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Lockheed May Pitch F-35 to Rejoin $11 Billion India Jet Contest

The Americans may pitch in what ever they want, we have a standard of procedure for procuring military tech and equipment and hence there is no chance the India is going to alter this procedure for Americas dream to sell F 35 however superior the plane might be, the Indian Government is going to politely say the Americans, "SORRY BOSS, YOU ARE TOO LATE FOR THE EXAM, YOU CAN COME THE NEXT TIME".
 
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we have full faither in eft/rafele to provided us with key compenents and know hows to carry out our developement and research for the AMCA
How is having full TOT of Rafale help you with your stealth AMCA project?...:what:

if all things were equal(price and induction) which they never are... you or any nation would take the F-35 over any fourth gen tech air plane with TOT or without it...:whistle:
 
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How is having full TOT of Rafale help you with your stealth AMCA project?...:what:

if all things were equal(price and induction) which they never are... you or any nation would take the F-35 over any fourth gen tech air plane with TOT or without it...:whistle:

Buddy, this is not the way Indian Armed Services do business, just go for a better tech when ever it is offered. That is called as ethics. If any country does that will the remaining country in the race will ever do business with the country again.
 
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The sales mean more to US government than to LM. If US wants to maintain its pre eminent postion in the world, it has to have powerful alies and....US government recognizes this. Don't be surprised if US government bends its rules for India

India is not an ally. In India's own words, its a strategic partner. US government recognizes India as a potential candidate to maintain Chinese hegemony in check and be a beacon of democracy in a region surrounded by non-democratic states. The sales will mean more to LM Corporation who will get a good cashflow for future fighter prototype development to jumpstart over Boeing.
 
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The F35 has not even been inducted into the NATO countries which funded its development. Even if this deal comes through India wont get any F35 for a very long time. Its better to go with the Shortlisted MMRCA aircraft
 
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Lockheed Martin hopeful for Indian combat aircraft $11 billion deal

LE BOURGET, PARIS: India's status as a cherry in the global defence and aerospace segment has been underlined again as Lockheed Martin , one of the global defence majors who tried in vain for the medium multi-role combat aircraft deal has been quoted as being hopeful of re-entering the race for the $11 billion deal.

The US defence major's continued hope for the Indian defence deal is seen by experts here as reflective of the intensity of global competition to catch a piece of the India defence pie, but it is learnt that Lockheed's chances of a re-entry into the race is only speculative at the moment.

Lockheed vice president for corporate strategy and business development, Patrick Dewar was quoted as saying that the company's chances of offering the F-35 stealth fighter for the MMRCA deal had improved when the US senate armed services committee asked the defence department to study the feasibility of a joint strike fighter sale to India.

Lockheed officials at the Paris Air Show here said the statement should be considered of a "draft" nature. "This is a governmental decision, on what aircraft to offer to countries. He (Dewar) was referring to a draft language in a senate bill", Lockheed director of F-35 communication, Michael J Rein told ET. Rein said the company was not in discussion with the Indian government on the matter.

A reversal of the combat aircraft selection process is considered unlikely as analysts are already saying that such a step would be considered to be succumbing to US pressure, overlooking technical merits of the competing aircraft.

Lockheed, which has a fleet of proven combat aircraft including the F-16, lost out to Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault's Rafale in the MMRCA race. Typhoon and Rafale are both on display at the air show here, and the European companies are hoping to hear from India the final word on the winner in about a month.

Defence and aerospace officials here say that the defeat in the combat aircraft race in India need not be a complete setback for the US defence sector, considering that the arming of India promises attractive downstream business opportunities including technology solutions for India's defence sector in the coming years.

While India has decided on one of the European aircraft - Typhoon or Rafale - to lead its airstrike power in the immediate future, global aerospace majors are also tapping opportunities in the Chinese market. Boeing today announced the opening of an innovation centre in Shaanxi Province in China , in association with Aviation Industry
Corporation of China.

The AVIC-Boeing venture is expected to enhance Boeing's production system by increasing AVIC's efficiency and capacity to supply high-quality parts for Boeing aircraft.
 
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The Americans may pitch in what ever they want, we have a standard of procedure for procuring military tech and equipment and hence there is no chance the India is going to alter this procedure for Americas dream to sell F 35 however superior the plane might be, the Indian Government is going to politely say the Americans, "SORRY BOSS, YOU ARE TOO LATE FOR THE EXAM, YOU CAN COME THE NEXT TIME".



We would be dumb to accept your logic. Our military desevces the best regardles of timelines and procedures. If the threat is immient, do you suggest , waiting and selecting sub par equipment? SOrry boss, you hatred for America is quite evident, you're not fooling us.
 
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Pentagon postpones F-35 cost and performance review

A high-level Pentagon review of the Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 fighter programme that would have established a new cost baseline for the tri-service F-35 Lightning II has been postponed until the fall, the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) programme's top official said last week. The F-35 programme came under fire for rising costs at a Senate hearing in May.

The F35The Pentagon's top weapon's buyer, Dr Ashton Carter, informed a Senate committee in May this year that buying the planned 2,443 F-35 planes for the US Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps was estimated to cost twice as much in real terms as originally expected.

The price, he said, was "unacceptable and unaffordable."

The review had been scheduled for late May and then was rescheduled for mid-June. Now, the programme's Pentagon overseers have decided to wait until more actual performance data is available before forming estimates.

The Defense Acquisitions Board (DAB) review would have required defence undersecretary, Ashton Carter and other senior defence officials to establish a new procurement, or cost, baseline at the meeting.

The 2,443 US tri-service stealth F-35, or Joint Strike Fighter, is currently estimated to cost $382 billion. The new price baseline would allow future cost growth to be measured.

A settlement of the new price baseline would also reflect a major restructuring of the programme, the programme's second in two years.

Lockheed chief executive, Robert Stevens, continues to assert he is confident the company could resolve development challenges facing the programme.

Lockheed expects the F-35 programme to account for more than 20 per cent of its global sales once it enters full production.

Explaining the review cancellation, the JSF programme executive officer, Vice Adm David Venlet, said, "It was decided: why don't we let a little bit more of the performance of the programme both in test and production play out through the summer; why don't we let that integrated master schedule get finished, do a schedule risk assessment of it, present that to service leadership, let them ponder IOC [initial operating capability], let the operational test planning complete."

"Then, rather than set a baseline now with a whole bunch of go-finish-your-homework assignments, we will go finish the homework and then present the new baseline for Dr Carter's approval in the fall of this year."

Carter, as mentioned earlier, is the Pentagon's procurement chief.

The delay is a matter of being thorough, not an indication of new problems, Adm Venlet clarifed.

"That is not a sign of alarm. It is, I think, a determination to continue in a deliberate fashion with good solid fundamentals applied to get things done," he said.

The jet is doing well in testing and it is meeting its key performance parameters (KPP), Adm Venlet said.

The Air Force's F-35A model had previously fallen just short of some of the parameters.

"There is not a lot of margin, but we expect all of them to be met," Venlet said. "We have data and some issues in development that caused us to assess a current status of the range for the [Conventional Take-off and landing variant] to be below its KPP number … but we also have a body of test data. We're sort of getting an aggregation of measured test points of specific fuel consumption that's better than the models."

Carter has expressed confidence that the Pentagon would be able to trim excess costs over the coming months and years.

The Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, estimates that total development cost of the F-35 will go up 26 per cent to $56.4 billion and the programme itself will finally mature in 2018, five years behind schedule.

Another staggering statistic is the estimated total cost of operating and maintaining the new planes, which, over the coming decades, is expected to cost the Pentagon upwards of $1 trillion. Defence officials and industry executives, however, are at pains to emphasise that they are working hard to reduce those costs.


Clearly F-35 is not for India under the current situation.If at all goes well, F-35 will be ready for operational service in 2018.that too is no more hiccups during its testing phase.
IAF certainly dont need a waterdown version when itself can get its handon FGFA during the same period.
2443 fighters cost 382 billion. Thats more than $156 million a piece.
Before fan boys jump on, do some technical research.
 
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India is not an ally. In India's own words, its a strategic partner. US government recognizes India as a potential candidate to maintain Chinese hegemony in check and be a beacon of democracy in a region surrounded by non-democratic states. The sales will mean more to LM Corporation who will get a good cashflow for future fighter prototype development to jumpstart over Boeing.

:rofl: :rofl:
 
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Partners to Get Equal JSF Stealth

6/22/2011 9:17 AM CDT

JSF partners and customers will be able to have the same stealth characteristics as the U.S., according to Joe Dellavedova, the F-35 program office spokesman.

There is a caveat: "each partner will have the option to add 'unique' capabilities that may have minor LO characteristics," he tells Aviation Week. One example, he says, is the addition of adding a drag chute, an item Norway has eyed.

Such "capabilities may have minor implications on LO characteristics," Dellavedova says. Dellavedova made his comments in response to follow up questions during the F-35 briefing at this week's Paris Air Show. During the briefing, deputy program manager USAF Maj. Gen. CD Moore and Lockheed Martin executive vice president Tom Burbage seemed flatfooted at a question posted by a journalist asking whether a report in the Australian media that the radar cross section capability would be degraded for the partners.

Moore said, "All I can tell you is we have every intent on meeting the KPPs on the aircraft as designated by our partners," adding that the report was "speculative."

After the briefing, a program source also said the discussion about RCS is largely classified.

Partners to Get Equal JSF Stealth
 
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Partners to Get Equal JSF Stealth

6/22/2011 9:17 AM CDT

JSF partners and customers will be able to have the same stealth characteristics as the U.S., according to Joe Dellavedova, the F-35 program office spokesman.

There is a caveat: "each partner will have the option to add 'unique' capabilities that may have minor LO characteristics," he tells Aviation Week. One example, he says, is the addition of adding a drag chute, an item Norway has eyed.

Such "capabilities may have minor implications on LO characteristics," Dellavedova says. Dellavedova made his comments in response to follow up questions during the F-35 briefing at this week's Paris Air Show. During the briefing, deputy program manager USAF Maj. Gen. CD Moore and Lockheed Martin executive vice president Tom Burbage seemed flatfooted at a question posted by a journalist asking whether a report in the Australian media that the radar cross section capability would be degraded for the partners.

Moore said, "All I can tell you is we have every intent on meeting the KPPs on the aircraft as designated by our partners," adding that the report was "speculative."

After the briefing, a program source also said the discussion about RCS is largely classified.

Partners to Get Equal JSF Stealth

Yes the highlited part is true,Israel has already stated that they would make some modifications once they buy the JSF.I wonder what kind of modifications they would be.
 
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And join the que of 3000 odd orders of JSF . Their production rate is 20 fighters per year..And i dont think they will be outsourcing any production outsourced to India either for their fighter jet.

Lets all wait for MoD response. They have rejected this proposal earlier. If it happens again , it could be really really funny.

But US may compromise JSF to us as if we buy them there wll be no competitors for JSF like AMCA will be delayed and US is successful in parting India and Russia to have a light weight 5G fighter project(We cant have 4 stealth platforms na. FGFA/JSF/AMCA/LWF of russia). But if we reject it its orders may decrease from others, you can expect why .
It will be a humiliation to US. And US know in MRCA those fighters will be produced in India. So if at all it offers , we can expect some tot. Moreover China was a good reason for US to offer us F-35. Even if we reject F-35 in MRCA, we would have good chance to evaluate them!!!
 
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