Missing persons: ISI, MI counsel says RAW and Mossad involved

[Alpha Omega]

Missing persons: ISI, MI counsel says RAW and Mossad involved​

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By Azam Khan
Published: March 16, 2012

Court asks if the agencies have credible information of RAW, Mossad involvement, why no action being taken against them.

ISLAMABAD: The counsel for Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI) and Military Intelligence (MI) has revealed in the Supreme Court that Indian spy agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) and Israel’s Mossad are active in Pakistan. He was speaking during the hearing of the missing persons case.

He said that they were behind kidnappings in the country and were being helped by terrorist groups.

The chief justice asked the defence counsel if the agencies had any credible information of the involvement of RAW and Mossad, and why they did not take any against them. “We did not bar you from taking action against RAW and Mossad.”

Terming the intelligence agencies’ reply on Adiala missing persons unsatisfactory, the apex court on Friday took suo motu notice against the abduction of a boy who used to provide food at camps set up by the relatives of missing persons outside parliament.

A three judge-bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry directed Inspector General of Police Islamabad and Attorney General of Pakistan Maulvi Anwarul Haq to submit a report of the incident by March 17 and present the abductee before the court on March 19.

Addressing Maulvi Anwarul Haq and Raja Irshad, counsel for ISI and MI, the chief justice said that this time a man was abducted right under the nose of the federal government. Advocate Tariq Asad the counsel for missing persons told the court that Omar Mehmood Khan was picked up by the intelligence agencies because he used to serve the food to the families at the missing persons’ camp at D-Chowk (in front of the Parliament).

Raja Arshad rejected the allegations, stating that the military intelligence agencies were not involved in missing persons’ episodes.

A family recently returned from Canada through a letter had informed the Human Rights Cell of the apex court that one of their family members, Omar Mehmood Khan, 24, was abducted by the agencies on March 10 near Orchid Scheme in Islamabad.

“After going through the contents of the letter last night, we issued notices to IGP Islamabad that what kind of high-handedness was underway by none other than officials of agencies, even in the federal capital city,” the chief justice informed the attorney general.

The letter suggests that Omar was kidnapped in the same style as was used in picking up many other missing persons. Men driving two double cabins with tinted glasses, a black corolla, a white Suzuki Baleno and a Suzuki Mehran picked up the boy in front of his father, mother and a younger brother.

Omar’s mother, Dr Rubina was also present in the court today. The chief justice, while calming her down, said that “we will not allow anyone to act above the law”, adding that the agencies were not above the Constitution.

Advocate Raja Irshad asked the court why all blame was leveled on the ISI and MI. The chief justice said that, “We respect our armed forces and intelligence agencies, but when they detracted then the court and media expressed concerns and you cannot stop us from this.”

During the last hearing, the court had rejected explanatory reports submitted by the lawyer of the agencies and termed them unsatisfactory, and had also sought a detailed report from the chief secretary of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa. The K-P chief secretary submitted a report on the health of inmates today, which was appreciated by the court.

Counsel for detainee Hafiz Majid, Advocate Tariq Asad informed the court that his client was suffering from Cancer and Hepatitis C, and asked that permission be granted to shift him to Shaukat Khanum Cancer Hospital in Lahore.

The court was informed that the health condition of at least three prisoners was still not satisfactory. The chief justice asked Raja Irshad how the detainees were being treated. “Were they not human? Why a fair trial right was denied to them? We will proceed against you after deciding initial things – you will tell us how the four of them died in your custody.”

Advocate general of K-P will submit a report within three days on which internment centers inmates will be kept at. The court also asked him to arrange a place where relatives of these inmates could see them easily.

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[Kaniska]

Why RAW will be involved in petty work like kidnapping?? This looks like pretty unfair accusation..You guys should blame for something more man....

 

[Alpha Omega]

A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran

Read it yourself:

False Flag - By Mark Perry | Foreign Policy

 

[salmakh84]

HAhaha.. So ISI is calling itself RAW and MOSSAD?!?!?

 

[Awesome]

ISI should prove it in court.

 

[53fd]

I'm 100% certain that there's foreign involvement on some level in Balochistan, not just from India, US; but possibly Russia, Iran & UAE as well. Balochistan has a porous, practically non-existent border with Afghanistan; & just like it was proven that India trained terrorists inside East Pakistan in 1971 as well, I have no doubt that the same is happening in Afghanistan with their consulates in Eastern Afghanistan (Kandahar & Kabul). Just look at the sophisticated weapons the Baloch terrorists have, & how frequently large amounts of explosives are coming in to Chaman from Afghanistan.

 

[Awesome]

Everyone is asking the same question. For 10 years we're hearing RAW (and xyz company added for effect) is behind this and that. What is the reason they have not been able to prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Now they themselves are pointing to a lack of capability or performance? RAW caught a Pakistani and proved his involvement, showed which village he was from and implicated the LeT.

They did all that, why can't ISI do the same? We hear about an Indian caught and then sannata, do the same with the Indian bring him on TV, national and international, show what all he has been doing, broadcast his statements, involve foreign agencies and make them implicate India/Indians too.

Why the kindness on India? Courts have said it clearly here. Jao Dhajjian urao India ki, hum sab saath hain. But do something real - pharrian na maaro.

 

[SMC]

I am afraid we, at a public level, are too misinformed. We are too naive in trying to make things seem black and white based on evidence (or the lack of it).

We hear accusations against ISI far more often by far more powerful countries, yet they're unable to present any decent proof as well. Now how does that relate to this thread? My theory is that each spy agency has more than enough proof against each other, but they don't want to reveal the evidence in the fear of the other revealing evidence as well. If ISI reveals evidence against RAW, they feel RAW might reveal evidence against ISI and so on.

This becomes more complex with fake evidence. it's not hard to manufacture fake evidence. Iraq war is a straightforward example, among others. If ISI wanted to prove RAW as supporting terrorists, they could manufacture fake evidence within weeks. And if they did have genuine evidence against RAW, RAW may manufacture fake evidence in response. Or, as I mentioned above, they may both have genuine evidence and not reveal it in the fear of what I mentioned above.

It all comes down to is what the public buys. And the public are not smart enough, nor informed enough to tell the difference between fake and real evidence. So in the end, not much can be done about this. The side that can f*ck the other one over more severely is the side whose story will become to be known as 'the truth'.

And this is in general, it does not relate to one spy agency.

 

[53fd]

I am afraid we, at a public level, are too misinformed. We are too naive in trying to make things seem black and white based on evidence (or the lack of it).

We hear accusations against ISI far more often by far more powerful countries, yet they're unable to present any decent proof as well. Now how does that relate to this thread? My theory is that each spy agency has more than enough proof against each other, but they don't want to reveal the evidence in the fear of the other revealing evidence as well. If ISI reveals evidence against RAW, they feel RAW might reveal evidence against ISI and so on.

This becomes more complex with fake evidence. it's not hard to manufacture fake evidence. Iraq war is a straightforward example, among others. If ISI wanted to prove RAW as supporting terrorists, they could manufacture fake evidence within weeks. And if they did have genuine evidence against RAW, RAW may manufacture fake evidence in response. Or, as I mentioned above, they may both have genuine evidence and not reveal it in the fear of what I mentioned above.

It all comes down to is what the public buys. And the public are not smart enough, nor informed enough to tell the difference between fake and real evidence. So in the end, not much can be done about this. The side that can f*ck the other one over more severly is the side whose story will become to be known as 'the truth'.

And this is in general, it does not relate to one spy agency.

Very well said

 

[*Awan*]

A huge cache of heavy weaponry camouflaged with firewood logs was seized when a truck trying to smuggle the merchandize from Afghanistan via Chaman toppled after one of axels broke here on Saturday.
According to levies official, a truck coming from Afghanistan was signaled to stop for necessary checks in Gung Mandi area but instead the driver sped away. The truck toppled and came to a screeching halt as one of its axels broke. The cache of weapons included AK47 rifles, anti-aircraft guns, explosives, land mines, and state-of-the-art wireless communication devices.
The driver and his accomplice were able to flee the scene.
Levis personnel seize huge arms cache

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Complete black out on main channels.

 

[salmakh84]

^^ Nothing to do with missing persons, besides,

SC wants man picked up last week produced in court on Monday | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

A man was kidnapped by the agencies in broad daylight. Mossad didn't pick him up!

^^ Nothing to do with missing persons, besides,

SC wants man picked up last week produced in court on Monday | Newspaper | DAWN.COM

A man was kidnapped by the agencies in broad daylight. Mossad didn't pick him up!

 

[Omar1984]

I'm a 100% certain that there's foreign involvement on some level in Balochistan, not just from India, Israel, US; but possibly Russia, Iran & UAE as well. Balochistan has a porous, practically non-existent border with Afghanistan; & just like it was proven that India trained terrorists inside East Pakistan in 1971 as well, I have no doubt that the same is happening in Afghanistan with their consulates in Eastern Afghanistan (Kandahar & Kabul). Just look at the sophisticated weapons the Baloch terrorists have, & how frequently large amounts of explosives are coming in to Chaman from Afghanistan.

There are dozens of enemies of Pakistan in the western border waiting to get into western provinces of Pakistan to raise hell for Pakistan. Our people are so naive they will trust the enemies of Pakistan before the people who are laying their lives on the line for Pakistan.

Turkish armed forces wiped out their Kurdish insurgency in Turkey, Sri Lankan armed forces wiped out their Tamil Tiger insurgency in Sri Lanka and here we are trying to stop Pakistan armed forces from wiping out this insurgency in our western province.

 

[Awesome]

I am afraid we, at a public level, are too misinformed. We are too naive in trying to make things seem black and white based on evidence (or the lack of it).

We hear accusations against ISI far more often by far more powerful countries, yet they're unable to present any decent proof as well. Now how does that relate to this thread? My theory is that each spy agency has more than enough proof against each other, but they don't want to reveal the evidence in the fear of the other revealing evidence as well. If ISI reveals evidence against RAW, they feel RAW might reveal evidence against ISI and so on.

This becomes more complex with fake evidence. it's not hard to manufacture fake evidence. Iraq war is a straightforward example, among others. If ISI wanted to prove RAW as supporting terrorists, they could manufacture fake evidence within weeks. And if they did have genuine evidence against RAW, RAW may manufacture fake evidence in response. Or, as I mentioned above, they may both have genuine evidence and not reveal it in the fear of what I mentioned above.

It all comes down to is what the public buys. And the public are not smart enough, nor informed enough to tell the difference between fake and real evidence. So in the end, not much can be done about this. The side that can f*ck the other one over more severely is the side whose story will become to be known as 'the truth'.

And this is in general, it does not relate to one spy agency.

Buddy, all the powerful agencies of the world are working to nail ISI with some evidence. With OBL they came very close, but ISI had an out in admitting its mistake to avoid culpability. Pasha offered to resign, remember? If anybody had stronger evidence against ISI nobody would have been shy to use it.

And we support ISI in OBL, Mumbai, Indian Embassy in Kabul incidents just because nobody had any evidence. If god forbid, its proven that ISI supported terrorists, we cannot in good conscience as human beings support them.

If ISI is saying RAW, Mossad are behind it, banda pakar ke lao. Isn't this the same problem we have with the ISI. Their word is not good enough. Does this mean they are so gaye guzray that they don't know how to do basic evidence collection against people who are so heavily involved in Balochistan insurgency?

Kisi ek cheez pe toh maano. This jugga shahi cannot stand.

 

[53fd]

Buddy, all the powerful agencies of the world are working to nail ISI with some evidence. With OBL they came very close, but ISI had an out in admitting its mistake to avoid culpability. Pasha offered to resign, remember? If anybody had stronger evidence against ISI nobody would have been shy to use it.

And we support ISI in OBL, Mumbai, Indian Embassy in Kabul incidents just because nobody had any evidence. If god forbid, its proven that ISI supported terrorists, we cannot in good conscience as human beings support them.

If ISI is saying RAW, Mossad are behind it, banda pakar ke lao. Isn't this the same problem we have with the ISI. Their word is not good enough. Does this mean they are so gaye guzray that they don't know how to do basic evidence collection against people who are so heavily involved in Balochistan insurgency?

Kisi ek cheez pe toh maano. This jugga shahi cannot stand.

They've caught quite a few Indians who infiltrated from Afghanistan into Chaman, & disclosed their identities publicly. Many Indian spies have been caught on the Eastern border as well. There are a lot of things that happen behind the scenes that aren't disclosed to the public, but they exist nevertheless.

The CIA has substantial control over the US media, it controls popular perception of the masses by regulating the news. That is why you see the major news outlets only presenting news in a certain kind of way, whether it is their coverage of the Arab Spring & Syria, or the "leaked" reports by "undisclosed" sources against the ISI all the time. I think you failed to understand the gist of SMC's post, because all your concerns in this post have already been answered by him in his previous post.

Intelligence agencies make a lot of noise when they are on the "offensive", controlling media & popular perception (by regulating the news); & agencies like the ISI are quiet these days because they are on the "defensive", being attacked on many fronts, & have popular perception against them.

 

[Awesome]

They've caught quite a few Indians who infiltrated from Afghanistan into Chaman, & disclosed their identities publicly

I know they say they caught many, but where are they now? No public trial, no confessions on the media (our media at least), no involvement of Interpol to chase suspects across in India, raise awareness.

Frankly we have done more to arrest Musharraf than we have done to arrest Indians working to support Baloch insurgents. For this complacency, this bad performance, doesn't someone high in the ISI deserve the proverbial jootay? Courts said the same thing, why are you decrying RAW and Mossad, banda pesh karo. There should be someone whom we can say THIS guy came from India and did this n this and he should testify he did it on orders from RAW.

Otherwise how can we trust the ISI? They could be deflecting blame when they were accused of kidnapping, they transfered the blame to RAW.