Leaders are not made, they are born as one !!

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Long Live Musharaf! He has gifted India Kashmir for eternity with his Kargil misadventure.

If anything he took territory from IOK:

Point 5353
Point Saddle ridge
Point Aftab-I
Shangruti
Point Bunker Ridge
Dhalunag

 

[GDP Adil Khan Niazi]

i had enough of surprises,bangladesh, kargil, kashmir,............
whats next , balochistan?

[[[[[[[[[ hum ghass khyiange aur atom bomb banayenge

atom bom aur missles tu ban gy, magar awaam ko abi be ghass he dija rehi hy!]]]]]]

So, for me one of PPP leader was at fault which led to Independence of Bangladesh, Every now and then we see, Intercountry issues start-up and then some 3rd country jumps into it calling it a "Help", at that time the enemy wanted the issues to grow on a larger level so that they can fill hatred in the minds and hearts of people and leadership of East Pakistan. If things would've taken seriously there was no chance of Bangladesh and especially when you'd two sides of Pakistan the concentration of enemy could've always remain divided on which side to defend/attack.

"Tensions rose in December 1970 when the Awami League party, led by Sheikh Mujibur Rahman (also known as Mujib) and based in East Pakistan, won the national elections but West Pakistan parties, namely the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), refused to hand over power. Tensions between Bengalis and Biharis - the Urdu-speaking communities that had moved to East Pakistan from different parts of India after Partition and who were seen as pro-West Pakistan - rose, which led to attacks on some Bihari communities."

~ Aljazeera quotes: (https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/remembering-war-1971-east-pakistan-191216054546348.html)

 

[Baghial]

maybe you should read the hamood ur rehman comission report,

The Moral Aspects”. On the Pakistan Army’s wine, women, lust… and corruption.

In its introductory section, the commission reports on “the moral aspect of the causes of our defeat in the 1971 War”. You can read about the “corruption” of “highly placed and responsible Service Officers”. And learn about their “lust for wine and women and greed for lands and houses” and their “highly immoral and licentious ways of life”.

The highest placed officer and Commander of the Eastern Forces, Lieutenant A. A. K. Niazi, is accused of “making money in the handling of Martial Law cases” while posted in Sialkot and Lahore; of being on “intimate terms with one Mrs. Saeeda Bukhari of Gulberg, Lahore who was running a brothel under the name of Senorita Home, and (…) also acting as the General’s tout for receiving brines and getting things done; that he was also friendly with another woman called Shamini Firdaus of Sialkot who was said to be playing the same role as Mrs Saeeda Bukhari of Lahore; that during his stay in East Pakistan he came to acquire a stinking reputation owing to his association with women of bad repute, and his nocturnal visits to places also frequented by several junior officers under his command; and that he indulged in the smuggling of Pan from East Pakistan to West Pakistan.




all the copys were burned, except, the one that bhutto didnt hand over

that was the reason he was hanged.

have no love for ppp. but bhutto was man with balls

after that every single one is the puppet till now

 

[Prince Kassad]

If anything he took territory from IOK:

Point 5353
Point Saddle ridge
Point Aftab-I
Shangruti
Point Bunker Ridge
Dhalunag

It is all about how you see it. It is not about winning or losing all the time. Sometimes, the work is done strategically. I happen to have met a Colonel of the war (Thanks to NCC) and he described me how some of the peaks that we "gave away" were not strategically important to our forces at all but were difficult to maintain as they were easy to climb on from enemy's side than from our side. We were successful in gaining control of all the important peaks, so it was of no use fighting for the useless territory. One more reason was, some peaks had only a part in our territory and major area under enemy's control, thus there was always a fear of getting attacked from height. As India always follow no aggression policy, it is not feasible to keep hold of the peak incurring so much loss.

So yes you can keep those peaks at the cost of kashmir, great deal!

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Bhutto madarch*d should have been hanged after fall of Dhaka

When we grew up in the 70s we were made to believe that ZA was a Hindu, his mother was a pros, his grand father handed Junagarh to India, Za was a drunkard and most of all he said "IDHAR HAM AUR UDHAR TUM" that created Bangladesh. How stupid we were, later they hanged him!!!
In 1971 the who ruled West and the Eastern wings, Who surrendered and did not fight, who did not give Bengali their rights and who committed atrocities!!!
LOOK AT THIS SHAMELESS NIAZI JUST BEFORE SURRENDERING,MY HEART BLEEDS WHEN I SEE THESE SIGHTS.

Tank over my dead body he said.

 

[Cliftonite]

When we grew up in the 70s we were made to believe that ZA was a Hindu, his mother was a pros, his grand father handed Junagarh to India, Za was a drunkard and most of all he said "IDHAR HAM AUR UDHAR TUM" that created Bangladesh. How stupid we were, later they hanged him!!!
In 1971 the who ruled West and the Eastern wings, Who surrendered and did not fight, who did not give Bengali their rights and who committed atrocities!!!
LOOK AT THIS SHAMELESS NIAZI JUST BEFORE SURRENDERING,MY HEART BLEEDS WHEN I SEE THESE SIGHTS.

Tank over my dead body he said.

Of couse the divide was much deeper than ZAB. But had that bastard agreed to give up his seat for the greater good of the country, we would have been united Pakistan. The world's largest Muslim country. Then he turned around and sold Ahmedis and us Muhajirs to the gallows. At this point, the Punjabi Sindhi alliance can have their way, Pakistan is irredeemable.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Imran khan is much better than him. And is the most popular pm Pakistan ever had

100% agreed

Completely Wrong

If anything he took territory from IOK:

Point 5353
Point Saddle ridge
Point Aftab-I
Shangruti
Point Bunker Ridge
Dhalunag

@PanzerKiel

Bhutto madarch*d should have been hanged after fall of Dhaka. I blame Ayub Khan for Bhutto's rise. Had he let Fatima Jinnah win, Bhutto would never have formed PPP and won.




Ghanta man of steel. He was an opportunist who would sell his own mother for political gain. He is the one who broke up Pakistan because he couldn't give up his position as leader of West Pakistan. He brought in ethnic politics and political patronage. He destroyed the economy, education system, bureaucracy by filling them with his illiterate Sindhi feudals. He sold off the Ahmedis for his own political gain.

He's the one who caused the ethnic tensions in Karachi by suppressing Muhajirs, he's the one who called for the botched military operation in Balochistan, whose results we are still seeing in the form of BLA.

May he forever rot in hell and may Bilawal also die soon so that we are rid of Bhutto's curse.

Except Ahmedis one I agree with you

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

But had that bastard agreed to give up his seat for the greater good of the country, we would have been united Pakistan.

Mujeeb won 165 seats and Bhutto 84, but Yahya and his cronies(Establishment) did not favour Mujeeb. They fed Bhutto with the lollipop that they will control EP and not allow Mujeeb at all cost, so should consider yourself as a PM. There was full censorship in the media, even till the 15th Dec we believed Pakistan was winning. Had the Establishment not blessed Bhutto, his rhetoric was enough for censorship. But they fed it to the masses to make Mujeeb look bad (which he did became later on).
Moving on we need to learn from our past mistakes and strive to make our country GREAT again.

 

[Cliftonite]

Completely Wrong


@PanzerKiel


Except Ahmedis one I agree with you

The Ahmedis are a part of the Pakistani people. Your beliefs are your own personal deal, how would you feel if the constitution declared us Muhajirs as lesser Pakistanis? That is what Bhutto did to Ahmedis. If they are not Muslim, God is enough to judge them in the Hereafter. The state cannot go out handing certificates of faith against it's own citizens

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Mujeeb won 165 seats and Bhutto 84, but Yahya and his cronies(Establishment) did not favour Mujeeb. They fed Bhutto with the lollipop that they will control EP and not allow Mujeeb at all cost, so should consider yourself as a PM. There was full censorship in the media, even till the 15th Dec we believed Pakistan was winning. Had the Establishment not blessed Bhutto, his rhetoric was enough for censorship. But they fed it to the masses to make Mujeeb look bad (which he did became later on).
Moving on we need to learn from our past mistakes and strive to make our country GREAT again.

One thing positive is that Ban is becoming more Muslim. Thanks to Hindutva, BD and PAK people are getting very closer

Opinion of mqm supporters does not matter.i am not saying everyone in Pakistan likes there are some people like you but majority supports him

Only about 20% atmost. Moreover, I don't support Amir Khan

 

[Cliftonite]

Mujeeb won 165 seats and Bhutto 84, but Yahya and his cronies(Establishment) did not favour Mujeeb. They fed Bhutto with the lollipop that they will control EP and not allow Mujeeb at all cost, so should consider yourself as a PM. There was full censorship in the media, even till the 15th Dec we believed Pakistan was winning. Had the Establishment not blessed Bhutto, his rhetoric was enough for censorship. But they fed it to the masses to make Mujeeb look bad (which he did became later on).
Moving on we need to learn from our past mistakes and strive to make our country GREAT again.

Whatever happened so happened. We need to get rid of PPP and it's feudal Sindhi curse.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

That is what Bhutto did to Ahmedis. If they are not Muslim, God is enough to judge them in the Hereafter.

All our minorities are most dear to us and everyone has equal Human Rights. Regarding Ahmadis, they are not considered as Muslims and as per some they call them HERETICS. Lets leave religion separate and focus on the thread.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

We need to get rid of PPP and it's feudal Sindhi curse.

1000% agree to that.

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Humare taxes se chalta hai Karachi

Karachi is the backbone of Pakistan in terms of revenue and output. Changing the status of Karachi from being a Capital Territory, was the step in the wrong direction, the price of which we are still paying with our Economy,Integrity and Prosperity.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Completely Wrong


@PanzerKiel


Except Ahmedis one I agree with you

Kargil... Always an interesting topic... We'll discuss it in it's own thread....