Plan was hatched in Washington, Bajwa was told to facilitate the switch regime change operation or get ready to be on Western Shit list along with IK and Pakistan.
Sir, times change. While they've held considerable influence even at the worst of times, I think the hubris should be replaced with pragmatism.
But, I would assume that public opinion still matters to them regardless, no?
Idk, Maybe they didn't want to outright admit it?
Indeed. And that's the problem for many, I assume. IK seems least interested in deals, at least for now, and is banking almost entirely on the vote. A risky move, you'll agree.
Sir, I don't see how this related to the topic at hand. Maybe we are looking at it from different perspective. I am talking about the public image of the military suffering heavily due to recent event. Will the public just forego everything in favor of benefitting from their technological prowess or business acumen? Or did I miss your point?
More food for thought.Sir, times change. While they've held considerable influence even at the worst of times, I think the hubris should be replaced with pragmatism.
But, I would assume that public opinion still matters to them regardless, no?
Idk, Maybe they didn't want to outright admit it?
Indeed. And that's the problem for many, I assume. IK seems least interested in deals, at least for now, and is banking almost entirely on the vote. A risky move, you'll agree.
Also, sir. What, in your informed opinion, will it take to move forward? Should we just sit it out? I don't think that's in the best interest of any party. While IK stands to lose the least if things get dragged out, the damage to Pakistan and the establishment seems immense. I could care less about what becomes of PDM.
Sir, I don't see how this related to the topic at hand. Maybe we are looking at it from different perspective. I am talking about the public image of the military suffering heavily due to recent event. Will the public just forego everything in favor of benefitting from their technological prowess or business acumen? Or did I miss your point?
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(Haven't read it, just throwing out hte buzz word. But, I read it can fck you up in the head, excuse the french)That isn't the case yet. We are already selling off motorways, steel mills and SSGC and what not. If this experiment continues for long enough. Karachi port might be next. A day might come when things appear relatively better with India and we are aggressively fed, we no longer have a threat from India, our sole nuclear adversary. And before you know it, the A bomb, Nawaz sharif's gift to the nation, is no longer needed.
Coming from an extended military family where my elders have reached flag rank in all 3 sister services, all I can say is when people who wore the blue & white end up saying with vehemence "Don't equate us with those khaki ###############!" is when you know the army has really screwed the pooch. I think it is time for some introspection in the institution.
bhai golf courses keh bahir nai niklay kabhi!
Not the elite.sounds very 1984-ish, if you ask me.
This is my point of contention. sir. Everything else is not disputed. I am not saying the generals and dumb or traitors, Yes, I am aware that a lot of people are saying such things. I wouldn't say traitors. Cuz what's a traitor? Who do you have to betray to qualify as a dictator? The state? Well, what qualifies as the state?
On the other hand, if the state is taken to mean the people, then we have to see what counts as betraying the public? Sabotaging their mandate? Maybe, But, I still wouldn't go as far as to say traitors. Not even dumb, Just a tad out of touch with the times.
Back to my point. Times change.
You are basically saying that the military is the elite. Every country has it's elite and some form of MIC. There's some pros to that. No ones denying the technological prowess of the establishment. In my opinion, if the people are not with them, it's not sustainable. Eventually, there comes a time when, God Forbid, all that remains to be said is a "Let them have cake"
I agree that Pakistan in it's current state stands coz of the military. That's why I voted IK in 2018. I didn't care about him at all. I just knew Nawaz sharif was going to bring down the system with him, like the jilted lover he was being.
I agree it shouldn't be destroyed.
I don't agree that it should be made to flourish. I think it needs to be gradually replaced or at least have an alternative.
That isn't the case yet. We are already selling off motorways, steel mills and SSGC and what not. If this experiment continues for long enough. Karachi port might be next. A day might come when things appear relatively better with India and we are aggressively fed, we no longer have a threat from India, our sole nuclear adversary. And before you know it, the A bomb, Nawaz sharif's gift to the nation, is no longer needed.
