Musharraf is a coward: Lal Masjid Cleric

[Comet]

True, but you can't paint every one with the same brush! I'm religious (somewhat) and i don't use religion to justify killing and bombing innocent people (both Muslims and non-Muslims) and neither do other Muslims i know.

I have been saying this. Hasty Generalization is a fallacy, avoid it.

 

[U-571]

people also support musharraf who is the scu.m of the earth and needs to be shot dead on sight, where is he hiding now, why doesnt he come back to face charges, if he is true. like a jackel. will he run his party like this too?? his legacy was american and western arse kissing and he refuges in the west now.

musharraf did wrong things like targeting the holy place, killing the weak people and his is legacy is dividing pakistan. does the burqa wala moulana needs more death then this person who misused his authority and let the country into a civil war and deep sh1t hole!!

 

[U-571]

Those are not Pakistani Soldiers..they are thugs who attacked Pakistan Army.

but it was army which first cracked down on them even targeted a mosque!!!

musharraf marched pakistani soldiers to kill own pakistanis in the capital, now a pakistani living abroad will be deeply embarrassed to call himself a pakistani after all this. massacre of pakistanis in the name of war on terror.

 

[U-571]

Again, why are you bringing in 72 virgins?

because she stands for women rights, in the heaven she will stand for women rights too!!

she is first frustrated for being a women esp in a pakistani society..

 

[sparklingway]

people also support musharraf who is the scu.m of the earth and needs to be shot dead on sight, where is he hiding now, why doesnt he come back to face charges, if he is true. like a jackel. will he run his party like this too?? his legacy was american and western arse kissing and he refuges in the west now.

musharraf did wrong things like targeting the holy place, killing the weak people and his is legacy is dividing pakistan. does the burqa wala moulana needs more death then this person who misused his authority and let the country into a civil war and deep sh1t hole!!

Pervez Musharraf was given patronage and elected as the President by whatever form of Parliament existed in those days. He is a citizen who has served his country on the battlefront. He toppled an elected government in the wake of a military failure and he violated his oath and trampled the constitution. However this does not allow you, or anybody, to cry death sentences.

We are a civilized society (or trying to be). We aren't tribals anymore and this isn't 300 BC where you just announce a death sentence on a mere recital of "crimes".

His Excellency The Absconder Commando like every other person on this planet deserves a fair trial. If he has the courage, which should not be something alien to a soldier of his caliber, then he should return to this country. Sadly, in a country like ours vendetta is a big thing.

I would never like to see him take part in active politics or even express a political opinion publicly but I will support providing him immunity against all civil and criminal charges. Mud-slinging, dirty legal battles on framed up charges and legal-political crucifixions destroyed our country for the last quarter of the previous century. It's time we move on. Let Pervez Musharraf spend his days relaxing in his farm house and let us remain busy in advancing a progressive political environment.

And most importantly, any more apologetic or sympathetic comments towards officially declared Lal Masjid terrorists will not be tolerated.

 

[U-571]

he a thousands on pakistani blood on his hands and you are saying to let him stay in peace. look at the country now, this whole delimma faced by pakistanis, with the stories of scores of pakistanis killed every day has come through his blessings, the soil of pakistan is bleeding and you gonna give him peace????..

hitler was dictator too but still he was good to his country, he didnt slain his german people for sake of americans, he didnt betray his own people. he made his country proud, would you find some parallels in musharraf, complete opposite indeed.. i would consider even hiler and several african warlords better than this man. its the will of this country's people that this country survives and remains one piece, or the likes of zerdari, musharraf, bhutto etc etc it had already torn into zillion pieces..

 

[U-571]

And most importantly, any more apologetic or sympathetic comments towards officially declared Lal Masjid terrorists will not be tolerated.

its your definition, and people are not bound to follow what you speak or think. for me musharraf was a bloody terrorist warlord, he terrorised pakistanis with his power.

 

[Comet]

Pervez Musharraf was given patronage and elected as the President by whatever form of Parliament existed in those days. He is a citizen who has served his country on the battlefront. He toppled an elected government in the wake of a military failure and he violated his oath and trampled the constitution. However this does not allow you, or anybody, to cry death sentences.

Which Parliament? the one chosen by him?

Oh Come on, I thought you could think better

We are a civilized society (or trying to be). We aren't tribals anymore and this isn't 300 BC where you just announce a death sentence on a mere recital of "crimes".

Breaking news, we aren't Hint(NWFP, Baluchistan)

His Excellency The Absconder Commando like every other person on this planet deserves a fair trial. If he has the courage, which should not be something alien to a soldier of his caliber, then he should return to this country. Sadly, in a country like ours vendetta is a big thing.

Yeah, right. If you can't face the so called vendetta, who asked you to become Ruler in the first place?

I would never like to see him take part in active politics or even express a political opinion publicly but I will support providing him immunity against all civil and criminal charges. Mud-slinging, dirty legal battles on framed up charges and legal-political crucifixions destroyed our country for the last quarter of the previous century. It's time we move on. Let Pervez Musharraf spend his days relaxing in his farm house and let us remain busy in advancing a progressive political environment.

So it means, every one who rapes my country is free to leave and have a "Peaceful life?"

 

[SSGPA1]

Gen. Musharraf did make some mistakes and most of them are acknowledged by him, however, despite those mistakes he did good for the country. Here is one example -

The Survey of All Pakistan Labor Force in 2007 and 2008 showed that there have been over 21 million labor children between the ages of 10 to 14 working in the country, out of which 73 percent are boys and 27 percent are girls. It is almost double of what Human Rights Commission of Pakistan estimated in 2005.

Child labor alarmingly rising in Pakistan

Compare 2005 with today and you will get an answer.

Now as far as Abdul Aziz is concerned, not only that he escaped in a burqa but he also left his wife behind him. A brave man would never do that.

 

[S.U.R.B.]

And his American friends helped him all the way i guess.

"He's a bastard, but he's our bastard."

A typical US' kidglove treatment of Musharraf compared to its hardline stand on leaders of Venezuela and Iran.

 

[FreekiN]

Maulana Aunty

BWAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHA


i had to.

 

[ice_man]

No, no. Maulana Aziz and party had collected SMGs, a whole bunch of ammunition and armory including gas masks for birthday parties.

They had collected these very peaceful things for prayers and teaching Islam. Our brave soldiers were killed by flowers thrown by the peaceful clerics.

Next time you condone terrorism or sympathize with terrorists, admin will not tolerate it.

These soldiers sacrificed their lives and you sympathize with their killers. Go and ask their families about the propaganda that seems to have filled your mind.

This was an orchestrated drama by Mushi & Mullah! that went HAYWIRE!!!! i fail to understand where the lal masjid thugs got their sophisticated guns & gas masks from??? unless ofcourse the government provided it!


i guess half way through the drama mushi & the mullah had a falling out and the whole think spiraled out of control!!


mushi wanted to remain in power and for that he needed to show "THREAT" to Pakistan is growing unless the USA strengthens mushi! while the Mullahs just wanted some lime light & media coverage!


in the WHOLE DRAMA INNOCENT SOLDIERS & WOMEN PAID THE PRICE WITH THEIR LIVES!

 

[Nav]

Can any body elobrate the role of Aunty shamem in Lal masjid tragedy?

 

[Solomon2]

Pervez Musharraf was given patronage and elected as the President by whatever form of Parliament existed in those days. He is a citizen who has served his country on the battlefront. He toppled an elected government in the wake of a military failure and he violated his oath and trampled the constitution. However this does not allow you, or anybody, to cry death sentences.

If Pakistani politicians weren't so corrupt, if the justice system wasn't so dysfunctional, I would indeed have labelled Mushy's actions treason and concluded that he merited death without a trial from coup-corrupted courts.

We are a civilized society (or trying to be). We aren't tribals anymore - I do indeed see this as Pakistan's true battle.

Sadly, in a country like ours vendetta is a big thing.

Pakistanis do have to fight to apply civil and criminal law uniformly and justly.

I will support providing him immunity against all civil and criminal charges.

Are you certain that really is the correct approach? Wouldn't he do a greater service to Pakistan by allowing himself to be put on trial? (A fair one, not a kangaroo court.)

 

[sparklingway]

If Pakistani politicians weren't so corrupt, if the justice system wasn't so dysfunctional, I would indeed have labelled Mushy's actions treason and concluded that he merited death without a trial from coup-corrupted courts.

I never said that a usurper shouldn't be sentenced in a civilized society. Our dilemma is far bigger, we have illegal usurpers and legal usurpers besides our shadow governments.

Pakistanis do have to fight to apply civil and criminal law uniformly and justly.

There is no question about that.

Are you certain that really is the correct approach? Wouldn't he do a greater service to Pakistan by allowing himself to be put on trial? (A fair one, not a kangaroo court.)

I was suggesting a complete washing of previous political crimes. Our political culture is hung up on these and we need a new start. Something that I guess cannot be understood outside third world politics. Forgetting the Mush years (politically not the economic legacy of elitism) is far better than starting a fist fight between the executive and the khaki that seeks to protect its former members in order to maintain its sanctity and image.

A battle between the executive and the military is unnecessary and can only result in a catastrophe (the probability of the better alternative being far less likely). We've got a civilian set up, we need to strengthen it and that requires a cooperating military (a rarity in Pakistan) and basic ideological changes. Musharraf's trial will be a hiccup in the process and right wingers will jump the opportunity and shout the American-stooge propaganda against the government (forgetting that they accused Musharraf of being an American stooge) and start the conspiracy-to-defame-military campaign.

It's a hodge podge of legal battle (even after the complete overhaul of the concept of "doctrine of necessity" and all legal basis of martial laws in Sindh High Court Bar Association and Nadeem Ahmed vs Federation of Pakistan CP 8-9/2009 the whole area is still one hell of a mess). Pursuing cases against Musharraf right now will only add to the myriad of problems the state has to face. I'm personally unwilling to see him being prosecuted for usurping power just because of the whole political and social mess it will create. The people are the ultimate arbitrators of power, let them dictate what they want to do with him.