired at M1A1 and the tank starts to cook up.

2. M1 Abrams destroyed by RPG-29 in Iraq 2015

And you will find many videos of tanks being destroyed by RPGs.

Shtora doesn't work against RPG-27 or RPG-29, as these aren't laser guided or have any guidance system.

Also, heavy infantry are good targets for fighter jets and if you don't have an adequate Air Force and Air Defence System, your tanks are just target practice.

These BMP-3s are good for transferring troops but not in warzones. You use helicopters and planes there aka paratroopers.

A BMP-3 costs $3-4 million but the Chinese version of the Predator drone costs about $1 million and can easily take out a tank. Also, since it flies, it is faster and can take out multiple targets at once or in a short period of time. Modern Armies prefer drones over tanks, as insurgents have very little experience in taking out air targets.

it does not matter how powerfull air force you have - you need to foot in ground to win war, now you bring air force in respons i can counter it with sam system (vietnam vs usa war, 1973 egypt vs israel war).
i am not going to arguing with you any more.
you want to relay on ATGM simple but i want both atgm + ifv.................(end of discussion)

 

[Stannis Baratheon]

it does not matter how powerfull air force you have - you need to foot in ground to win war, now you bring air force in respons i can counter it with sam system (vietnam vs usa war, 1973 egypt vs israel war).

Guess the tactics the Viet Cong used during the war! Also, they were supported by China in that war. SAM systems are the first target of Ariel bombardment. In 1973, Israel targeted Syrian SAM systems and also in later wars.