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Line them up and execute?

Ejaz Haider

What should one make of the YouTube video that allegedly shows Pakistan Army troops executing six men, blindfolded and hands tied behind their backs?

There are three arguments, starting with the assumption that it is ersatz.

The army says it has zero tolerance for this kind of behaviour and is investigating the issue. If the veracity of the video is established, the men will be punished. Last time an army major was found involved in murdering some villagers in Sindh, he was dismissed from service and sentenced to death.

The army also says the Taliban are known to make and doctor videos. Also, the last time they attacked the GHQ, they were wearing army uniforms and one could not tell them apart from genuine soldiers.


Assumption two: The video shows army jawans bringing six men to an unidentified location and line them up. While these men are being led to the spot where they are shown to be killed, one can hear birds chirping and then a voice saying, “Tanvir saab, 2IC [second-in-command] saab bula rahay hain.” Apparently, Tanvir saab doesn’t hear him and this man then calls out and says, “Abid, Tanvir saab ko bulao; 2IC saab bula rahay hain.” Army lingo, this.

The jawans are in battle fatigues with flak jackets and helmets, holding G-3s, the standard-issue assault rifle of the army. To anyone who has seen the army from close quarters, it is hard to believe that this is a set-up, given the soldiers’ movements and mannerism.

After the men have been lined up, a soldier, presumably an officer, inspects them. He is bearded and without a moustache. He returns to the line of soldiers who straighten their rifles; one hears G-3 shots. The men fall; two soldiers walk up to the bodies and pump single rounds. One tries to fire and the rifle produces the distinct click of an empty magazine. Since he seems to be using a standard G-3 magazine, he has fired at least 20 FMJ (full metal jacket) rounds until that point.

Assumption three: this has happened, not because the army has a policy to execute Taliban fighters or suspects, but because in an operational environment where there is no front and no rear and where the enemy cannot be identified, fighting takes its toll and a unit or a sub-unit can succumb to such pressures.

It is a fact, perhaps not well-known, that Taliban groups have slaughtered captured officers and jawans on camera and sent those videos to the units. Those videos are not for the squeamish. It is only human for a fighting unit to cross the line that separates killing someone in a fire-fight and murdering fighters or suspects in cold blood to avenge the brutal killings of comrades-in-arms. (By the way, the current operational tenure is about 22 months, a terribly long time for any unit.)

But this is precisely the slippery slope the army must be worried about. The cost in terms of the psychological makeup of a fighting unit, its discipline, its approach to problem-solving, and a multitude of other factors, far outweighs the benefit of executing Taliban fighters in this manner.

In Book Three of History of the Peloponnesian War, Thucydides writes in detail about the Mytilenian Dialogue. The account, which deals with the debate over whether Athens should execute the people of Mytilene, after their revolt captures with great incisiveness the moral and ethical dilemmas and confusions that dog a people during times of war and conflict.

Pakistan has been in a state of war for nine years. And this war, for the most part, is an insurgency involving some elements of Pakistani society pitted against the state. The ethical questions for us are even more troublesome. So far, we have not even begun to debate them in any nuanced manner. And the army remains the most closed.

It is crucial for the army to openly and transparently investigate this video and, if it is found to be genuine, to proceed against the officers and men involved for murder. And it is the task of the media and the society to debate these issues without losing the many nuances that underlie them.


Published in The Express Tribune, October 4th, 2010.


Line them up and execute? – The Express Tribune
 
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- fake -

Just an attempt to pressurzie our army by NATO on recent fuel tanker issue

Its psychalogical warfare being played against our army by NATO and media

Anytime our army tries to defend or become vocal against air raids on civilians and army units in Pakistan these antics are launched in western media to discredit the Pakistan Army

When was the last time Pakistani Solider , was youtubing ??? lol and making videos so closely with out being caught lol imagine you were the guy making the video ??
 
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The army jawans are allowed to carry mobile phones with camera??

Can some one answer me this?
 
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Have you heard G-3 fire?
If yes then you will come to conclusion that all is fake and Bull Sh it
 
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Have you heard G-3 fire?
If yes then you will come to conclusion that all is fake and Bull Sh it

You can't identify the sound from that video. The firing was a bit too loud for the Cellphone's audio processor to process. However there's no doubt in my mind that the soldiers were carrying G3s.

In any case, more power to firing squads! I didn't see the international media making a storm when 'Khooni Chowk' from SWAT was the hub for executing our military personnel and citizens of SWAT. Its a two way street and should remain one.
 
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AZADPAKISTAN and everyone else hiding behind this "authenticity" pillar, what exactly do you mean?

- The video is not authentic and is, therefore, a staged drama?

- It was made with computers inside the Pentagon and the basement under the Knesset?

- Is the video from Kashmir or Sri Lanka?

In any case, prove your point and please be more specific. Why do you say that the video is fake? Did you see the shots fired at the corpses and how the corpses moved?

Secondly, have you ever seen Pakistani acting (top Lollywood and Indus TV drama-serials)? It's pathetic. The special effects are laughable at best. Do you think that a bunch of amateurs can fake something like this?

Have you not seen previous Army videos of old men being beaten up and whipped into unconsciousness?

"It's not authentic" is just a phrase to hide behind. It doesn't mean anything. The evidence is before you. Punjabis rounding up and killing Pashtuns. "It's not authentic". Cowards. Hypocrites.

At least be a man and take the average Punjabi stance that on this - the laughable idea that these kids are Taliban and they deserve nothing less.

Lastly, is this the writ of the state the army was there to impose? summary executions? No wonder the country is so screwed up.
 
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Wikileaks documents reveal that US itself runs a huge program that identifies, tracks and eliminates insurgent leaders in Afghanistan and Pakistan - so, I think this media thing is just an element of pressure in the current difficulty the US seems to be having in Pakistan.

The Us forces use such a program because it is effective, have you seen any US or any Western media personnel ask questions about this program?
 
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Musafar...no big deal if you're one of anti-Pak Army but let me in simple way enlist you something and then you can work on your part investigate and doctor your calculated reply.

Remember the faking of funeral prayer Nimaz-e-Janza by indian forces in Kargil War with the blunders of prostration in funeral prayer.

Remember how many of our Forces have been attacked and how much muniations and stuff have been taken away by them.

Remember GHQ Attack with terrorists wearing Army uniforms.

Remember, our jawans are not allowed to carry cell phones unless you have allowed them.

Remember in past several years Police stations attacked with terrorists wearing police uniforms.

Now if you have credible Intl and ways to present and show proof that this video is authentic go ahead.

Pakistan is screwed by people like you who are sympathetic towards taliban terrorists.

Pak Army and Armed Forces have every right to beat the hell out of these terrorists who have blown 100+ schools in Tribal killing children, murdering anyone, blown all across KPK, slaughter and beheaded Army Jawans and cilivians in Swat and yet you have audacity to come here call for peace-peace and loving treatment for these barbarians?
 
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Luftwafe... Public opinion my dear... public opinion...

Our army is far above those murderers... we should not and cannot afford to turn public opinion against our own military...
 
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Musafir... I agree with you that such a thing should not have happened... but wont count it as punjabis killing pushtuns... that is uncalled for...
 
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Muhammad-Bin-Qasim..
Our army is far above those murderers.

Interesting now explain in detail.

Public is with The Army since when did public sided with terrorists any official pole? So far public curse those talibans/terrorists.
 
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