Mao Zedong vs Chiang Kai-Shek

[William Hung]

KMT is indeed part of China's history, but it is by far the WORST PART of our history.

Don't need to glorify them, since this party is rotten to the core, even many anti-CPC people cannot stand with them.

You don’t need to glorify them, but there is no need to bash them either. I think this thread was made with good intention, so I don’t want to see it derailed into a petty fight. Just remember, they are Chinese and they are paet of China’s heritage. As for flaws and mistakes, everyone has them, nobody is perfect.

Just a small comment before I go. CCP is going to need KMT in the foreseeable future...especially looking at the direction the China-Taiwan relationships is currently heading towards to. No need to believe me, just wait and see. CCP will need KMT and you will see that the CCP will treat KMT as BFF, so it might be not a good idea to bash them now.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You don’t need to glorify them, but there is no need to bash them either. I think this thread was made with good intention, so I don’t want to see it derailed into a petty fight. Just remember, they are Chinese and they are paet of China’s heritage. As for flaws and mistakes, everyone has them, nobody is perfect.

Just a small comment before I go. CCP is going to need KMT in the foreseeable future...especially looking at the direction the China-Taiwan relationships is currently heading towards to. No need to believe me, just wait and see. CCP will need KMT and you will see that the CCP will treat KMT as BFF, so it might be not a good idea to bash them now.

KMT is the waste of China's history, we don't need them anymore in the future.

Hu is by far the pro-KMT CPC leader, but during his time, we also needed KMT to keep Taiwan calm because although we can easily take on Taiwan militarily, but we were still not strong enough to handle the consequence.

Today, everything is becoming different. By merely a decade, China has grown several fold stronger, China can easily take on Taiwan militarily in a blink of an eye without fearing any consequence.

By 2020, China will officially bring Taiwan back into its de facto controlled map, and we don't need any of those KMT piece of sh1t.

 

[Beast]

I will not choose Mao and Chiang. I choose Deng better.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I will not choose Mao and Chiang. I choose Deng better.

Deng's had paved his road for economic reform at the expense of many military project from Mao's era.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Y-10

If it wasn't his personal issue with the gang of four, China's aerospace would be even better by now.

The gang of four should be arrested, but he shouldn't kill Y-10 just because the project was started by them.

Deng wanted to oust their influence, but he also nearly destroyed China's military industrial complex which is a legacy of Mao.

 

[Beast]

Deng's had paved his road for economic reform at the expense of many military project from Mao's era.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Y-10

If it wasn't his personal issue with the gang of four, China's aerospace would be even better by now.

The gang of four should be arrested, but he shouldn't kill Y-10 just because the project was started by them.

Deng wanted to oust their influence, but he also nearly destroyed China's military industrial complex which is a legacy of Mao.

Yes but Mao is a ego petty dictator. No doubt his 1959 great leap is a disaster in making.

Deng and Korea war famous Peng General help to steer the country back with their free market policy. And what Mao do? Start the cultural revolution that throw China backward 20 years.

Deng is not perfect but far better than both when he excel both in military and economic management. Mao the most can be a great military general but failed as a economist. Chiang is the worst, good in nothing.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Yes but Mao is a ego petty dictator. No doubt his 1959 great leap is a disaster in making.

Deng and Korea war famous Peng General help to steer the country back with their free market policy. And what Mao do? Start the cultural revolution that throw China backward 20 years.

Deng is not perfect but far better than both when he excel both in military and economic management. Mao the most can be a great military general but failed as a economist. Chiang is the worst, good in nothing.

Without Mao, China's military technology won't be as powerful as now.

China's today military industrial complex is a legacy left by Mao, but it got nearly destroyed by Deng, but later it was restarted by Jiang.

Although Jiang was very corrupt, but he did understand the high tech much more than Deng with his engineer background.

 

[Economic superpower]

You don’t need to glorify them, but there is no need to bash them either. I think this thread was made with good intention, so I don’t want to see it derailed into a petty fight. Just remember, they are Chinese and they are paet of China’s heritage. As for flaws and mistakes, everyone has them, nobody is perfect.

Just a small comment before I go. CCP is going to need KMT in the foreseeable future...especially looking at the direction the China-Taiwan relationships is currently heading towards to. No need to believe me, just wait and see. CCP will need KMT and you will see that the CCP will treat KMT as BFF, so it might be not a good idea to bash them now.

What is CCP?

 

[Kyle Sun]

Without Mao, China's military technology won't be as powerful as now.

China's today military industrial complex is a legacy left by Mao, but it got nearly destroyed by Deng, but later it was restarted by Jiang.

Although Jiang was very corrupt, but he did understand the high tech much more than Deng with his engineer background.

Deng did not as much destroy our military industrial base as inhanced the fundation of industrial system.

 

[Beast]

Without Mao, China's military technology won't be as powerful as now.

China's today military industrial complex is a legacy left by Mao, but it got nearly destroyed by Deng, but later it was restarted by Jiang.

Although Jiang was very corrupt, but he did understand the high tech much more than Deng with his engineer background.

I am thinking if Peng did not died and be the one leading the country. What would happen to China? Peng has the vision of Deng in economy and excel in military with his great feat in Korea War.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Deng did not as much destroy our military industrial base as inhanced the fundation of industrial system.

China's military development was basically stalled during his reign.

Everything has to give way to his economic reform.

 

[Beast]

Deng did not as much destroy our military industrial base as inhanced the fundation of industrial system.

Y-10 is a project he officially dismantle. Y-10 started even earlier than Airbus. Avic could have grow bigger than Airbus by now.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I am thinking if Peng did not died and be the one leading the country. What would happen to China? Peng has the vision of Deng in economy and excel in military with his great feat in Korea War.

I think to rule China as a leader, Lin was even more suitable than Peng.

Although he was a power usurper, but he did take a balance between the economy and military industrial complex.

Y-10 is a project he officially dismantle. Y-10 started even earlier than Airbus. Avic could have grow bigger than Airbus by now.

The nuclear sub was also nearly killed.

Otherwise, China will already mass produce the Type 095/096 much earlier.

Thanked to Jiang, the nuclear sub was picked up very quickly.

 

[TheTheoryOfMilitaryLogistics]

Just a small comment before I go. CCP is going to need KMT in the foreseeable future...especially looking at the direction the China-Taiwan relationships is currently heading towards to. No need to believe me, just wait and see. CCP will need KMT and you will see that the CCP will treat KMT as BFF, so it might be not a good idea to bash them now.

Unfortunately,KMT has proved that they can't master Taiwan.
Without Taiwan,what can KMT say on the negotiating table?
BFF?Honestly,KMT in Taiwan even have no value to be a puppet. (I don't mean KMT in China)
There is no political correct,rubbish party should be swept into dustbin.
Otherwise,they will make more fatal mistaken.

 

[Beast]

I think to rule China as a leader, Lin was even more suitable than Peng.

Although he was a power usurper, but he did take a balance between the economy and military industrial complex.



The nuclear sub was also nearly killed.

Otherwise, China will already mass produce the Type 095/096 much earlier.

Thanked to Jiang, the nuclear sub was picked up very quickly.

Lin will be like Mao, both of them brilliant military strategist but failure when comes to economy. Both firmly believe collective farming and centralize industries.

Jiang was initially like Deng trying to act peaceful to west but when Taiwan crisis in 1996 started he was forced by American to act.

 

[Kyle Sun]

China's military development was basically stalled during his reign.

Everything has to give way to his economic reform.

We cannot develop our military power with bare hand.
Our military power was lagged behin west a lot.

Y-10 is a project he officially dismantle. Y-10 started even earlier than Airbus. Avic could have grow bigger than Airbus by now.

Even today we still can not produce many important parts . No way for us to develop Y-10 30 years ago.
Our industrial capability was just too weak