Muslim women cannot object to husbands’ marriages: CII chief

[KingMamba]

I have heard that a woman can write in the marriage contract that her husband cant take another wife.

Yeah if the woman has an issue she can just make it a grounds for divorce in the nikah contract.

Said no religious leader in India. So its low IQ to compare both cases.

Doesn't matter still happens. Heck some say Aishwarya Rai had to marry a tree lol.

 

[khujliwal]

I have a question, why is 4 the upper limit. In my job I have successfully handled teams with size upto 30-35 folks. I have good team handling/coordination/people relational skills. I if can stay fair to all, why restrict me to 4 coz ye dil(and something way below dil) mange more.

 

[KingMamba]

Let us not forget the phrase "or that which your right hands possess" and its significance in this context, which makes all laundis and slaves available to their master in addition to the wife/wives.

Yes let us not forget but you seem to have forgotten the meaning of the first word you decided to quote thereby making a wrong insinuation, the limit for marriage is four. The Quran allowed Muslim men to marry their slave women but they in fact did count in the number of wives. Not doing so would mean that any sexual relations between Man and woman would have been out of wedlock, which is clearly against the teachings of Islam. There is a huge difference between or versus and which considering your profession I should not need to remind you. However since the insinuation you made is so off mark I will enlighten you anyway.

or- used to link alternatives
or definition - Google Search

Example- I ask you, "do you want a banana or an apple"? You say, "an apple", does that mean you will get the banana in addition to the apples? I don't think so.

Now if it had said "and" it would make sense for you to assume it is allowing marriage to slaves in addition to the rest of the wives.

and- used to connect words of the same part of speech, clauses, or sentences that are to be taken jointly.
and definition - Google Search

Have a good day.

 

[Narashima]

what the hell is that?

he is talking about Nikah Halala

 

[Mav3rick]

Gita does not contain any of that. Read it for free, you will enjoy it.

Secondly we are allowed to disregard any verses or even deny the supremacy of the Vedas/Gita etc - even not believe in God. Dissent and evolution is a part of all Dharmic faiths. So your dragging the Dharmic faiths into this pit is really unnecessary.

So basically you are allowed to pick and choose whatever suits you from your religion......or choose not to follow it altogether, right? That is a personal choice, the same is applicable in every religion as one's personal choice. But as Muslims we believe that we are answerable for each and every single act of ours in the afterlife and will have to justify each and every thing. It's not like we can pick or choose what we like and ignore the rest because we will have to answer for it.

First i didnt argue about religion with you. Normally i avoid religious debates especially with the kind of you. This is not about religion. This is about human rights and a dignity. Whether you are ready to accept women as human or some cattle. You dont need a book to decide that.

It was the humane angle on that which i questioned because that is what which should be questioned.

It's kind of funny that you avoid religious debates with 'my' kind and yet here we are.

Secondly, the permission to have up to 4 wives is as humane as it gets.........Most of the time people use it to support widows or divorcees, women who are unable to look after themselves and who need male support. There is a tiny fraction who use this so as to stay away from sins of immoral activities including adultery and prostitution.

And lastly, instead of considering yourself the source of all intelligence and experience, perhaps it is a much better idea to come into arguments with an open mind as there is always, always, some one who knows something more then you do, be it anything in the world.

 

[Mav3rick]

and what about Halala or Harara its being misused in INDIA mulla offers their own services(and sometime going in for many weeks or months) ... is it so in pakistan???

Halala is the process where a woman has to marry another man, after divorce from the first husband, and gets a divorce from him to re-marry the first husband. But remember:

1. Divorce is an act which is extremely disliked and is recommended only in the most severe of circumstances. It is explained as something so unpleasant that it makes the heavens shudder.
2. After divorce (3 times verbally) the woman becomes a na-mehram for the man. Islam also strongly recommends that divorced/widowed women marry as soon as possible.
3. If the man/woman realize that the act of divorce was in anger/spontaneous mistake etc., and that they want to get back together then Halala has to be performed.
4. Halala is a process of complete marriage and women cannot just marry another man for Halala. The marriage has to be a proper marriage where both the parties attempt their best to live the rest of their lives as a married couple unless we land at condition 1 again. And only then can the woman seek divorce from the 2nd Husband and re-marry the first.

From your post it appears that Halala is being abused in India.

 

[Saradiel]

So basically you are allowed to pick and choose whatever suits you from your religion......or choose not to follow it altogether, right? That is a personal choice, the same is applicable in every religion as one's personal choice. But as Muslims we believe that we are answerable for each and every single act of ours in the afterlife and will have to justify each and every thing. It's not like we can pick or choose what we like and ignore the rest because we will have to answer for it.



It's kind of funny that you avoid religious debates with 'my' kind and yet here we are.

Secondly, the permission to have up to 4 wives is as humane as it gets.........Most of the time people use it to support widows or divorcees, women who are unable to look after themselves and who need male support. There is a tiny fraction who use this so as to stay away from sins of immoral activities including adultery and prostitution.

And lastly, instead of considering yourself the source of all intelligence and experience, perhaps it is a much better idea to come into arguments with an open mind as there is always, always, some one who knows something more then you do, be it anything in the world.

open minded discussions with religious fanatics is a contradiction. The problem is you do not understand this is not a religious matter but a humane matter. The reason i avoid talking about religion is because it is useless.
women are not some feeble creatures who need man's protection every time especially in this modern world. They are individuals who are just like men who have feelings. They are not some cattle whom men can collect. It is this very humane point that you fail to grasp. One doesnt need religion to understand that.
As i said earlier a woman will rather stay alone than sharing her husband with another woman because that woman is a human with feelings.
Imagine your wife enjoying with another man? How would you feel? Imagine you been pushed to accept that without having chance even to question it or leave the woman? It is rather your belief that women are cattle to be collected tha makes you think like that.

And i repeat a woman would rather stay alone with no husband than sharing her husband with many women

 

[Mav3rick]

Yes very... Also in Iran with so-called temporary marriages or one-night stands

Temporary marriages were allowed in Islam in the earlier days. They were disallowed by Caliph Hazrat Umar Siddiq (R.A.) I believe.

open minded discussions with religious fanatics is a contradiction. The problem is you do not understand this is not a religious matter but a humane matter. The reason i avoid talking about religion is because it is useless.
women are not some feeble creatures who need man's protection every time especially in this modern world. They are individuals who are just like men who have feelings. They are not some cattle whom men can collect. It is this very humane point that you fail to grasp. One doesnt need religion to understand that.
As i said earlier a woman will rather stay alone than sharing her husband with another woman because that woman is a human with feelings.
Imagine your wife enjoying with another man? How would you feel? Imagine you been pushed to accept that without having chance even to question it or leave the woman? It is rather your belief that women are cattle to be collected tha makes you think like that.

And i repeat a woman would rather stay alone with no husband than sharing her husband with many women

I seriously wonder, with the use of the word in your post, how many cattle you and your family sleep with, live with, have intercourse with, eat with and have children with!

 

[nair]

I dono how long will it take to treat women as equals.....

 

[Saradiel]

Temporary marriages were allowed in Islam in the earlier days. They were disallowed by Caliph Hazrat Umar Siddiq (R.A.) I believe.



I seriously wonder, with the use of the word in your post, how many cattle you and your family sleep with, live with, have intercourse with, eat with and have children with!

it is not with cattle, that is why we reject and look down upon polygamy and those who advocate it. Only cattle keepers fail to distinguish between women and cattle

 

[Mav3rick]

Typical cases are not to be taken seriously..This kind of things happen in every religion in the world..But Muslims can marry own relatives or marry 9 year old girls,its not typical & thinking girls like a tool to be decorated according to your men ruled society..We are not living in stone age,gramps!!


Let women be free..Don't make them puppet..Now you can see the difference I hope..

Yes, girls as young as 9 may be married, betrothed basically, but they cannot be sent (rukhsati) to their betrothed until they are 18, give their adult consent and go through Nikkah. So the marriage cannot be consummated until the girl is of legal age as per religion and gives her consent to marry the man.

Now can you and your type grow up?

it is not with cattle, that is why we reject and look down upon polygamy and those who advocate it. Only cattle keepers fail to distinguish between women and cattle

So why the obsession with cattle then? Answer my question, how many cattle do you sleep with, have intercourse with, respect, seek advise from etc.?? Because apparently there is no difference b/w them and a wife in your eyes.

 

[Saradiel]

Yes, girls as young as 9 may be married, betrothed basically, but they cannot be sent (rukhsati) to their betrothed until they are 18, give their adult consent and go through Nikkah. So the marriage cannot be consummated until the girl is of legal age as per religion and gives her consent to marry the man.

Now can you and your type grow up?



So why the obsession with cattle then? Answer my question, how many cattle do you sleep with, have intercourse with, respect, seek advise from etc.?? Because apparently there is no difference b/w them and a wife in your eyes.

before discussing religion learn to understand and comprehend an argument without toying with words. No wonder you ppl insult your own religion and your ppl.
Not in my eyes, your eyes, that is why you want to collect them and have no regard to their feelings.....

 

[Narashima]

I dono how long will it take to treat women as equals.....

you may have misconcluded something but according to muslims islam do provide women equality, justice and the deserved respect
refer :- @Mav3rick

 

[nair]

you may have misconcluded something but according to muslims islam do provide women equality, justice and the deserved respect
refer :- @Mav3rick

Well if i elaborate what i meant the discussion would turn into a religious one..... I do not want to discuss religious things on a forum.... My point was only wrt to marriage - The day women is allowed to marry 4 men then you can tell yes there is equality......

 

[Narashima]

Well if i elaborate what i meant the discussion would turn into a religious one..... I do not want to discuss religious things on a forum.... My point was only wrt to marriage - The day women is allowed to marry 4 men then you can tell yes there is equality......

that's your POV, but different societies have different meanings for equality and one should respect that.