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" Mr President, where there are Bengalis, that is Bangladesh"

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That was the retort of Shekh Mujib when Gen Ne Win had suggested that there was no problem for Bengalis to stay in Burma as long as they observed local laws. This retort had worried Ne Win so much that he often mentioned this during his meetings with diplomats.So why not accept the Burmese version that these are Bangladeshis and therefore lodge our claim to Arakan?

2.Myanmar once again brands Rohingya Muslims as Bangladeshis Myanmar's same old trick raises concern

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Rohingya Muslims from Myanmar, who were rescued by the Myanmar navy alongside Bangladeshi refugees, are interviewed by immigration officers at a Muslim religious school used as a temporary refugee camp at Aletankyaw in the Rakhine state Saturday. Photo: Reuters

Staff Correspondent
Myanmar has once again banked on its old trick to describe Rohingya Muslims as "Bengalis" to avoid responsibilities amid growing international pressure on it to rescue thousands of boatpeople trapped at sea.

Following the rescue of 208 people from a boat on Thursday, Myanmar government officials claimed all of them were from Bangladesh and they would be deported to Bangladesh soon.

But government officials and experts on migrant issues in Dhaka termed it a “ploy” to push Rohingyas into Bangladesh.

Myanmar does not recognise the Rohingya population as its citizen.

Its claim came under fire as Reuters news agency found at least eight Rohingya Muslims among the 208, after interviewing a group of them at Kyauk Taw in Rakhine state where the rescued have been kept.

A team of Bangladesh officials will go there today or tomorrow to interview them, said a top foreign ministry official.

“If anyone is a confirmed Bangladeshi citizen, we'll instantly arrange for his repatriation,” the official added.


In another development, the Border Guard Bangladesh yesterday sought a complete list from Myanmar of those rescued.

Previously, the Myanmar authorities sent an “incomplete” list of 200 people, claiming they were Bangladeshis. The list does not contain particulars of those rescued in detail.

THE DENIAL

Over the recent years, thousands of “stateless” Rohingya and desperate fortune-seekers from Bangladesh embarked on dangerous sea voyages to Malaysia and other countries.

A recent crackdown on the people-smuggling trade in Thailand led to scores of migrants being abandoned by trafficking gangs in the Bay of Bengal and the Andaman Sea.

Taking advantage of the situation, the Myanmar authorities are labelling the rescued as Bangalees.

Even when the international media reported that several thousand Rohingya and Bangladeshi people are floating in the sea, Myanmar Vice-president U Nyan Tun on May 21 said most of the boatpeople were not from his country.

On the same day, its information ministry cited Nyan Tun saying the assumption that people are fleeing the state due to suppression and discrimination are completely at odds with what is happening on the ground, although some people may be trying to migrate for economic reasons.

The next day, Myanmar's military commander-in-chief said some boatpeople landing in Malaysia and Indonesia were “pretending to be Rohingya Muslims” to receive UN aid and that the “boat victims” were from Bangladesh, according to Reuters.

"This is nothing but the continuation of its [Myanmar's] policy," said Prof Delwar Hossain of international relations department at Dhaka University.

Bangladesh is already under international pressure to take in more Rohingyas, and Myanmar's denial and trick would result in more pressure on Bangladesh, he observed.

"Bangladesh has to expedite its diplomatic efforts and show with facts and figures that these victims are mostly Rohingyas," said Prof Delwar, also director of Centre for East Asia Studies at the DU.

Asked, a government official said, "We have strong doubt that all the 208 boatpeople are Bangladeshis .... There may be some Bangladeshis, but we believe that most of them are Rohingyas from Myanmar.”

THE PERSECUTION

Over the years, thousands of Rohingya people have fled to Bangladesh and other countries to escape persecution.

The trend began in the late 1970s as its government continued to impose discriminatory regulations on the Rohingyas, estimated to be 1.1 million, mostly in Rakhine province.

According to the UN refugee agency UNHCR, the Rohingyas were not formally recognised as Burmese national group after the country's independence in 1948. Also, the 1982 Citizenship Law denied them citizenship.

They are subject to various exploitations, including forced labour, extortion, restrictions on movement, denial of residence rights, inequitable marriage regulations and land confiscation.

Amid military oppression, some 5 lakh Rohingyas fled to Bangladesh -- first in 1978 and then in 1991-92. Presently, around 32,000 Rohingya refugees live in the UNHCR-run camps in Bangladesh, while an estimated 3 to 5 lakh live outside the camps.

Under the present reformist government formed in 2011, Myanmar saw the worst sectarian violence in 2012 that left hundreds dead and 1.4 lakh homeless, mostly Rohingyas in Rakhine, according to media reports.

Already grappling with the refugees, Bangladesh this time closed its door to the fresh Rohingya influx.

Over the past three years, over 120,000 Rohingyas have boarded ships to flee abroad. At least 25,000 migrants left Myanmar and Bangladesh in the first quarter of this year, about double the number over the same period last year. Between 40 and 60 percent of the 25,000 are thought to be from Myanmar's western state of Rakhine, the BBC reported on May 18, citing the UN refugee agency.

BORDER ALERT

Dhaka put on alerts the border guards and local administration to resist any possible pushback from Myanmar.

"From previous experiences, the government has ordered the border force to keep an eye on the border so that no pushback can taken place," said a highly placed source, seeking anonymity.

MASS GRAVES IN MALAYSIA

After the discovery of mass graves in Malaysia believed to contain bodies of hundreds of migrants from Myanmar and Bangladesh, officials at Bangladesh High Commission in Kuala Lumpur said they would look into the matter.

Sayedul Islam, counsellor (Labour Wing) at the mission, told The Daily Star by phone yesterday that there was no way of knowing if there were any Bangladeshi among the victims until the Malaysian police investigated it.

Earlier on May 11, as many as 603 migrants, who claimed to be Bangladeshis, were rescued by the Malaysian authorities.

Sayedul Islam said they would start verifying their nationality by this week.
 
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Just think if there was an EAST PAKISTAN Burmese would have been in great trouble but it's not... @asad71 simple solution take then,Arm them send them back to claim there land soon ISIS and TTP will land and Mynamr would be burning, ask other Muslim countries in name of Ummah if no ones just send a jammati to Islamabad to ask for help and surely Gov Pakistan will help on pressure of JUI...
 
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Just think if there was an EAST PAKISTAN Burmese would have been in great trouble but it's not... @asad71 simple solution take then,Arm them send them back to claim there land soon ISIS and TTP will land and Mynamr would be burning, ask other Muslim countries in name of Ummah if no ones just send a jammati to Islamabad to ask for help and surely Gov Pakistan will help on pressure of JUI...

!. We cannot fail to recollect the apathy of non-Bengali bureaucrats and Pak rulers towards Arkanese, Tripura Mahraj and the Nagas who wanted to join (E) Pakistan. Obviously they did not fancy the eastern wing becoming stronger.

2. The Rohingya Mujahids need funds, arms and ammo to fight. They need to fashion their strategy bearing in mind that BD's defense nd foreign relations are outsourced to Delhi which is allergic to the birth of another Muslim state or BD extending its territory. Whether the outcome will be IS,AQ, etc are speculations. Just now the Burmese invading marauders need to be ousted. Who will help?
 
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!. We cannot fail to recollect the apathy of non-Bengali bureaucrats and Pak rulers towards Arkanese, Tripura Mahraj and the Nagas who wanted to join (E) Pakistan. Obviously they did not fancy the eastern wing becoming stronger.

You have to understand. From the start they had a plan of escape route through Burma.
 
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" Mr President, where there are Bengalis, that is Bangladesh"

1.
That was the retort of Shekh Mujib when Gen Ne Win had suggested that there was no problem for Bengalis to stay in Burma as long as they observed local laws. This retort had worried Ne Win so much that he often mentioned this during his meetings with diplomats.So why not accept the Burmese version that these are Bangladeshis and therefore lodge our claim to Arakan?

2.Myanmar once again brands Rohingya Muslims as Bangladeshis Myanmar's same old trick raises concern

rohingya_muslims.jpg

Rohingya Muslims from Myanmar, who were rescued by the Myanmar navy alongside Bangladeshi refugees, are interviewed by immigration officers at a Muslim religious school used as a temporary refugee camp at Aletankyaw in the Rakhine state Saturday. Photo: Reuters

Staff Correspondent
Myanmar has once again banked on its old trick to describe Rohingya Muslims as "Bengalis" to avoid responsibilities amid growing international pressure on it to rescue thousands of boatpeople trapped at sea.

Following the rescue of 208 people from a boat on Thursday, Myanmar government officials claimed all of them were from Bangladesh and they would be deported to Bangladesh soon.

But government officials and experts on migrant issues in Dhaka termed it a “ploy” to push Rohingyas into Bangladesh.

Myanmar does not recognise the Rohingya population as its citizen.

Its claim came under fire as Reuters news agency found at least eight Rohingya Muslims among the 208, after interviewing a group of them at Kyauk Taw in Rakhine state where the rescued have been kept.

A team of Bangladesh officials will go there today or tomorrow to interview them, said a top foreign ministry official.

“If anyone is a confirmed Bangladeshi citizen, we'll instantly arrange for his repatriation,” the official added.


In another development, the Border Guard Bangladesh yesterday sought a complete list from Myanmar of those rescued.

Previously, the Myanmar authorities sent an “incomplete” list of 200 people, claiming they were Bangladeshis. The list does not contain particulars of those rescued in detail.

THE DENIAL

Over the recent years, thousands of “stateless” Rohingya and desperate fortune-seekers from Bangladesh embarked on dangerous sea voyages to Malaysia and other countries.

A recent crackdown on the people-smuggling trade in Thailand led to scores of migrants being abandoned by trafficking gangs in the Bay of Bengal and the Andaman Sea.

Taking advantage of the situation, the Myanmar authorities are labelling the rescued as Bangalees.

Even when the international media reported that several thousand Rohingya and Bangladeshi people are floating in the sea, Myanmar Vice-president U Nyan Tun on May 21 said most of the boatpeople were not from his country.

On the same day, its information ministry cited Nyan Tun saying the assumption that people are fleeing the state due to suppression and discrimination are completely at odds with what is happening on the ground, although some people may be trying to migrate for economic reasons.

The next day, Myanmar's military commander-in-chief said some boatpeople landing in Malaysia and Indonesia were “pretending to be Rohingya Muslims” to receive UN aid and that the “boat victims” were from Bangladesh, according to Reuters.

"This is nothing but the continuation of its [Myanmar's] policy," said Prof Delwar Hossain of international relations department at Dhaka University.

Bangladesh is already under international pressure to take in more Rohingyas, and Myanmar's denial and trick would result in more pressure on Bangladesh, he observed.

"Bangladesh has to expedite its diplomatic efforts and show with facts and figures that these victims are mostly Rohingyas," said Prof Delwar, also director of Centre for East Asia Studies at the DU.

Asked, a government official said, "We have strong doubt that all the 208 boatpeople are Bangladeshis .... There may be some Bangladeshis, but we believe that most of them are Rohingyas from Myanmar.”

THE PERSECUTION

Over the years, thousands of Rohingya people have fled to Bangladesh and other countries to escape persecution.

The trend began in the late 1970s as its government continued to impose discriminatory regulations on the Rohingyas, estimated to be 1.1 million, mostly in Rakhine province.

According to the UN refugee agency UNHCR, the Rohingyas were not formally recognised as Burmese national group after the country's independence in 1948. Also, the 1982 Citizenship Law denied them citizenship.

They are subject to various exploitations, including forced labour, extortion, restrictions on movement, denial of residence rights, inequitable marriage regulations and land confiscation.

Amid military oppression, some 5 lakh Rohingyas fled to Bangladesh -- first in 1978 and then in 1991-92. Presently, around 32,000 Rohingya refugees live in the UNHCR-run camps in Bangladesh, while an estimated 3 to 5 lakh live outside the camps.

Under the present reformist government formed in 2011, Myanmar saw the worst sectarian violence in 2012 that left hundreds dead and 1.4 lakh homeless, mostly Rohingyas in Rakhine, according to media reports.

Already grappling with the refugees, Bangladesh this time closed its door to the fresh Rohingya influx.

Over the past three years, over 120,000 Rohingyas have boarded ships to flee abroad. At least 25,000 migrants left Myanmar and Bangladesh in the first quarter of this year, about double the number over the same period last year. Between 40 and 60 percent of the 25,000 are thought to be from Myanmar's western state of Rakhine, the BBC reported on May 18, citing the UN refugee agency.

BORDER ALERT

Dhaka put on alerts the border guards and local administration to resist any possible pushback from Myanmar.

"From previous experiences, the government has ordered the border force to keep an eye on the border so that no pushback can taken place," said a highly placed source, seeking anonymity.

MASS GRAVES IN MALAYSIA

After the discovery of mass graves in Malaysia believed to contain bodies of hundreds of migrants from Myanmar and Bangladesh, officials at Bangladesh High Commission in Kuala Lumpur said they would look into the matter.

Sayedul Islam, counsellor (Labour Wing) at the mission, told The Daily Star by phone yesterday that there was no way of knowing if there were any Bangladeshi among the victims until the Malaysian police investigated it.

Earlier on May 11, as many as 603 migrants, who claimed to be Bangladeshis, were rescued by the Malaysian authorities.

Sayedul Islam said they would start verifying their nationality by this week.

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Myanmar Finds 200 Bangladeshis, Not Rohingya, in Boat Offshore - The Jakarta Globe

Myanmar to deport Bangladeshis after first rescue of migrant boats | SBS News

simple solution take then,Arm them send them back to claim there land soon ISIS and TTP will land and Mynamr would be burning,

Great Idea..!! :enjoy:

.Myanmar once again brands Rohingya Muslims as Bangladeshis Myanmar's same old trick raises concern

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Amid international pressure the Myanmar Navy has resuced the first boat bringing 208 smuggling people, all of them Bangladeshi men. According to the initial investigation, the owner of the smuggling boat is a Thai citizen and the migrants were from Cox's Bazar, Chittagong and northern Dhaka in Bangladesh. Myanmar government gave them necessary humantarian aid and temporary shelters in its soil. Is this just the tip of the iceburg?

Far from the waters of Southeast Asia, the Council of the European Union agreed on Monday to create a naval operation, EUNAVFOR Med, to identify, capture, and destroy boats used by smugglers in the Mediterranean. However, EU military action against human smuggling networks should not put the lives and rights of migrants and asylum seekers in jeopardy, Human Rights Watch said on Thursday.

While EU’s “Destroying suspected smugglers’ boats fades from the media radar, the issue of boat people in Andaman Sea is now squarely in the world’s media spotlight. The Boat People in the Mediterranean and the Bay of Bengal and the Andaman Sea are not new issues, but in fact have been deep historical roots.

Both of Myanmar President Thein Sein and Myanmar military chief Senior General Min Aung Hlaing said during a meeting with U.S. Deputy Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Thursday that most boat people are expected to assume themselves to be Rohingya from Myanmar in the hope of receiving assistance from UNHCR. The two leaders insisted the boat people were not from Myanmar and they won’t accept the blame game foisted on them by the international community. They stressed the need to investigate the migrats’ country of origin rather than to accuse a country.

At the same time, Myanmar Vice President Nyan Tun said that extensive international media coverage about boat people and illegal migrants in the Andaman Sea and Strait of Malacca had caused concern among the global community although Myanmar has sought to prevent of illegal migration and human smuggling. Allegations that the boat people had left Myanmar are completely wrong, he said, stating admantly that most of them are not from Myanmar, although a few among them may be. The repatriation of 102 Myanmar migrants workers detained in Lankawi, Malaysia, by the Myanmar Navy, and that of about 500 Myanmar fishermen in Indonesia, proved Myanmar is ready to provide care and protection to ginuine citizens regardless of race and religion.

The phenomenon of boat people in this region goes back decades, but now illegal smugllers are using “Rohingya Refugee’ as an excuse to cover their transnation organized crimes. In the name of such refugee, the gravest violation of human rights are committed by corrupt officials who are involved in human trafficking activities and colluded with the trafficking syndicates.

The Myanmar government released a five-points statement about boat people on Tuesday, stating that (1) Myanmar shares concern expressed by the international community, (2) Myanmar deeply concerns with the sufferings and lethal fate of innocent people as a consequences of human smuggling and illegal migration, (3) the Myanmar Navy and Air Force would patrol to deter any illegal trespassing in the territory but would safely manage the trespassers, (4) preventive measures on human smuggling and illegal migration are being implemented through out the country and measures are also in place to maintain rule of law and security for all individuals in Rakhine State, and (5) Myanmar is fully prepared to work together with the international community, on humanitarian ground, to alleviate the sufferings of the smuggled victims.

It’s very clear that Myanmar is not the source of problems relating to boat people in the Andaman Sea, but rarher a partner of solutions. The international community must understand that pressuring and blaming Myanmar is not the way to save lives at sea.

The blame game and the wrong approach will not deliver the good results. The boat people crisis based on human smuggling and illegal migration is a regional problem and it will be difficult to solve the problems without regional cooperation.

The EU has found the best approach to solve their boat people problems, so what should be the solution for the countries bodering the Andaman Sea? The regional meeting in Thailand on irregular migrants set for Friday will be the forum to discuss solutions.

Three recommendations
on solutions should prove useful as we move forward.

First, regional countries need to cooperate to eliminate all human smugglers, their supports, their work and their secret networks, and they need to establish an official channel to regulate the flow of labour in the region. An important factor being neglected by many reports is the demand in receiving states. People arriving without proper documentation have been exploited by indusrties seeking for unregulated, cheap labours. Stories surface sometimes about workers living in slave-like condition with little or no payment. Myanmar and Thailand have already accelerated cooperation in cracking down on these labour forces.

Second, we have to promote not only bilateral cooperation but also the security and military cooperation, especially between navies and air Forces as well as between civil transport organizations among the countries of the Adamana Sea. We won’t replicate the EU’s boat destroying mission, but instead will use joint operations to tackle the smugglers and their supporters.

Finally, we need to expand the Bali Process to root out the secret smugglers’ gangs across the region. At the same time we need to open the doors for the media and civil society for all countries across the Bay of Bangal. We should promote the rule of law to combat human smuggling and illegal migration, not only at the regional level but also locally.

In the long term, the Andaman Sea countries and international community have to work together to move forward on the road of sustainable development, including poverty alleviation, education, socio-economic promotion and the creation of work opportunities, etc. The countries in the regional now face the challenges of the boat people crisis, so they must extend their hands to thoe sufferings of the smuggled victims by opening a new chapter of regional cooperation.
The blame game is not the answer, and instead we must find opportunities to reach win-win solutions.

[Zaw Htay is the director of the Myanmar President’s Office.]

[Source : http://www.pressreader.com/thailand/bangkok-post/20150524/281788512651704/TextView ]
 
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Who will help?
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!. We cannot fail to recollect the apathy of non-Bengali bureaucrats and Pak rulers towards Arkanese, Tripura Mahraj and the Nagas who wanted to join (E) Pakistan. Obviously they did not fancy the eastern wing becoming stronger.
45 years since 1971 you still put all of your mess on West Pakistan....
 
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@Aung Zaya ,I am seeing a lot of hyperbole and outright lies/kitman/Taqiyya by resident muslims on the Mynamar issue. Second thing,why doesn't mynamar revert the bengali rohingyas back to buddhism or hinduism?
 
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Just think if there was an EAST PAKISTAN Burmese would have been in great trouble but it's not... @asad71 simple solution take then,Arm them send them back to claim there land soon ISIS and TTP will land and Mynamr would be burning, ask other Muslim countries in name of Ummah if no ones just send a jammati to Islamabad to ask for help and surely Gov Pakistan will help on pressure of JUI...

If it's as simple as that go and do it yourself if not stop the bakwas.
 
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If it's as simple as that go and do it yourself if not stop the bakwas.
Everything is simple if you want to do it,if Pakistan was bordering Burma we would have never let it happen but surely a Banggandu can...aur Indian apni aukat mai reh.......

Do you really think you have the nessary capability
Kid what capability.....
 
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Everything is simple if you want to do it,if Pakistan was bordering Burma we would have never let it happen but surely a Banggandu can...aur Indian apni aukat mai reh.......

Kid what capability.....

Exactly my question what capability does Pakistan posses
The for answering my question
 
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Can't give religious equality at home (pakistan) but want Burma to do it.. heights of hypocrisy....
 
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Bangladesh plans to relocate Rohingya camps

When the Myanmar navy seized a boat used by people smugglers last week, it claimed that the 200 people found aboard were mostly Bangladeshis seeking better economic prospects in Southeast Asia. The message was clear – that very few of the people on the boat, and by extension in the wave of Asian ‘boatpeople’ drifting on the Bay of Bengal and the Andaman Sea, were members of Myanmar's Rohingya minority. Meanwhile in Dhaka, the authorities have announced plans to relocate Rohingya refugee camps from Bangladesh's south-eastern Cox’s Bazar to Hatiya island of Noakhali district. Reuters report from Myanmar, Rohingya are faced with a state sponsored persecution. However, Yangon denies that they are fleeing persecution. But in interviews with Reuters, people who were on the boat said between 150-200 Rohingya were aboard at one point. Many were quietly whisked away by the traffickers in the week before the navy brought the ship to shore, they said. The number is far larger than what Reuters reported previously. "All of the Rohingya got off the ship. The Bangladeshis stayed behind," said a 27-year-old Rohingya woman who was on the boat with her five children. The boat seized by the navy was at anchor for about two months off the coast of Myanmar to load up before it was supposed to set sail for Malaysia, the 7 residents and two community leaders of Thek Kay Pyin village of Rakhine, who did not want to be named, told Reuters. At the time it was filled with about 200 Bangladeshis and around 150-200 Rohingya, Thailand launched its crackdown on traffickers. Small fishing boats started coming up to the ship and began offloading the Rohingya for about a week before it was brought ashore by the navy last Thursday, Anyis, 18, a residents of a village close to Sittwe, the capital of Rakhine state, and Arafa, jobless Rohingya woman who came back from the ship told Reuters.

In Bangladesh, authorities have started planning to relocate Rohingya camps to Hatiya upazila of Noakhali in the Bay of Bengal, a move backed by Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, said Amit Kumar Baul, the head of the government's Myanmar Refugee Cell. "The relocation of the Rohingya camps will definitely take place. So far informal steps have been taken according to the Prime Minister's directives," he added. Bangladesh is home to 32,000 registered Rohingya refugees who are sheltering in two camps in Cox's Bazar, bordering Myanmar.

Bangladesh plans to relocate Rohingya camps | 24 News | Financial Express :: Financial Newspaper of Bangladesh
 
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Relocation is fine but it has to accompany with Asylum.
 
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