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You should lecture this to the countless in India who "worked hard" yet have to suffer unnecessarily. And you should lecture this to the ghosts of those students and farmers who "worked hard" but had to commit suicide for societally imposed reasons.

Where's your empathy, man ? You will just call them "losers" and carry on with your middle class life. That is why I told you that you should have been born a Dalit to understand the socio-economic problems in India.

Empathy is the basis of socialism.
Good thing I don't believe in socialism

Don't expect empathy from me for losers who commit suicide after failing in exams or not paying their debt
 
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@jamahir this is a leftist SJW from England who has a lot of student debt. Have a look at her desertation. Is it OK to spend almost £60, 000 and 3 years of your life on this?

Suppose tomorrow she goes into depression as she is unable to pay off her debt because she wasted time and money on a degree not worth the paper it's printed on and so didn't get a high paying job. Should I empathise with her?
 
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@jamahir this is a leftist SJW from England who has a lot of student debt. Have a look at her desertation. Is it OK to spend almost £60, 000 and 3 years of your life on this?

Suppose tomorrow she goes into depression as she is unable to pay off her debt because she wasted time and money on a degree not worth the paper it's printed on and so didn't get a high paying job. Should I empathise with her?

Do you know enough about her to call her a leftist ? An actual leftist, like Carlos ( the jackal ) ?

But the sillyness about the subject for her degree research and the debt she has run up, both are problems inherent to the British education system.
 
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Do you know enough about her to call her a leftist ?

Do you really think a right winger would ever write that nonsense?

But the sillyness about the subject for her degree research and the debt she has run up, both are problems inherent to the British education system

As for silliness of her subject I have shown you in other threads the kind of "research" that is carried out in JNU and this is right up that alley.

Her debt on the other hand points out one good thing about British education - You don't get to waste taxpayers money on studying frivolous subjects. Whatever time and money she wasted she herself would have to repay it and no honest taxpayer is footing the bill.

Serious question - if JNU charged full fees would we have seen an improvement in research output, a decrease in student politics and decrease in number of leftist in campus?
 
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You should lecture this to the countless in India who "worked hard" yet have to suffer unnecessarily. And you should lecture this to the ghosts of those students and farmers who "worked hard" but had to commit suicide for societally imposed reasons.

Where's your empathy, man ? You will just call them "losers" and carry on with your middle class life. That is why I told you that you should have been born a Dalit to understand the socio-economic problems in India.

Empathy is the basis of socialism.
@jamahir @Shantanu_Left this is what too much "empathy" in humanities subjects teach you


See point no. 7.1 These "intelectuals" and "economists" want to nationalize all private wealth to fight corona. Inke baap ka paisa hai kyaa?
Well what else can you expect from jholachhaps and freeloaders who never earned an honest living and were enjoying life on taxpayers money
 
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See point no. 7.1 These "intelectuals" and "economists" want to nationalize all private wealth to fight corona. Inke baap ka paisa hai kyaa?
Well what else can you expect from jholachhaps and freeloaders who never earned an honest living and were enjoying life on taxpayers money

I suppose they mean things like extra houses which are vacant, jewelry bought for wedding but which is actually unnecessary etc.

And it is high time things like the Reliance oil refinery are nationalized.

And readers should think about this. The Indian agricultural sector accounts for 50 percent of the workforce but contributes to only 17 to 18 percent of the country's GDP. Therefore the agricultural should adopt a collectivist farming approach to increase yields and reduce production of certain crops like rice so that other crops like wheat and maize can be exported. Additionally, agriculture should also be nationalized and made scientific ( via Vertical Farming and Urban Farming ) and the farmers should turn into salaried employees.

@Naofumi @Joe Shearer

Don't expect empathy from me for losers who commit suicide after failing in exams or not paying their debt

Then please do two things to speak about your non-empathy for such "losers" :

1. Create an article in the forum's new magazine section and make this view widely known to the readers of PDF.

2. Your profile-pic carries Modi's image. Tag him on Twitter and ask him to deliver your view to offline forums like UNO General Assembly or even the World Economic Forum.

Let us see how people react to your view.
 
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I suppose they mean things like extra houses which are vacant, jewelry bought for wedding but which is actually unnecessary etc.

And it is high time things like the Reliance oil refinery are nationalized.

And readers should think about this. The Indian agricultural sector accounts for 50 percent of the workforce but contributes to only 17 to 18 percent of the country's GDP. Therefore the agricultural should adopt a collectivist farming approach to increase yields and reduce production of certain crops like rice so that other crops like wheat and maize can be exported. Additionally, agriculture should also be nationalized and made scientific ( via Vertical Farming and Urban Farming ) and the farmers should turn into salaried employees.

@Naofumi @Joe Shearer
I don't agree; nationalisation will lead to incompetence and more corruption. The solutions should be thought of long term based i.e. creating more jobs through foreign investment, a focus on manufacturing sector as someone put "India on liberalisation bypassed the manufacturing period and jumped directly into the service one", need to fix that. I would also go for big land reforms and redistribution though.
@Nilgiri @Joe Shearer @jamahir @Soumitra
 
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I suppose they mean things like extra houses which are vacant, jewelry bought for wedding but which is actually unnecessary etc.

Since when does All mean extra?

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And it is high time things like the Reliance oil refinery are nationalized.

Kyon wo tumhare baap ki hai kyaa? Mukesh Ambani spent his money to build it. Based on its working he got billions of dollars in investment which he used to employ thousands of people. I don't even want Modiji to take control of the refinery. And if by any chance of fate pappu becomes PM he and his Jijaaji would suck it all dry
And readers should think about this. The Indian agricultural sector accounts for 50 percent of the workforce but contributes to only 17 to 18 percent of the country's GDP. Therefore the agricultural should adopt a collectivist farming approach to increase yields and reduce production of certain crops like rice so that other crops like wheat and maize can be exported. Additionally, agriculture should also be nationalized and made scientific ( via Vertical Farming and Urban Farming ) and the farmers should turn into salaried employees.
70% of people working in agriculture should leave it and the rest should treat it as a business. The 70% should work in manufacturing or services. Smaller landholding should be sold to bigger farmers so that it is profitable or to govt so that they can build infrastructure or to private companies to build factories or malls
1. Create an article in the forum's new magazine section and make this view widely known to the readers of PDF.
My views are well known. Anyone who sees my posts knows it. And I am not a leftist to be a hypocrite and change my views day to day
2. Your profile-pic carries Modi's image. Tag him on Twitter and ask him to deliver your view to offline forums like UNO General Assembly or even the World Economic Forum.
Why? He can present his own views
 
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We should discuss the Indian agriculture sector separately. It is a vast subject.
 
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We should discuss the Indian agriculture sector separately. It is a vast subject.

Well, taking a macro view it is a simple subject but I will take your advise and create a thread for this in some days.

70% of people working in agriculture should leave it and the rest should treat it as a business. The 70% should work in manufacturing or services. Smaller landholding should be sold to bigger farmers so that it is profitable or to govt so that they can build infrastructure or to private companies to build factories or malls

I agree with some of your opinion and will create a separate thread for agriculture.

I don't agree; nationalisation will lead to incompetence and more corruption.

There have been other countries which have nationalized various sectors ( either all sectors or one of them ) and that has led to overall improvement in quality of life in those countries.

The solutions should be thought of long term based i.e. creating more jobs through foreign investment

I don't think countries like Japan and Germany wait for foreign investment.

a focus on manufacturing sector as someone put "India on liberalisation bypassed the manufacturing period and jumped directly into the service one", need to fix that.

I agree. There has to be a massive manufacturing increase, in both ways - the traditional factory method of molding and the newer method of 3D Printing.

And the focus should be on "Made in India" and not on "Make in India".

I would also go for big land reforms and redistribution though.

Well, let's keep this particular discussion in a separate thread.
 
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@jamahir

Even discussing a Kolkhoz or a Sovkhoz would take more than one thread. How will we even get a look in at the Chinese model? This is an incredibly large subject.

Also, if any Indian wishes to join the thread, I would insist that he (or she) be familiar with the Tebhaga movement, and with Devaraj Urs' reforms in Karnataka. To mention just two tiny sub-plots.

I don't even want to think about the reaction of the typical member to 'semi-feudal semi-capitalist' agriculture.
 
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Congratulations to indians. So things are good. Typical Liberal media talking about migrant worker.
 
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I don't agree; nationalisation will lead to incompetence and more corruption. The solutions should be thought of long term based i.e. creating more jobs through foreign investment, a focus on manufacturing sector as someone put "India on liberalisation bypassed the manufacturing period and jumped directly into the service one", need to fix that. I would also go for big land reforms and redistribution though.
@Nilgiri @Joe Shearer @jamahir @Soumitra

I have talked entirely too much on this topic at large...and I am simply at complete loggerheads with the outdated failed and totally disproved notions that members like jamahir still cling to...and will simply have to live with zero of them ever seeing the light of day henceforth....thankfully for me and regrettably for him.

Suffice to say your summary here is fine. Would just like to add the following (this is very cursory analysis).

The agro reforms currently being proposed recently (please look up any video with Ashok Gulati for a good analysis on this) are long overdue, because they will immensely help one major factor (labour supply and bargaining chokepoints) plaguing both agri (given govt middle man interfering in free market for farmers to get best info and reference from) AND manufacturing/industry for so long....that Deng in China did first thing in the late 70s and 80s.

In fact its the key cog in the transition between these two sectors...and part of the reason only services (and some very specific manufacturing gestated under license raj much earlier) took off rather than broadstream manufacturing + light industry that was much sorely needed (and still is the case).

@Soumitra is also very correct in that the answer for agro distress lies in having people move away from it long term, so that the basic production output (at whatever tech frontier exists in some snapshot) that the indian landmass can provide sustainably is done by fewer people, so that they can earn more (essentially higher productivity). This ties into what I am saying....you need to ease the chokepoints...most of which are govt interventions that were and maybe still are well intentioned...but simply failures on ground given the masses of people involved being controlled and pushed around by lousy bureau-thugs and associated mafias...that enrich themselves by keeping people in low productive work (and the great cost to the economy at large and to the affected people themselves who are stuck and unable to price their goods and thus labour well and the answer thus being having more access to information and bargaining for other goods and labour sectors).
 
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