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alaungphaya, can you tell me a bit about the burmese people in germany?

some days ago, I saw a group young burmese. one told me they belong to the chin ethnic group. interesting: half of the women have light skin and facial structure like the people in china. half of the men have light skin, too. their faces are very similar to vietnamese. interesting.

personlly I think burma has a great future, blessed with a big landmass with lots of natural resources, located at a strategic point.
 
Which country/people group do Burmese people feel the deepest affinity to?

How would you rank each groups or countries?

I'm talking about the feeling of the average Burmese in Myanmar, not the political type.

Don't really know on that one. We're quite an insular and multi-ethnic society so having affinity with other countries is not a thing. I guess it would be Thailand from our neighbours for obvious reasons, but seeing as there aren't many 'Yodaya-thamarr' in the country, it comes down to the ones we have in the country - Chinese, Hindu Indians and Muslims. It would be a tough call between Hindus and Chinese. Racially we're closer to the Chinese but culturally we're closer to the Indians. So I don't think I can give a clear answer on that one. I do know that a lot of Burmese try to travel to Gaya atleast once in their life so maybe that tips it in India's favour.

alaungphaya, can you tell me a bit about the burmese people in germany?

some days ago, I saw a group young burmese. one told me they belong to the chin ethnic group. interesting: half of the women have light skin and facial structure like the people in china. half of the men have light skin, too. their faces are very similar to vietnamese. interesting.

personlly I think burma has a great future, blessed with a big landmass with lots of natural resources, located at a strategic point.

You'll have to be more specific, bro. What do you want to know? I don't know anything different about Burmese in Germany from Burmese in other countries. Were they Chins you saw or Bamar?
 
alaungphaya, can you tell me a bit about the burmese people in germany?

some days ago, I saw a group young burmese. one told me they belong to the chin ethnic group. interesting: half of the women have light skin and facial structure like the people in china. half of the men have light skin, too. their faces are very similar to vietnamese. interesting.

personlly I think burma has a great future, blessed with a big landmass with lots of natural resources, located at a strategic point.

May I just add, before the creation of Myanmar, formerly known as Burma, call it what you wish. Before it, their used to be different territories full of different tribes, however one tribal group wished to unite all of these group and so they did and they created the country today we know as Myanmar. As far as I know, there are still tension among st different tribal groups, who wan't their own country. But that happens everywhere, look India and China, both of these countries are similar to Myanmar, they where formed after invaders took over another land of a different ethnicity, that's why people look different in these countries. An indian from delhi will look different from an indian from assam, etc. This is probably why you see different people claiming to burmese, in short basically myanmar covers different areas who are full of different ethnic groups but they're all burmese.
 
You'll have to be more specific, bro. What do you want to know? I don't know anything different about Burmese in Germany from Burmese in other countries. Were they Chins you saw or Bamar?
just out of curiousity. the group of burmese chin people in germany believe to christianity, called "chin church". nice people.

May I just add, before the creation of Myanmar, formerly known as Burma, call it what you wish. Before it, their used to be different territories full of different tribes, however one tribal group wished to unite all of these group and so they did and they created the country today we know as Myanmar. As far as I know, there are still tension among st different tribal groups, who wan't their own country. But that happens everywhere, look India and China, both of these countries are similar to Myanmar, they where formed after invaders took over another land of a different ethnicity, that's why people look different in these countries. An indian from delhi will look different from an indian from assam, etc. This is probably why you see different people claiming to burmese, in short basically myanmar covers different areas who are full of different ethnic groups but they're all burmese.
okay, thank for the info.
 
just out of curiousity. these burmese chin people believe to christianity. nice people.
Yeah. Chins have gentle features and a lot of them are Christians. If they are in Germany then they are probably refugees. One thing I will say is that they have made the 'refugee' business an art. They are known for running people trafficking gangs so if you want to become a 'refugee' in a Western country, you usually have to go through a Chin broker. A lot of Rohingya use this service to get to Malaysia.

just out of curiousity. the group of burmese chin people in germany believe to christianity, called "chin church". nice people.

 
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Indonesia Seeks Closer Economic Ties With Myanmar
Senin, 22 April 2013 13:27 WIB | 2.096 Views
Pewarta: Fardah

Jakarta (Antara News) - As fellow member states of the Association of South East Asian Nations (ASEAN), Indonesia has always maintained good relations with Myanmar and strongly supported the democratization process in the country formerly called Burma.

Indonesia has lately intensified efforts to boost economic ties with Myanmar which has offered significant trade and investment opportunities as the Nay Pyi Taw administration has been moving towards democracy.

The two countries` high-ranking officials have frequently exchanged visits to strengthen the bilateral relations, particularly in trade and investment.

In May 2011, Myanmar`s President U Thein Sein paid a state visit to Indonesia. It was Sein`s first foreign trip since he was sworn in as Myanmar`s head of state on March 30 following elections in 2010.

President Sein and his Indonesian counterpart Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono in a bilateral meeting discussed efforts to increase investment from Indonesia in Myanmar, especially in energy, food and infrastructure. The leaders also agreed to boost bilateral trade to US$500 million by 2015.

With a bilateral trade standing US$472.76 million in the fiscal year 2011/12, Indonesia was Myanmar`s fourth largest trading partner among ASEAN member states after Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia.

Myanmar`s imports from Indonesia stood at US$431.82 million, while its exports represented US$40.94 million during the year.

According to official statistics, Indonesia`s investment in Myanmar amounted to US$241.497 million in 12 projects, accounting for 0.57 percent of the total as of February 2013 since Myanmar opened to such investment in late 1988, Xinhua reported.

Indonesia ranks as the 14th-largest source of foreign investment in Myanmar.

To reciprocate Sein`s visit, President Yudhoyono will pay a state visit to Myanmar on April 23 and 24, 2013, to boost bilateral ties. It will be his first state visit there since 2006.

"The visit is expected to strengthen the existing sound bilateral relations between the two nations. Nowadays, opportunities are huge for economic cooperation as Myanmar`s economy is open in line with the country`s ongoing democratic transformation process," Teuku Faizasyah, a presidential special staff for international relations, said in a statement in Jakarta on April 20, 2013.

During his stay in Myanmar, Yudhoyono will among other things

hold a bilateral meeting with President U Thein Sein to discuss the bilateral cooperation between Indonesia and Myanmar in various fields.

After the bilateral meeting, the two leaders will witness signings of several Memoranda of Understanding (MOUs) among other things on cooperation in rice trade, capacity building, and trade and vestment.

In early April this year, Indonesian Coordinating Minister for Economic Affairs Hatta Rajasa visited Nay Pyi Taw and announced that the two countries had set a target of increasing bilateral trade to US$1 billion by the end of 2016.

The target will be met partly through investments in the mining, agriculture, telecommunications, construction, banking and electric power sectors, Rajasa, who led a business delegation consisting of 60 representatives from 11 leading companies, said at a business forum at the Union of Myanmar Federation of Chambers and Commerce Industry (UMFCCI) on April 3, 2013, the Myanmar Times reported.

According to media reports, Indonesia has offered to buy 300,000 tonnes of rice from Myanmar with more to follow. Indonesia is also striving to promote direct investment in Myanmar in areas such as infrastructure and tourism and to boost cooperation in forestry, agriculture and fishery.

"We thank the Indonesian business friends and strongly recommend investing in Myanmar as we are welcoming ASEAN investors with favourable conditions. It is a strategic time to come to Myanmar," UMFCCI president U Win Aung said at the forum.

Indonesian Minister of State Enterprises Dahlan Iskan last March said about 15 state-owned enterprises wanted to invest in Myanmar in 2013.

Among the 15 companies are construction company PT Wijaya Karya (WIKA), electricity company PT PLN, tin firm PT Timah, aircraft maintenance company PT Garuda Maintenance Facilities (GMF), coal producer company PT Bukit Asam, state logistics agency Perum Bulog, PT Bank Negara Indonesia, fertilizer producer PT Pupuk Indonesia, cement company PT Semen Indonesia and telecommunication company PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia.

"Business is rising in Myanmar in accordance with the democratization process there," said Dahlan, adding that "All operational cost of Indonesian state owned companies in Myanmar will be taken care by PT Bank Negara Indonesia."

According to Minister Dahlan Iskan, of the 15 companies, three state companies have been granted business licenses by the Myanmar government to operate in that country.

Construction company PT Wijaya Karya (Wika), tin mining company PT Timah, and cement producer PT Semen Indonesia have secured the license and are ready to expand business in that country, Dahlan said on April 2, 2013.

The three companies already opened representatives offices in Myanmar, he said.

Wika is licensed to operate as construction service consultant and build a factory to produce concrete poles.

"Wika has already had a location for the factory to be owned jointly with a Myanmar local company," he said.

PT Timah won a tin mining concession and PT Semen Indonesia is licensed to build a new cement factory with a production capacity of one million tons a year.

"I have visited to inspect the situation in Myanmar. The political condition has improved over the past six months," the minister said.

The minister earlier said electricity company PT PLN will cooperate with local company in Myanmar in reducing electricity loses rate in the country which is still at 26 percent. In Indonesia, the electricity loses rate is below 10 percent.

Aircraft maintenance company PT GMF will offer maintenance

service to aircraft companies in Myanmar.

Indonesian coal producer PT Bukit Asam will invest US$80 million to build a 2x20 Megawatt steam power plant.

PT Telekomunikasi Indonesia Tbk. (Telkom) will continue with its expansion program in Myanmar despite its recent failure to win a tender to be a cellular phone operator in that country.

"The Myanmarese government is intensifying efforts to provide access to information technology for its citizens. Telkom is optimistic it could become the Myanmarese government`s reliable partner for the development of information technology infrastructure in Myanmar," the company`s Public Relations Operation Vice President Arif Prabowo said in a press statement on April 12, 2013.

He said although PT Telkom had failed to be included among shortlisted bidders for cellular phone operations it was optimistic its business opportunity in that country is still wide open especially in the fields of digital media and information communication and technology (ICT) solutions needed by small, medium enterprises and corporations in that country.

Until now PT Telkom through its subsidiary, PT Telekomunikasi International (Telin), has successfully expanded to Hong Kong, Timor Leste, Singapore, Australia and Malaysia.

In the political relations, Indonesia`s former vice president Jusuf Kalla last year visited Myanmar`s Rakhine state which has been hit by sectarian conflicts involving Buddhists and Muslim Rohingya.

And in January, Indonesian Foreign Affairs Minister Marty Natalagawa gained rare access to one of the areas hit hardest by the violence.

At the invitation of Myanmar`s President Thein Sein, Marty visited Rakhine State on January 7-8, 2013, to meet with Rohingya and Rakhine ethnic communities in refugee camps in Pauktaw, Sambalay village, Taungbaw village, Kyauktaw, Maw-Ya-Wadi village, Maungdaw, Ohn-Daw-Gyee and Min Gwan.

To demonstrate Indonesia`s sympathy and solidarity, the Indonesian government donated US$1 million in humanitarian aid to the victims of the ethnic violence in Rakhine State for the construction of their houses.

Indonesia has also been determined to contribute to the creation of mutual trust between the communities involved in the sectarian conflict, and to help promote economic growth in the region, Marty Natalegawa said following his visit to Rakhine.

"The economy of the state also needs a boost so there can be more jobs and people can enjoy a better quality of life in the future," Marty added.

Myanmar has been entrusted by its ASEAN fellow members to become the next ASEAN Chair in 2014 as the country had demonstrated progress towards democracy. ***3***
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Indonesia Seeks Closer Economic Ties With Myanmar - ANTARA News

unfortunately, many of us in Indonesia watching closely about what happened in Myanmar and especially the case of Rohingya refugee. Some of Indonesian businessman feel afraid and many postponing their plan to investing their money to Myanmar until religion tension in Myanmar ceased.
 
unfortunately, many of us in Indonesia watching closely about what happened in Myanmar and especially the case of Rohingya refugee. Some of Indonesian businessman feel afraid and many postponing their plan to investing their money to Myanmar until religion tension in Myanmar ceased.

Who? Do you have names? I'm quite pleased at the level of progress of interaction with Indonesia aswell as Malaysia.

I will say this. Indonesia needs to keep a check on its extremists and fundamentalists. I remember there was a plot to bomb the Myanmar embassy in Jakarta 2013. If you don't control this problem, you will become a fractious country such as Pakistan.
 
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Who? Do you have names? I'm quite pleased at the level of progress of interaction with Indonesia aswell as Malaysia.

I will say this. Indonesia needs to keep a check on its extremists and fundamentalists. I remember there was a plot to bomb the Myanmar embassy in Jakarta 2013. If you don't control this problem, you will become a fractious country such as Pakistan.

Indofood, Astra industries, BCA groups, Mandiri Bank, BRI, PLN, Mayapada group, Semen Gresik Indonesia is a few of them. Many of their employees is Muslim and we can't afford the risk amid the tension in Myanmar

xixixi, don't worry we are not like Myanmar who can't keep their extremist Buddhist in check and goes rampant into the street backed by their Armed forces. Don't you think it was Muslim only who exclusively own their extremist and fundamentalist?
 
normally. business man cares only profit. They only care about manageability of their employees. I don't believe any claims about businesses deny profit to favor politics. Ask yourself if u have a million dollars to be made with one of Myanmar's Junta , do u care rohingya?
 
Who? Do you have names? I'm quite pleased at the level of progress of interaction with Indonesia aswell as Malaysia.

I will say this. Indonesia needs to keep a check on its extremists and fundamentalists. I remember there was a plot to bomb the Myanmar embassy in Jakarta 2013. If you don't control this problem, you will become a fractious country such as Pakistan.
How about Burmese control Buddist monk? Indonesia is a strong inclusive society and Myanmar is a joke and falling apart.

normally. business man cares only profit. They only care about manageability of their employees. I don't believe any claims about businesses deny profit to favor politics. Ask yourself if u have a million dollars to be made with one of Myanmar's Junta , do u care rohingya?

Business houses always look for sustainability than making quick bucks with unstable political system.
 
How about Burmese control Buddist monk? Indonesia is a strong inclusive society and Myanmar is a joke and falling apart.



Business houses always look for sustainability than making quick bucks with unstable political system.
Perhaps in your country.
In Thailand, its always about getting into inner circle of those with powers and get quick bucks out of unsustainable projects. I can give many examples. One is our national OS project where Linux is actually used and nothing really original. Government then rewards to some expert on OS, which finally just waste of money on that company. This kind of examples are really really plenty.

Read history of Rakhaine in Bangladesh and how they flee the persecution and found refuge in Bengal. Read half of Rohingyas who fled Myanmar and 1/2 of all of them found refuge in Bangladesh. You just cant push millions out of your country and expect a third country to accept them. 5/10000 can be done but millions or half of the population of Arakan??? You must be smoking something. We are already over burdened.

Besides its not only the finding refuge but those people have property in Myanmar. Will you leave all your life savings and your parental property only because some animal like neighbor want them for free?

Your argument is valid. If Bangladesh has done a lot of jobs migrating these refugee into, then at some point BD can say the word "enough".

But then again, because you do not regard Rohingya as one of your kinds, even though they share the same language from long long time ago, then what is your point to cry when Myanmar execute them? I'm not saying what Myanmar doing is the right thing, though.
 
Perhaps in your country.
In Thailand, its always about getting into inner circle of those with powers and get quick bucks out of unsustainable projects. I can give many examples. One is our national OS project where Linux is actually used and nothing really original. Government then rewards to some expert on OS, which finally just waste of money on that company. This kind of examples are really really plenty.

I was talking about big multinational corporate house.

Your argument is valid. If Bangladesh has done a lot of jobs migrating these refugee into, then at some point BD can say the word "enough".

But then again, because you do not regard Rohingya as one of your kinds, even though they share the same language from long long time ago, then what is your point to cry when Myanmar execute them? I'm not saying what Myanmar doing is the right thing, though.


We have different ethnicity, race and religion in our country. We cant call any foreigner as ours and give preference to any particular ethnicity while granting refugee status. If we welcome Rohingyas in our country then the Rakhaine and Marma's who are also BD citizen will feel discriminated. Again if we let them come in on the basis of religion then our Hindus and Buddhist will feel discriminated. So our citizen comes first regardless of race and religion and that is what our constitution says.

Secondly we are the most populated country on the earth and we cant take anymore and we are poor as well. We did what we could.

Thirdly, No country should be rewarded for the atrocities against minorities. If we all start allowing Rohingyas which is what Burmese want will be a reward for them. We should including Thailand (Karen refugee) should press for repatriation of all refugee and equal rights and honor once repatriated in Burma.


Human rights is a universal thing. We will always raise our concern when people are butchered specially in the next door. Its does not mean we have to bring those in but we should always press the perpetrator and if possible send them to Hague.
 
normally. business man cares only profit. They only care about manageability of their employees. I don't believe any claims about businesses deny profit to favor politics. Ask yourself if u have a million dollars to be made with one of Myanmar's Junta , do u care rohingya?

We need safety to conduct business, ethnic and religious hatred issue is very dangerous for business people, as our population is largely Muslim, don't you think we can send people and money into the country who regards Muslim as their enemy and should be butchered at en masse?
 

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