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Lieberman: Israel holds clandestine talks with Arab countries - Israel News, Ynetnews

Israel is holding secret talks with some Arab states that do not recognise it, looking to establish diplomatic ties based on a common fear of Iran, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman told Yedioth Ahronot in an interview published on Monday.

Amongst the countries he was in contact with were Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, Lieberman said - the first such disclosure by a senior Israeli official.

The two nations swiftly denied the existence of any talks with Israel.

Both these states, along with most other Arab nations, have traditionally been highly hostile towards Israel, which has only signed peace deals with two neighbours - Egypt and Jordan.

However, anti-Israeli sentiment was being superseded by a growing concern over Iran's nuclear program, Tehran's regional allies, and the menace of Islamist militancy, Lieberman said.

"For the first time there is an understanding there that the real threat is not Israel, the Jews or Zionism. It is Iran, global jihad, (Lebanese Shi'ite guerrilla group) Hezbollah and al-Qaeda," the foreign minister said.

"There are contacts, there are talks, but we are very close to the stage in which within a year or 18 months it will no longer be secret, it will be conducted openly," added Lieberman, who is a far rightist in the coalition government.

Lieberman said he was in touch with "moderate" Arabs - a term Israelis often use for Sunni states in the Gulf and elsewhere in the Middle East that align with US interests. He also said he would have no problem visiting Saudi Arabia or Kuwait.

"I have spent more than a few years of meetings and talks with them. As far as they are concerned, there is only one red rag and that is Iran," he said.

"You have to understand that if in Bahrain outlaws Hamas or Hezbollah, it's not because of Israel. When the presidential candidate in Egypt, General al-Sisi, outlaws the Muslim Brotherhood, it's not because of Zionism. They understand that we are on the same side of the divide," he noted.

A spokesman for Saudi Arabia's Foreign Ministry said: "There are no ties or talks with Israel at any level."

In Kuwait, Foreign Ministry Undersecretary Khaled al-Jarallah said: "It is not true, we don't have these kind of talks."

Full relations
Lieberman claimed a peace agreement could be signed with moderate Arab countries within five years, and claimed that some new Israeli-Arab peace accords would be signed in 2019.

"I'm certain that by then we will have a situation in which we have full diplomatic relations with most of the moderate Arab states. And you can count on my word," he said.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has long hinted that Israel and the Gulf states share a similar goal in halting Iran's nuclear program, saying they all saw a mortal threat in its ambitious atomic drive.

Iran denies that it is planning to build nuclear weapons.

Senior Israeli officials have also said that like themselves, moderate Sunni states are worried that Washington was not taking a tough enough line with Tehran.

However, analysts have scoffed at the idea that ties between Israel and much of the Arab world could be normalized while the Israeli-Palestinian conflict remained unresolved.

US-brokered peace talks between the two are floundering, with no indication that a resolution is anywhere in sight.

"To Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states, the cost of open relations with Israel at this time may be higher than the benefit, given the position of the Arab street," Israeli think tank, the Institute for National Security Studies, said in a report in December.

Lieberman, who has worked hard in recent months to soften his hardline international image, suggested Arab nations were as eager as Israel to be open about their shared interests.

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I'm not trying to bash Arab nations here, however, I'm surprised the Israeli FM is saying this publicly, he can't be lying about foreign relations. If what he says turns out to be true within a year I believe this would be an interesting era in the Middle East and many things would change. If it does become public the other side will benefit from it.

So can we agree we can't deny these talks are taking place anymore? Why don't they just become allies and publicly announce it?
 
To be honest I don't believe this. There might be problems with the Mullah's of Iran but the Arab street would turn against any Arab government that would openly side with Israel. Hence that never really going to happen at least not openly. That does not mean that there cannot be normalization between the Arab world and Israel once a lasting and correct solution about Palestine has been found.

It's just an attempt of Lieberman to get some publicity.

In any case Qatar is the only Arab country outside the immediate Arab neighbors of Israel that have met Israeli officials openly. Just saying.
 
To be honest I don't believe this. Their might be problems with the Mullah's of Iran but the Arab street would turn against any Arab government that would openly side with Israel. Hence that never really going to happen at least not openly. That does not mean that there cannot be normalization between the Arab world and Israel once a lasting and correct solution about Palestine has been found.

It's just an attempt of Lieberman to get some publicity.

In any case Qatar is the only Arab country outside the immediate Arab neighbors of Israel that have met Israeli officials openly. Just saying.

I'm suspicious of him too since Israeli press has been telling him lately to live up to his words and make elections. He threatened to make elections if more Palestinian prisoners are released and the Israeli public believes he'd lose his job. He says some bizarre things and used to be a source of controversy between Israel and the United States.

Although at the same time, Arab nations are preoccupied with many issues. I don't believe we'll become politically involved in the I/P conflict for another ten years. The UN full recognition status won't go through as the US would veto it and Arab nations have more than enough on their shoulders due to Syria and Arab spring.

So maybe it is true that they'll seek relations or work together temporarily. I'm not a huge fan of Qatar either, they don't have an Islamist policy regardless of whom they support. I think we can't deny certain Arab nations and Israel are talking though. What I want from them is to make it public.
 
Also all states of the ME have some covert cooperation of some kind. I mean Iran had it with Israel and even KSA and Iran have relations. The ME is a complicated region so it's sometimes difficult to really understand what is going on and do we really even know what is going on? All we hear are rumors and talk from the media.

We would probably all get surprised if we knew fully what was going on but is anyone even knowing that? Even the decision makers? I somehow doubt this.

It would be interesting to discuss a future ME for once without there being trolling 90% of the time.

I don't have high hopes of that happening but we can at least try.

The ME might be the cradle of civilization but right now it is often the cradle of retardation. :lol:
 
Also all states of the ME have some covert cooperation of some kind. I mean Iran had it with Israel and even KSA and Iran have relations. The ME is a complicated region so it's sometimes difficult to really understand what is going on and do we really even know what is going on? All we hear are rumors and talk from the media.

We would probably all get surprised if we knew fully what was going on but is anyone even knowing that? Even the decision makers? I somehow doubt this.

It would be interesting to discuss a future ME for once without there being trolling 90% of the time.

I don't have high hopes of that happening but we can at least try.

There's a difference between cooperation and relations. For example, the Palestinian government coordinates through third party sources on opening border crossings and allowing goods through. However, there aren't any relations at all, they don't benefit from each other or work together. They just seek what's best for them.

I personally have no problem with Arab nations having relations with Israel or even becoming allies with Israel if that's what they want. Just one thing, make it public.

@al-Hasani

As for Saudi Arabia specifically, I never felt that those two nations needed each other except until recently they may find converging interests. In the past however they never really needed each other and Israel wasn't important to Saudi Arabia. Israel doesn't need Saudi Arabia but it needs diplomatic relations with Arab nations as the US in the future will not place the whole burden in its shoulders. I feel though that this was the plan in the first place.

Regarding Egypt, they already have relations but they're not making it public, which is why I say make it public so we see how the Arab world and people's react to it.
 
I personally have no problem with Arab nations having relations with Israel or even becoming allies with Israel if that's what they want. Just one thing, make it public.
Really? That's surprising. But I really fail to see what any Arab country can gain from Israel that they cannot gain from the West for instance? Or other partners? Just curious to know.

Well, Israel cannot expect any REAL Arab partners if the Palestinian question has not been solved. I don't see any real relation happening anytime soon if the situation does not change.

Which relations does Egypt have with Israel other than the ones originating from the Camp David Accords?
 
Really? That's surprising. But I really fail to see what any Arab country can gain from Israel that they cannot gain from the West for instance? Or other partners? Just curious to know.

That's what I want to know too, maybe agricultural cooperation and cooperation against Iran. They get gas from Israel too, the PA also does.

Well, Israel cannot expect any REAL Arab partners if the Palestinian question has not been solved

I highly doubt this, Israel has diplomatic relations with Arab countries and embassies in their nations.

I don't see any real relation happening anytime soon if the situation does not change.

If they're secret we don't know.

Which relations does Egypt have with Israel other than the ones originating from the Camp David Accords?

They have diplomatic relations and security cooperation, ie. persecute the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
 
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