Mao Zedong's 120th birthday anniversary

[Lux de Veritas]

Mao will be another Qin Shihuang, first emperor of China, where his legacy will always be argued and disputed.

What if without Mao. Below is my opinion

1. Tibet will be either conquered by India or go independent
2. KMT government may continue to rule in a way similar but much better than India. The landed class will be a hurdle for development.
3. Taiwan will unified with China
4. Due to bad sanitation, the mortality rate of China will be high for many years, under KMT. However, there will be no Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution, which result to a death of 30 millions. The mortality rate of China improve tremendously under Mao despite all his tyranny.
5. Xinjiang may go independent or may be much controlled by USSR/Russia.
6. No Korean War.
7. The intellectual class and landlords will be well treated.
8. China may go democracy in year 2020, but warlordism and provincial power will be strong. You can imagine a India or Philippines, but not as bad.
9. Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos will not go communist.

The biggest legacy of Mao is that he manage to unite China and to restore full sovereignty. This is the pre-requisite of the rise of China. Japan do not have "full sovereignty" as she is controlled by USA. The result is she got screwed by USA via "Plaza Accord" when USA felt that Japan was too strong.

Before Mao, anyone can come and shitt on Chinese, like imperial Japan, the British clowns from India including McMahon. Without Mao, there will be more McMahon to come. After Mao, no one dare to screw China.

Mao is definitely a tyrant. He will be a controversial person for a long time to come.

BBC News - China marks Mao Zedong's 120th birthday anniversary

Top leaders including President Xi Jinping and Premier Li Keqiang visited the Mao mausoleum in Beijing to pay their respects.

Thousands queued through the night near his childhood home in Shaoshan, Hunan, to see a huge fireworks display which is said to have lasted four hours.

Many more made the pilgrimage to the village to mark the anniversary.

Members of the Politburo Standing Committee including Mr Xi and Mr Li all visited Mao's mausoleum on Tiananmen Square in Beijing.

However, there was no mention of Mao's birthday on the front page of the party's official paper.

Although in a commentary in later pages, the paper praised him as a "great patriot and hero", it also carried an editorial piece saying the "best commemoration" of Mao would be to keep advancing economic reforms that were launched by his successor.

Correspondents say Chinese politicians have to balance their praise of Mao, to whom they owe their political legitimacy, with an appreciation that some of his policies had disastrous consequences.

Millions died during the Great Leap Forward, when Mao's attempts to collectivise farms coincided with a massive drought.

And many intellectuals, older people and middle class people were purged or killed during Cultural Revolution.

Since the start of the reform period in 1978, leaders have paid respect to Mao's achievements but moved away from most of his policies.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I'm guessing a couple of million chinese would have lived on too...

 

[Fattyacids]

I'm guessing a couple of million chinese would have lived on too...

It's how you live the life that matters. Thank goodness, no chinese lives like slave under cast system.

 

[Srinivas]

Mao is a disaster for china, until then chinese do have rights but communism has killed the freedom in china. Sun Yet sen must have been tarnished in his grave after seeing chinese communist revolution which killed many millions of chinese.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Mao is a disaster for china, until then chinese do have rights but communism has killed the freedom in china. Sun Yet sen must have been tarnished in his grave after seeing chinese communist revolution which killed many millions of chinese.

To be frank many Chinese will agree with you. How about trading Mao with Tibet? Or trading Mao with another Japanese invasion?

I think most Chinese would rather choose Mao.

Mao came at the time, that the window is closing for China to exert on Tibet. India got a head start in 1947.

In addition, from Beijing to Lhasa is 4000km, even longer to Mcmahon line and Aksai China and more 50% are mountains with few passes exceeding 5000m.

Without Mao, KMT may not be able to establish a foothold in time, and India with easier access through Nathu La and Assam plains would have conquer Tibet.

KMT may still be fighting warlords, instead of fighting Indians.

 

[cnleio]

Today China = People's Republic of China. Whatever u like or not, im still the founder.

Mao did good for China:
1. 1949 built P.R.C
2. 1950s reform on China rural land system
3. 1950s-1960s China industrial and agricultural development
4. 1960s China Nuclear & Missile & Space industry setup and Nuke bomb
5. 1970s China established diplomatic relations with U.S and the West

Mao did bad for China:
1. 1960s the Great Cultural Revolution, personality cult at his old age and chaos in China.

 

[Srinivas]

To be frank many Chinese will agree with you. How about trading Mao with Tibet? Or trading Mao with another Japanese invasion?

I think most Chinese would rather choose Mao.

Mao came at the time, that the window is closing for China to exert on Tibet. India got a head start in 1947.

In addition, from Beijing to Lhasa is 4000km, even longer to Mcmahon line and Aksai China and more 50% are mountains with few passes exceeding 5000m.

Without Mao, KMT may not be able to establish a foothold in time, and India with easier access through Nathu La and Assam plains would have conquer Tibet.

KMT may still be fighting warlords, instead of fighting Indians.

India never wanted to invade Tibet, the forward policy is all about keeping the strategic regions all along the border under Indian control.

 

[Kolaps]

Even Taiwanese are recognize the role and contribution of Mao Zedong to China.

We just dislike the communism and his anti-Chinese-civilization.

India never wanted to invade Tibet, the forward policy is all about keeping the strategic regions all along the border under Indian control.

That is not true.

India is dreaming to annex Tibet and so easily lured by the CIA offer at the time.

 

[Srinivas]

Even Taiwanese are recognize the role and contribution of Mao Zedong to China.

We just dislike the communism and his anti-Chinese-civilization.



That is not true.

India is dreaming to annex Tibet and so easily lured by the CIA offer at the time.

India never considered CIA offer, India had chances to occupy Tibet when China is unstable but never did that.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

India never wanted to invade Tibet, the forward policy is all about keeping the strategic regions all along the border under Indian control.

India is the consummate inheritor of British imperialism, taking every states she could with the white man keeping mum. She took Goa, Manipur, Kashmir, Hyderabad, Sikkim...etc.

The reason that Nehru proscribed his Forward Policy to limited objective is because the emergence of Mao. If Tibet is "Independent", and China is still fighting Japan in 1962, guess what happen?

Even if Mao is there, China could have lost Aksai Chin. When 1962 War broke out, India was North of McMahon Line.

India never considered CIA offer, India had chances to occupy Tibet when China is unstable but never did that.

India never has a chance at all because of Mao.

 

[Srinivas]

India is the consummate inheritor of British imperialism, taking every states she could with the white man keeping mum. She took Goa, Manipur, Kashmir, Hyderabad, Sikkim...etc.

The reason that Nehru proscribed his Forward Policy to limited objective is because the emergence of Mao. If Tibet is "Independent", and China is still fighting Japan in 1962, guess what happen?

Even if Mao is there, China could have lost Aksai Chin. When 1962 War broke out, India was North of McMahon Line.



India never has a chance at all because of Mao.

Any princely state inside India belong to India, Indian constitution is the ultimate here. We do not recognize any other authority.

Mao is a great mobilizer of masses but lot of atrocities have been committed during his long march.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Any princely state inside India belong to India, Indian constitution is the ultimate here. We do not recognize any other authority.

Mao is a great mobilizer of masses but lot of atrocities have been committed during his long march.

This is imperialism. The princely states are given a choice to vote out just like Pakistan. If Pakistan did not control substantial military units upon partition, she could be invaded.

China despite having the ability does not even invade Hong Kong and Macau. India invaded Goa.

I have to admit you are right in the atrocities committed by Mao.

 

[learningall]

Happy birth day to you

 

[Srinivas]

This is imperialism. The princely states are given a choice to vote out just like Pakistan. If Pakistan did not control substantial military units upon partition, she could be invaded.

China despite having the ability does not even invade Hong Kong and Macau. India invaded Goa.

I have to admit you are right in the atrocities committed by Mao.

Hongkong was under British rule Mao never dared to go against British. They have this thought of attacking Hongkong But their priorities changed.

Partition of India is based on Religion , Pakistanis wanted a country based on religion, even though we have won the war in 1971 India never tried to take the lands of Pakistan.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Hongkong was under British rule Mao never dared to go against British. They have this thought of attacking Hongkong But their priorities changed.

Partition of India is based on Religion , Pakistanis wanted a country based on religion, even though we have won the war in 1971 India never tried to take the lands of Pakistan.

You think Mao dont dare to attack HK when he attacked USA and UN in Korea? If you study history, China under Mao could be quite reasonable in settling territory dispute, including with with India. India blew it up.

India has took a lot of states even though they voted out. She slice up Pakistan even though she has not taken the land, as Bangladesh having 100 million Muslim is too problematic. But she continue to bully Bangladesh.