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they used to roam the wild in parts of Sindh and southern Punjab some time ago, but finished off due to hunting and natural causes. now wild ones only exist in gir sanctuary, unfortunately. its sad that the beautiful asiatic lion which had a historical range extending from greece (sikander's time), the levant, through persia to western china, is now only restricted to this isolated little reserve.

@KRAIT any chance when the population increases over a thousand or so, that gov of India could help re-establish their historic range by sending a few to Pakistan and Iran/Syria? :angel:


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difference between african and asiatic subspecies of lion:

Asiatic vs. African Lions

There is only one species of lion: Panthera leo. The Asiatic lion is just one of many subspecies, all of which have been geographically isolated from one another for thousands of years. Though they all possess slightly different physical and even behavioral traits, they are still capable of interbreeding and producing viable offspring. The following is a list of all the known lion subspecies, both living and extinct.

Angola Lion (P.l. bleyenberghi) (Zimbabwe, Angola and Zaire)

Asiatic Lion (P.l. persica) (Gir Forest Sanctuary in Northwest India)

Barbary or Atlas Lion (P.l. leo) (North Africa; extinct in 1920 but may exist in captivity)

Cape Lion (P.l. melanochaitus) (South Africa's Cape Province; extinct in 1850 but may exist in captivity)

Masai Lion (P.l. massaicus) (Eastern Africa, notably Kenya and Tanzania)

Senegalese Lion (P.l. senegalensis) (Western Africa)

Transvaal or South African Lion (P.l. kruegri) (Botswana, Nambia and South Africa)

Asiatic and African lions separated as recently as 100,000 years ago, and are thus very close in genetic make-up. In fact, the differences between the two are less than those found between different human racial groups. However, the differences are significant enough that one can tell the difference between an Asiatic and an African lion if they know what to look for.

SIZE

Asiatic Lion


Asiatic lions tend to be smaller than their African cousins. Adult males typically weigh between 350 and 420 pounds, while adult females weigh between 240 and 365 pounds. The largest Asiatic lion on record measured 9½ feet from the tip of its nose to the tip of its tail.

African Lion

African lions are larger than Asiatic lions. Adult males average between 330 and 500 pounds in weight, with most weighing around 410 pounds. The largest African lion on record weighed over 800 pounds. Females typically weigh the same as their Asiatic cousins. The longest African lion measured almost 11 feet from nose to tail tip.

MANE

Asiatic Lion


Compared to the African lion, the male Asiatic lion has a relatively short, sparse mane. As a result, the male Asiatic lion's ears tend to remain visible at all times. In addition to being less well-developed, the mane is generally darker than that of African lions.

African Lion

Male African lions tend to have longer and fuller manes than their Asiatic cousins. A lion's mane is a signal of male condition. It allows other lions to assess the male's overall strength and fitness. A male with a long, dark mane is more intimidating to his rivals and more attractive to the opposite sex.

TUFTS

Asiatic Lion


Asiatic lions have thicker elbow tufts and a longer tail tuft than African lions. The tail tuft covers a short spine, the function of which is unknown.

African Lion

African lions have relatively sparse elbow tufts and a shorter tail tuft than Asiatic lions

SKIN FOLD

Asiatic Lion


Other than the male's sparse mane, the most distinguishing characteristic of the Asiatic lion is a longitudinal fold of skin that runs along the belly. This trait is found in all Asiatic lions.

African Lion

One can quickly tell an Asiatic from an African lion by looking at its belly. Almost all African lions lack the longitudinal fold of skin that runs along the belly of Asiatic lions.

SKULL

Asiatic Lion


If you're ever tasked with finding out whether a lion is Asiatic or African based on its skull alone, here's a tip. Around 50 percent of Asiatic lions have what are called bifurcated infraorbital foramina. These are small holes in the skull that allow nerves and blood vessels to pass to the eye. If a lion's skull has two of these, it's an Asiatic lion.

African Lion

For whatever reason, African lions only have one infraorbital foramen. Their eyesight is just as strong as the Asiatic lion's, so there's no particular benefit to having two infraorbital foramina versus just one.

PRIDE SIZE

Asiatic Lion


Just like African lions, Asiatic lions are highly sociable and live in social units called prides. However, Asiatic prides tend to be smaller than their African counterparts. The largest recorded Asiatic pride included five adult females, but most just have two adult females. This may be because the animals they prey on are relatively small, or because their range in the Gir Forest is so confined. (It should be noted that further field studies may show that what were thought to be small prides are actually just small foraging groups from larger prides.)

African Lion

Like Asiatic lions, African lions live in social units called prides. This behavior is unique among cats, as all other feline species are solitary. In Africa, these prides include an average of four to six females, their cubs and one to four male lions. The faster, more agile females do the hunting while the larger male lions patrol and defend the pride's territory. The females in a pride usually give birth at the same time and raise their cubs together in a crèche, or nursery.

MALE SOCIABILITY

Asiatic Lion


Unlike African lions, male Asiatic lions do not live in prides. In fact, they tend to only associate with female lions when mating or at large kills. Otherwise, they live alone or in partnership with another male lion. These partnerships allow male Asiatic lions to control larger territories and more easily scare off rival males.

African Lion

In Africa, every lion pride has a resident male or group of males, which defend their prides vigorously against other males. Pride takeovers occur every two years, during which the suckling cubs of the defeated males are killed. This ensures that the new male will pass along his genes.

PREY SIZE

Asiatic Lion


The prey animals in the Gir Forest are generally smaller than those in Africa, so hunting groups tend to be smaller as well. This likely explains why pride size is so small. The most commonly taken prey species in the Gir Forest is the chital deer, which weighs only around 110 pounds. These account for around 45 percent of known kills.

African Lion

The prey aniamls of the African savanna tend to be larger than those in the Gir Forest of Northwest India. African lions will frequently tackle prey weighing as much as 600 to 800 pounds, such as wildebeest and zebra, and will occasionally take down African buffalo, which weigh between 1,000 and 2,000 pounds. This requires cooperative hunting techniques, which may explain why African lions live in larger prides.


 
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These Lions are part of history, they are in Greek, Romans, and others civilization.
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Its really risky to have all lions at one place, which is why they are sending some to MP. Suitable natural habitat needs to be identified before moving them to pakistan/iran.
 
there is still so much pouching, there is wildlife in balochistan which is under severe threat, the government has not devised plans to stop pouching even though by law these pouching areas have been declared conservation areas
 
any chance when the population increases over a thousand or so, that gov of India could help re-establish their historic range by sending a few to Pakistan and Iran/Syria? :angel:

For decades there are plans of creating one more sanctuary for these lions in Madhya Pradesh, but the Gujarat government in extremely parochial fashion has refused to part with some prides of these lions saying they are state heritage (WTF!).

The case had been going on for decades and recently the high court has rejected Gujarat govt's ridiculous claim. However Gujarat govt will surely go to supreme court.

All this is for a transfer within india. So NO any transfers out of india are NOT happening.

BTW conservation record of pakistan govt is pretty poor.
 
For decades there are plans of creating one more sanctuary for these lions in Madhya Pradesh, but the Gujarat government in extremely parochial fashion has refused to part with some prides of these lions saying they are state heritage (WTF!).

The case had been going on for decades and recently the high court has rejected Gujarat govt's ridiculous claim. However Gujarat govt will surely go to supreme court.

All this is for a transfer within india. So NO any transfers out of india are NOT happening.

BTW conservation record of pakistan govt is pretty poor.

I'm sure it'll be sorted out eventually. over time and with maturity the government would realize its wiser to have population spread out over the region. even if its greed on their part, saner voices would probably overcome it in the interest of the asiatic lion population flourishing to a healthy level. same thing with sending some cubs & adults outside your country. having the former range re-established would be a goal of wider society and scientific community regardless of borders, so I'm not too worried about jingoistic nationalism clouding common sense to that extent in future.

w.r.t to our conservation record, thats not entirely true. at the societal level Pakistanis do their utmost to save endangered species where and when possible. there is a recent example of the rare leatherback turtle caught in fishing nets off our coast. they were promptly beached and carefully rescued to be released into ocean, with a concerted conservation effort under way to protect them, all by common people and NGOs not government. Link

but that points to an unfortunate problem, namely that governments til today have been quite ignorant of nature conservation and protection measures across the board. hopefully this will change with the transfer of power soon, at least I'm quite sure it will. see some of the projects to save priority species by civil society and non profits.
 
I'm sure it'll be sorted out eventually. over time and with maturity the government would realize its wiser to have population spread out over the region. even if its greed on their part, saner voices would probably overcome it in the interest of the asiatic lion population flourishing to a healthy level. same thing with sending some cubs & adults outside your country. having the former range re-established would be a goal of wider society and scientific community regardless of borders, so I'm not too worried about jingoistic nationalism clouding common sense to that extent in future.

w.r.t to our conservation record, thats not entirely true. at the societal level Pakistanis do their utmost to save endangered species where and when possible. there is a recent example of the rare leatherback turtle caught in fishing nets off our coast. they were promptly beached and carefully rescued to be released into ocean, with a concerted conservation effort under way to protect them, all by common people and NGOs not government. Link

but that points to an unfortunate problem, namely that governments til today have been quite ignorant of nature conservation and protection measures across the board. hopefully this will change with the transfer of power soon, at least I'm quite sure it will. see some of the projects to save priority species by civil society and non profits.

I meant govt efforts. Hope things improve.

The long term goal should be all former habitat, but that's idealistic and too far into future.
 
Yeah give endangered Lions to Pakistan so that they can invite Arab sheikhs to hunt them down. No thank you.

Or worse yet, it might end up being the pet lion of the "strongest man" of Lahore, Billa.

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Yeah give endangered Lions to Pakistan so that they can invite Arab sheikhs to hunt them down. No thank you.

Or worse yet, it might end up being the pet lion of the "strongest man" of Lahore, Billa.

down vote :tdown:

your cynicism doesnt help. which country hasn't made mistakes or doesn't have a blotch on conservation record of the past? theres probably dozens of cases where Indians were caught as middlemen in the poaching-smuggling trade of rhinos, elephants and tigers. thats been going on for several decades but do you see me casting the blame on all Indians? I give credit where credit is due and try to focus on the positives.

btw I think those were african lions. highly condemnable and pathetic in any case. they should be freed, resettlemed in familiar habitat/reserve, and the culprits responsible put in jail. but please get out of this bug brain, childish mentality. its unnecessary and over-generalizing to the extent of damned near stupidity.
 
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Sorry, buddy, can't see the entire video and read about it.

Anyways, Its damn tough to do this.

My dad was posted at one sanctuary where tigers were shifted from another national park. So, it is really hard process and Indian govt. or let me be more generalized, Indian sub continent govt.s are not that good at such efforts.

Forest officers often get death threats from poachers and other selfish parties. Dad has received many. Look at the case of Veerapan and deaths of how many Forest officers he was responsible of.

Convincing villagers living nearby these sanctuaries is also a tough task.

Project Tiger initiated by GOI was a good project. It has given good dividends. But corruption is a major issue here too.

Wildlife sanctuaries brings huge tourism.
 
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Saw one Asiatic Lion in Edinburgh Zoo sent over there by Gujarat govt as a goodwill gesture. Beautiful create to say the least

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