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Larry Summers: Beware of China and India

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Everyone from Wall Street to the CIA expects that China and India will keep growing at lightning speed.
These Asian giants are global economic powerhouses, offsetting weak growth in many developed economies like Europe.
But Larry Summers warns it's no slam dunk that China and India will continue with their red-hot growth. In fact, history suggests otherwise.

Here's why Summers and Pritchett are a lot more cautious than most economists:
1. Don't ignore history: By analyzing the records of dozens of countries, Summers and Pritchett make the case that great growth is typically followed by "meh" growth.
They use the example of a baseball slugger who has a hot streak for 20 at bats, which boosts his batting average by 50 points. The hot streak looks good on SportsCenter, but baseball fans still know he'll return to his average over the next 20 at bats.
In economic jargon, that phenomenon is known as "regression to the mean" -- and it's quite powerful.
Economic forecasters too often rely on a country's recent growth record to predict the future, instead of accounting for this tendency to return to the average.
When it comes to economic growth, Summers and Pritchett argue that "past performance is no guarantee of future performance." That's the same warning investment banks give clients about stock returns.

If the rapid growth does stop, the economists' work suggests "declines are more likely to be sudden and large than gradual and small."

2. We stink at predicting the future: Major economic events are rarely predicted with any accuracy. Just look at the 2008 meltdown.
The financial crisis shows how "risks of downside scenarios are often very vastly underestimated, just as the fragility in systems is underestimated," the paper said.
The authors also note that a 1961 textbook predicted the USSR would overtake the U.S. economically by the 1980s. Instead, the USSR crumbled.
China is probably due to take a breather, given that it's been going gangbusters since 1977. In fact, it may be the only 32-year streak of super-rapid growth "in the history of mankind," Summers and Pritchett wrote.
3. Politics: If China moves towards democracy, it could be very messy for the country's economy.
According to the paper, nearly every country that transitioned to a democracy following a period of strong growth suffered a sharp slowdownover the next 10 years.
"We are pointing out the very dangerous shoals through which the Chinese economy is currently sailing very rapidly," they wrote, while cautioning that they are not predicting a major more towards democracy.

The difference between the bullish and this more conservative forecast for China and India is a whopping $42 trillion. And that impact is even bigger when you consider how much China and India impact global demand for resources like oil and metals.

Larry Summers: Beware of China and India - Oct. 27, 2014
 
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China is probably due to take a breather, given that it's been going gangbusters since 1977.

In fact, it may be the only 32-year streak of super-rapid growth "in the history of mankind," Summers and Pritchett wrote.

When China achieved 1 decade of double-digit growth, everyone said it was impossible to continue at that pace.

When China achieved 2 decades of double-digit growth, people said it couldn't be true, it had never been done before in recorded human history.

When China achieved 3 decades of double-digit growth... well you know the rest.

Go back in history and check all the predictions of China's economy, even the most optimistic ones fell short of reality in hindsight. We always beat their predictions.
 
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Western media peddling gibberish as usual . Wait for decade China will overtake US and wait for another decade and India too will be within comparable reach of US economy. Provided there is no major war in Asia , which is more or less guaranteed by three nuke powers in the region.
 
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i know...it is only allowed for china :lol:

You're right. We've been doing it all wrong. We should use PPP for everything so India looks better, regardless of how far off from reality it is. I mean, who wouldn't trade a train ride in the US with a train ride in India? According to PPP, they're both train rides and therefore 50 bucks in the US is the equivalent of 2 Indian rupees.

On one train, you get to ride in a plush air conditioned cabin with your own seat, ample leg room, Wi-Fi, and a restaurant car. On the other, you ride on the roof and have to watch out for low hanging wires that might decapitate you, unless the other 500 people riding on the roof of a fully loaded train car meant for 50 kick you off first.

But according to PPP, it's the same thing. A train ride is a train ride.

Don't you see? If we use PPP (aka monopoly money), then India's economy is already the 3rd largest in the world and not actually 1/5th the size of China. As the world's largest arms importer, I'm sure the Russians, Europeans, and Americans accept Indian PPP instead of cold hard cash. I'm sure the Russians will accept Indian PPP for their gas too. Oh wait...they don't. No one does. How silly of me.

In the two years from 2011 to 2013, India's GDP actually shrunk.

Whereas in the two years from 2011 to 2013, China's GDP increased by over 2 trillion (which is more than India's total GDP).

The IMF numbers are here:

List of IMF ranked countries by past and projected GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

By the way, that's insane how China added an entire India, economically, in two years.
 
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By the way, that's insane how China added an entire India, economically, in two years.

What's more insane is that India's "soaring" and "soon-to-be-superpower" economy has actually been shrinking according to the data from the last two years.

They keep saying that "India is closing the gap with China", but that's simply not true, according to basic math.
 
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What's more insane is that India's "soaring" and "soon-to-be-superpower" economy has actually been shrinking according to the data from the last two years.

They keep saying that "India is closing the gap with China", but that's simply not true, according to basic math.

I don't know which official authority said that we are closing the gap but if said then its a load of BS.

And there are analist dime a dozen in India as they are on PDF.

Prev. govt. hurt our economy bad by putting important projects on hold and doling out money for social un-sustainable programs.
 
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you know why..PDF has taught you, no ?

Sure, I know "why".

It's because the Indian currency dropped from 39 a few years ago, to the current 61.

Which has had an enormous negative impact on India's buying power.

and why that no longer applies..PDF has taught you that too, yes ?

It still applies. I just checked, your currency is still at 61.
 
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You're right. We've been doing it all wrong. We should use PPP for everything so India looks better, regardless of how far off from reality it is. I mean, who wouldn't trade a train ride in the US with a train ride in India? According to PPP, they're both train rides and therefore 50 bucks in the US is the equivalent of 2 Indian rupees.

On one train, you get to ride in a plush air conditioned cabin with your own seat, ample leg room, Wi-Fi, and a restaurant car. On the other, you ride on the roof and have to watch out for low hanging wires that might decapitate you, unless the other 500 people riding on the roof of a fully loaded train car meant for 50 kick you off first.

But according to PPP, it's the same thing. A train ride is a train ride.

Don't you see? If we use PPP (aka monopoly money), then India's economy is already the 3rd largest in the world and not actually 1/5th the size of China. As the world's largest arms importer, I'm sure the Russians, Europeans, and Americans accept Indian PPP instead of cold hard cash. I'm sure the Russians will accept Indian PPP for their gas too. Oh wait...they don't. No one does. How silly of me.



By the way, that's insane how China added an entire India, economically, in two years.

says the man of a country not free to go against the party line. freedom is a concept chinese are incapable of understanding.

there is a reason why the noveu rich are leaving china at the first instance they can after bribing enough people at enough places ! :lol:

i would rather have people riding trains in freedom than well fed slaves parroting the party lines from a 50 cent poster..anyday ! :lol:

and by the way, do it PPP, GPP, PDP, any way you want...it cant measure what matters to us.

Sure, I know "why".

It's because the Indian currency dropped from 39 a few years ago, to the current 61.

Which has had an enormous negative impact on India's buying power.



It still applies. I just checked, your currency is still at 61.

and "why" that happened ? because of MMS and congress.

why is the rupee at 60ish ? RBI policy. no strengthening the rupee till the economy can support it. not the other way around.

talking of devalued currency, how exactly did u think china gathered around 3 trillion dollars ????

by devalueing it's currency.
 
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and "why" that happened ? because of MMS and congress.

why is the rupee at 60ish ? RBI policy. no strengthening the rupee till the economy can support it. not the other way around.

talking of devalued currency, how exactly did u think china gathered around 3 trillion dollars ????

by devalueing it's currency.

What, do you mean our $4 trillion currency reserves?

Anyway, the Chinese Yuan is hitting record highs against the USD all the time:

China Yuan Hits Record High Against the Dollar - WSJ

Higher currency means more buying power, and that's necessary for our current economic shift towards consumption.
 
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What, do you mean our $4 trillion currency reserves?

Anyway, the Chinese Yuan is hitting record highs against the USD all the time:

China Yuan Hits Record High Against the Dollar - WSJ

Higher currency means more buying power, and that's necessary for our current economic shift towards consumption.

yeah..but that's now ! take a look at a 10 year graph for yuan against dollar, you will see the forceful devaluation to get the maximum out of a dollar !! all developing economies do it. common stuff !!!!!!!
 
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