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Amid procurement gloom, M-777 gun offers army hope

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New Delhi August 2, 2013

The army is closing in on its first modern artillery gun purchase in almost three decades since the Bofors FH-77B field howitzer was bought in the mid-1980s. So politically paralyzing were the ripples from that controversial deal that buying artillery has been well nigh impossible since then.

Reaching the end of a lengthy evaluation now is the estimated $650 million (Rs 4,000 crore) purchase of 145 M-777 ultra light howitzers (ULHs), developed and built by BAE Systems, but to be procured through a Foreign Military Sale (FMS) contract. In this, India will buy the gun from the US Department of Defence (the Pentagon); the Pentagon negotiates terms with the supplier (in this case, BAE Systems), and charges a small percentage for its services.

A contentious element of this procurement --- offsets --- is now almost resolved. On Jan 22, 2010, Washington had indicated that there would be no offsets. Since then, BAE Systems has accepted an offset liability of 30 per cent of the contract value, amounting to almost $200 million. Of this, 30 per cent can be discharged by transferring technology, while at least 70 per cent must be discharged through sourcing equipment manufactured in India.

Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) sources tell Business Standard that, with the MoD changing priority from buying artillery to developing guns in India, BAE Systems has been asked for technology for manufacturing artillery ammunition, specifically bi-modular charge systems (BMCS). BAE Systems has offered to manufacture high-tech gun components in India, for its global supply chain for the “future artillery gun” and “future naval gun” programmes.

BMCS technology is urgently required by the MoD for the upcoming Ordnance Factory, Nalanda, where a range of ammunition will be built. First Denel, and then Israel Military Industries (IMI), were to supply technology, but the MoD has blacklisted both those firms for alleged corruption.

“Our discussions have enabled us to arrive at an offset package which will help support the development of the Indian industrial supply base, building sustainable world-class indigenous capabilities and strengthening our existing global supply network. As we go forward, we see the Indian supply chain as being particularly relevant across our air, land and sea programs both locally and globally,” says Dean McCumiskey, who heads BAE Systems India.

Given the on-going negotiations, the Pentagon has accepted the MoD’s request to extend the validity of its commercial offer. Anticipating an order, the BAE Systems assembly line in the US, where gun components manufactured mainly in the UK are integrated into the M-777, is being kept active.

A delay in finalising a contract, say US government sources, would mean added expenses for reviving a shut-down assembly line. Foreign exchange risk is another variable. But an early closure of the contract would see the first M-777 guns being delivered by early-2014.

Last month, New Delhi announced the raising of a mountain strike corps over the next seven years. The M-777 ULH is being procured for the artillery regiments of this new formation.



For BAE Systems, the M-777 offers possibilities well beyond the current order of 145 guns. It could end up equipping artillery regiments in up to seven more Indian corps that are deployed in mountainous terrain.

India’s 220 artillery regiments have been making do with equipment procured in the 1970s and 1980s. The obsolescent Russian 130 millimetre medium gun equips the bulk of the medium regiments. The most modern guns --- 410 Bofors 155 millimetre FH-77B medium howitzers --- were bought more than a quarter century ago. These are 39 calibre guns, which fire lighter projectiles than the 45 calibre, or 52 calibre, guns that are standard today.

Indigenous initiatives are underway to obtain modern artillery. The Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) has been asked for 140 guns, built from Bofors blueprints, which would be 45 calibre. Simultaneously, a major DRDO project has been launched, in partnership with private industry, to develop and manufacture a 155 millimetre/52 calibre modern artillery system.

But the M-777 will remain relevant, since the heavier indigenous guns would be too bulky for deployment in India’s rugged mountain borderlands. Built partly from titanium, a helicopter can lift the M-777 to remote gun areas, providing the army with deployment options that standard howitzers do not offer.

If India buys the M-777, it would be the world’s fifth user. More than 1000 M-777s are in service with the US Army, the US Marines, and the Canadian and Australian armies.


Amid procurement gloom, M-777 gun offers army hope | Business Standard
 
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Artillery must be upgraded as fast as it can
This is a Area where we are Behind Pakistan

DRDO must Develop Inde Artillery's fast
We cannot rely on Foreign powers forever

The last artillery guns which was inducted was on 1987, Modernization of artillery must be our top priority. Future wars are going to limited that too our wars are going to be fought in Mountains. Artillery proved to be a crucial factor for Indian sucess in Kargil war
 
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for Army that had hit a wall as far as procurement of artiliary guns is concerned, the news should come as music to ears. & they are getting one of the vey best guns around.

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Now hope that other contracts for different gun platforms are signed and materilaized soon, IA has already lost a huge amount of time.
 
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for Army that had hit a wall as far as procurement of artiliary guns is concerned, the news should come as music to ears. & they are getting one of the vey best guns around.

army_2011_0219.jpg


Now hope that other contracts for different gun platforms are signed and materilaized soon, IA has already lost a huge amount of time.

The M-777 ULH is really NE specific. And has its task cut out for it there, while FH-77 Bofors is good enough for most of J & K and Ladakh.

But what the IA has to look closely at is to either upgrade the 105mm IFG/Mountain Gun or bring in a new avatar of it. That kind of gun is extremely useful in the mountains. Even the NATO/American Forces found out about the utility of 105mm guns in Afghanistan during "Operation Anaconda". In their romance with higher caliber Artillery weapons Western Forces had virtually abandoned lighter artillery pieces. To their detriment. Heavier Artillery has limits to its utility in the mountains; unless one intends to demolish a mountain.

In contrast the 105mm guns are far lighter (when broken down, they are mule/man-pack portable- no need for heli-lift) quicker to set up and redeploy, and can operate with more pin-point accuracy. Compared to NATO's mountain arty, IA has more numerous 105mm pieces available. They should be improved.

The combination of the 155mm ULH and 105mm IFG/LFG can be deadly.
 
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@Capt.Popeye,
I for one absolutely agree with you.IA has over 3000 pieces of 105 mm artillery guns and these are actually better than US/NATO 105mm guns interms of range.The NATO/US system achieves just 14.5 km with ordinary shells and 19 km with ERBB/RA shells where as our system can achieve 18 km with ordinary shells.These guns have longer range than PLAGF's D 30 artillery guns which they employ along the LAC in large numbers.
 
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2040 as usually it take decades in case of india :D
But look at the brighter side of it. If we had bought arty guns in the 90s or in the following decade, they too would have been on the road to obsolescence by now! So waiting (by default) has got us the latest cutting edge technology guns now! :yahoo:

But that doesn't mean we keep waiting till the cows come home!! :no:
 
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@Capt.Popeye,
I for one absolutely agree with you.IA has over 3000 pieces of 105 mm artillery guns and these are actually better than US/NATO 105mm guns interms of range.The NATO/US system achieves just 14.5 km with ordinary shells and 19 km with ERBB/RA shells where as our system can achieve 18 km with ordinary shells.

That is precisely the point that NATO has woken upto after having flirted with bigger calibers. For some time the IA even used Soviet origin 122mm guns; old style guns but with a real punch. But they were stop-gap.
Do read up on the Operation Anaconda experience of the NATO/American forces in Afghanistan. They revised their thinking on Arty guns in mountains after that.
 
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What a trollish post.

How many years it took to deliver C-130J, C-17, P-8I etc?

You guys will even blame India for the delays caused by foreign OEMs for personal satisfaction.

date pe date , date pe date, i am listening about artillery upgradation news since past 5- 7 years.... so

thats good for us. and blame kernay me india se bhla kya muaqbla hamara
 
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date pe date , date pe date, i am listening about artillery upgradation news since past 5- 7 years.... so

thats good for us. and blame kernay me india se bhla kya muaqbla hamara

You're artillery system purchases from US/China have allowed you to attain the lead in this one aspect, thanks to our stupid politicians who like to put they're dirty fingers into everything.

But I must tell you we still have the numerical edge in certain sectors, and within next 6 years, we will again re-attain our lead in possessing a wide variety of howitzers & rocket arty, as well as area-saturation missiles.

We all already ahead from India in artillery. so what to worry about for now indians are feeling pain about M-270 which may be we will get from US :D :D cheers

M270 won't change much. We already have superior 300mm Smerch and larger numbers of
214mm Pinakas, and future Pinaka-2s are underway.

There are also 120-km ranged Pinakas under development.
 
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date pe date , date pe date, i am listening about artillery upgradation news since past 5- 7 years.... so

thats good for us. and blame kernay me india se bhla kya muaqbla hamara

aap ne ek famous movie ki yaad dila di...Damini..


by the way,your bravery is somewhat trollish... :ashamed:
 
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The contract hasn't been signed yet ... expect it in late 2014 or early 2015
 
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