Masood Azhar issue: India uses Uighur card to up the ante against China

[ranjeet]

With India pressing China to explain its reasons for the "technical hold" on designating Masood Azhar a global terrorist, China has responded by saying India should consult with Pakistan.

Speaking to TOI in Delhi, Liu Jinsong, charge d'affaires in the Chinese embassy in New Delhi reiterated the position. "China is against all forms of terrorism. We have put a technical hold, not a veto. It is not an issue between China and India. We would prefer that you talk to Pakistan."

Indian officials met Chinese counterparts in Beijing, New York and New Delhi as India tried to draw China out on its reasons.

India, sources said, was willing to delete details in the document to allow China to lift the "hold". In recent days, China has continued to justify its action.

In Beijing, the foreign ministry spokesperson also defended China's action."China always deals with the listing of 1267 committee based on facts and pursuant to UN Security Council resolutions and relevant rules in a fair manner," he said. This was in response to Indian permanent representative to the UN Syed Akbaruddin, slamming a "hidden veto" in the 1267 committee.

The Chinese foreign ministry said, "Both China and India fall victim to terrorism and share similar positions when it comes to combating terrorism."

Separately, however, India might be quietly upping the ante. A group of activists from the Washington-based World Uighur Congress will be visiting Dalai Lama in Dharamsala for an inter-ethnic, inter-faith dialogue organized by the spiritual leader.

They will join groups from around 15 countries in a US Institute of Peace program.


According to the think tank, "This dialogue will help them build practical skills and personal resilience they need to work against the tensions or violence in their homelands." India had denied a visit by Rebiya Kadeer, Uighur leader in 2009.

India has a list of other terror leaders who it wants to see listed as terrorists by the UNSC's 1267 committee. It's not clear how many of them will be blocked by China.

The next round of discussions between India and China are liable to be dominated by this incident.


NSA Ajit Doval is expected to have a strategic dialogue with state councillor Yang Jiechi in Beijing later this week where it will be raised again.
Top Comment
As per the Chinese Communist party's regime, Dalai Lama is the terrorist, not Masood Azhar.Anudeep Sunny

This dialogue comes after almost a year, which is unusual. Doval cancelled his last meeting because of the Pathankot attack.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ainst-China/articleshow/51888732.cms?from=mdr


@nair @MilSpec @Roybot @PARIKRAMA @Skull and Bones @Levina @Star Wars

 

[nair]

There is nothing much one can gain by declaring him as a terrorist....... What happened to the previous cases???? Did the ban or declaring a terrorist made any difference?????....(We can use it to tell the world how terrorist are protected, that is all)

Wonder how one can explain the presence of Masood azhar in its soil............ We all know how he managed to escape from India........

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Pakistan ko neecha dikhaney gaye they.......khud ruswa ho k agaye.......Abi aur neechey girenge shaid because their hatred towards Pakistan blinds them and snatches rationality from them.

After arrest of monkey "Kulbhusan Jhadev" , details of how he sponsored murder of Chinese nationals/engineers in Gwadar, China's response can be called tit for tat........Thank you China for siding with Pakistan.

What we need is a strategy to counter Indian propaganda of being victim of terrorism. Lets see for how long Indian economic clout hides their terrorism sponsorship.

Whole world knows Chinese are very concise in giving their statements. India needs some self introspect. Chinese are very rational people unlike emotional Indians.

Jeevay Jeevay Pakistan. Jeevay Jeevay China.

 

[Sky lord]

There is nothing much one can gain by declaring him as a terrorist....... What happened to the previous cases???? Did the ban or declaring a terrorist made any difference?????....(We can use it to tell the world how terrorist are protected, that is all)....

So in your opinion we should just roll over to make it easier for them is it? Why cause discomfort? What does it matter after all what will be will be? That attitude has not worked well in the past.

 

[Levina]

Okay i might earn brick bats for saying this, but I think, India will also adopt "double standards" in cases where national interests are involved.
I am happy that China ignored the Indian spy story.
China has consistently shown reticence from being getting involved in India -pak issues, so i am assuming that its for economic reasons that it backed Pakistan on Masood Azhar's case. So be it!
JeM was declared a terrorist organisation long back and Pakistan might go to great extents to keep Masood azhar safe. Remember he was the guy for whom an entire plane was hijacked and taken to Kandahar?
This one isn't going to be easy!!!
Doval sahab, you will have to come up with a better game this time and it is definitely not going to be diplomatic.

 

[Sky lord]

Okay i might earn brick bats for saying this, but I think, India would have also adopted "double standards" in cases where national interests are involved.
I am happy with the way China ignored the Indian spy story.
China has consistently shown reticence from getting involved in India -pak issues, so i am assuming that its for economic reasons that it backed Pakistan on Masood Azhar's case. So be it!

Ma'am you may find this article interesting about the intended audience and why chinese and others chose to ignore. It is by a Pakistani author in a pakistani newspaper.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1251202

The economic reasons are basically that china should delay or stall development in India to reduce competition from India for resources or market, which would work out great for them but not so great for us.

At the end of the day, very few people respect the timid...just saying.

 

[$@rJen]

There's no use of talking with the Chinese double standards on terrorism issue.... move on or show them the terror

 

[Levina]

The economic reasons are basically that china should delay or stall development in India to reduce competition from India for resources or market, which would work out great for them but not so great for us.

The gist of my previous post was that no matter what China will not support India on this issue. Doval and Parrikar should figure out other ways to capture Masood Azhar. He's a valuable asset for any country, be as a guest or a prisoner.
I hope you got the drift of it.

 

[Sky lord]

The gist of my previous post was that no matter what China will not support India on this issue. Doval and Parrikar should figure out other ways to capture Masood Azhar. He's a valuable asset for any country, be as a guest or a prisoner.
I hope you got the drift of it.

Many things can be tried simultaneously. Certainly no harm inLooking at all options.

But how we react when people kick sand in our face is being watched around the world. Whether we roll over in some kind of fatalistic non response or react with annoyance and give a slap back might not change the outcome of the immediate problem at hand but it changes the way India is factored in to other s calculations. If you want people to stand up for you , you gotta learn to stand up for yourself even if you know you are not likely to win.

The cost of peace at any price is way to high...we should have learnt that lesson by now...but seems not to be.

 

[Hellfire]

The gist of my previous post was that no matter what China will not support India on this issue. Doval and Parrikar should figure out other ways to capture Masood Azhar. He's a valuable asset for any country, be as a guest or a prisoner.
I hope you got the drift of it.

No requirement of capturing anyone. We need Azhar sitting and speaking in Pakistan. What makes you think we don't/didn't have assets to liquidate him if we need to? Seriously, we have done things in past also ...... when was required. He is good in Pakistan ... let him roam free and make anti India speeches. Gives us the diplomatic example of terror factory's most important product for everyone to see. More Pakistan dithers on taking action against Azhar, the more they put themselves in a spot.

 

[Levina]

Many things can be tried simultaneously. Certainly no harm inLooking at all options.

You are jumping into conclusions.
Nowhere have i alluded that India should stop trying diplomatic ways, but it is definitely a waste of time. Ergo, Indian agencies should also be trying other ways to capture Masood Azhar.

More Pakistan dithers on taking action against Azhar, the more they put themselves in a spot.

Its for them to realize it...sooner the better.

 

[Kompromat]

Dehaati Aurat tactics at best.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

Dehaati Aurat tactics at best.

I thought Chinese were your friends?!
And how dare you call Ughir muslims as Dehaati Aurat's?

 

[Hellfire]

Its for them to realize it...sooner the better.

Doesn't really matter if they do or do not realize. As long as India stays the course in terms of policy and its national will, India is on a good course. This is strictly strategically speaking. However, the worrisome trend is the lack of strategic culture in the ministries upon change in government and inability to move beyond past.

1. Pakistan: A couple of months back there was a talk of merging Gilgit into Pakistan. That was a move that is sure to put an end to the Kashmir problem as integration of any portion of J&K will negate their whole posturing. As long as Masood Azhar remains in 'protective custody' we have a stick with which to beat them at an international forum. Additionally, the continuation of this person is also an incentive for others not so sympathetic to the comparative liberal views and approach of the Pakistani establishment towards enforcing Islam and especially predominance of Sunnis over the rest, to continue their acts against the Pakistani state, with the apparent consequences in terms of socio-economic and political impact. Rest you can sum up.

2. China: Similarly, we must welcome the development of CPEC as it gives us the strategic maneuverability with respect to China too. They have long advocated non-initiation of any political/economic measures with the other countries perceived territories. Time we set things right with Taiwan. Also, the initiative of the present government towards proposal of delineation of AGPL to China with simultaneous induction of troops and armor in the troublemsome sector of Chushul and adjoining areas of AGPL in Aksai-Chin, is the correct ine of thinking towards a permanent boundary solution. One has to also negate the 1962 resolution of the parliament which unanimously passed a resolution to get back all territories (something which was not pragmatic then and is not so now also). If Indians as whole are able to look beyond these points, then we will be in pretty decent position. One has to ultimately accept that we never had Aksai Chin and China did not have Arunachal, (something which Chian was willing to negotiate and establish a peace over with but for Nehru and his stupidities) and move on.

I thought Chinese were your friends?!
And how dare you call Ughir muslims as Dehaati Aurat's?

and he gets a thanks for it ...... MCPs!!!!! Horus is a sexist and misogynist .... some thought process which is akin to our favorite gang ISIS eh?

Dehaati Aurat tactics at best.

Being a sexist and misogynist are you? Its offensive seriously ..... dehaati aurat means a rural woman and they are pretty smart .... so if you mean to insinuate otherwise, then its offensive ....

 

[Sky lord]

The title is misleading.

India will never systematically support Islamic extremists anywhere in the world because it would simply back fire badly. I don't think China would do that either.