KSA uses Iranophobia to stop pro-democracy protests: Expert

[raptor22]

KSA doesn't need democracy as long as it is rich and can provide for it's citizens. Iran should stop supporting terrorists against GCC and Israel.

You mean bribe them?

 

[Silverblaze]

As far as your Pakistani nationality is concerned then I asked it after reading your posts in another thread , and as far as siding with oppressor is concerned then you are already siding with them .. Here the question is not of believing whatever have been reported , but believing in at least which make some sense . You are crying on not taking stance against Iraq Invasion , Do you know how poorly Saddam had ruled Iraq? Even Iraqis were against him and many of them theirselves had sided with U.S then how come any other country's interference had been considered a positive step at then ?

Why do you people assume that if someone condemns Iraqi invasion, he/she has to be Saddam's pet? Saddam was an idiot, but US killed 1 million people there.

If poor governance of Sadam was the reason of invasion, Pakistan should be invaded ten times.

Now what makes sense is interference. How do we feel about Mukti Bahini? Yes Pakistani idiot generals discriminated against the Bengalis severely and yes they killed many of them, but what right did India have to sponsor terrorists and exercise interference?

Similarly, do not arm syrian rebels like you did with Libya and Afghanistan. I care about the Syrian people who are being killed by the govt forces and even more by the rebels because when they do not side with them they kill them by accusing them of being pro assad.

 

[Syrian Lion]

KSA doesn't need democracy as long as it is rich and can provide for it's citizens.

Syria doesn't need democracy then.... 4 new oil fields in Syria, only 4 FIELDS... can produce the same as Kuwait..
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...-reason-destroying-syria-natural-gas-oil.html

Double Standard much!

 

[ResurgentIran]

You all have to understand that foreign powers have used the old rule of "divide and conquer" to suck the blood out of this region. Whether its Iranian vs Arab or Shia vs Sunni. They do everything in they can to pit countries against each other, so the area will be easier for them to dominate.
And that is what these Saudi rules are. They are pawns of Western Imperialism and Zionism (working hand in hand).
And unfortunately there are still significant portion of citizens in GCC who fall into the trap, because their opinions are afterall mostly a product of what their media tells them. Those have not stepped out of the box yet, and try to assert some independent rational thinking.

I see great efforts by Iran to bridge the gap with its Arab/Sunni neighbours. Its not the same country as it was in 1980, where Khomeini indeed wanted to export the revolution. Iran has grown up, become more pragmatic and let go of such things.
Just look at the warming ties between Iran and Egypt. We are resuming direct flights, and eventually we will resume trade ties. We see the same with Iran's eastern neighbour Pakistan. I hope these relations flourish, because it could be a chain reaction for better ties with other regional countries.
Moreover, Iran has offered to give expertise to the GCC countries in the field of nuclear technology, nanotechnology and other academic exchange.
The more Iran expands it relations with Sunni countries such as Egypt, the more I think the people will start to challenge the legitimacy of the whole "the big bad shiite Iran" pretext.

This countries of this region needs to come to terms with one another, so we can move forward. Inshallah

 

[King Solomon]

An important reason GCC countries are successful is because they are more like US petrol stations.

This is a lame argument of those who hate Arabs - that Arabs got rich because of oil.

They're ignorant of the fact that just about every major power, including US and Russia, got rich because of oil, gas and other natural resources.

Russia's oil dependency is well known. Not many know that US's rise as a superpower started with it striking black gold in Texas back in 1901 - Google "spindletop" and get educated. Democracy, freedom, rule of law, civil rights and all other gimmicks took a century to come by.

Arabs have comparative advantage at producing oil, in other words, they're better at it. So they'll continue to produce it. Just like switzerland is better at watches, india for agriculture, taiwan for electronics and so on.

 

[mohsen]

not just Iran, even sending troops to Syria is to misdirect peoples attention from corrupted regime in Saudi Arabia.

the following video is best proof:

this Israel's poppet talks about stealing of Syrian wealth by Bashar Asad, while Asad only has salary as a president, he totally ignores dictators in Saudi Arabia, building luxurious palaces, buying golden airplanes,... while at the same time many people in Saudi Arabia are living in poverty.
he accuses Asad army of raping women in Syria, yet the whole world knows this is exactly the opposite.
then again he accuses Iran and Hezbollah for supporting Asad, while nobody has brought a single proof of that, and at the same time sending Western Arms to terrorist in Syria is official, sending weapons and terrorists from Saudi Arabia and the rest of Arab dictatorships to Syria is official.

I can't find any better example for this thread than this video.

 

[MooshMoosh]

Ok Iranians if you want to conquer Saudi Arabia and replace it to democracy then you must take down Egypt, Turkey, Yemen, Oman, Jordan, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Indonesia, Malaysia, UAE, Sudan and or maybe Pakistan. Go ahead, if you suceed the mission, then congratulations Saudi Arabia is yours

 

[agentny17]

Ok Iranians if you want to conquer Saudi Arabia and replace it to democracy then you must take down Egypt, Turkey, Yemen, Oman, Jordan, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Indonesia, Malaysia, UAE, Sudan and or maybe Pakistan. Go ahead, if you suceed the mission, then congratulations Saudi Arabia is yours

Why would Iran attack Saudi Arabia ? If i remeber correctly, it was Iraq that atttacked Iran in the 80's for no known reason. Most Arabic countries supported Iraq and it was not too long until Sadam attacked his Arabic neighbours. Normal people tend to learn from their mistakes. It is not smart to create an enemy for short term gains like keeping your throne, ect...

 

[ResurgentIran]

 

[Serpentine]

Ok Iranians if you want to conquer Saudi Arabia and replace it to democracy then you must take down Egypt, Turkey, Yemen, Oman, Jordan, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Indonesia, Malaysia, UAE, Sudan and or maybe Pakistan. Go ahead, if you suceed the mission, then congratulations Saudi Arabia is yours

Sir, we have enough deserts, we are not interested to conquer another vast desert.but thanks for your caution.
No one talked about attacking SA, the thread is about how SA and Arab countries blame Iran for almost all of their failures.

 

[MooshMoosh]

Oh really, do you know what the Iranian regime wants exactly? They wanted to revive the Persian Empire which used to cover the region in the Gulf before the Byzantines defeated the Persians. They also wanted revenge from Umar Ibn Khattab, firstly they were not happy about Umar being a caliph who was not from Prophet Muhammad(pubh) family and wanted Ali to be a caliph. Secondly, Umar was the leader who destroyed the Persian Empire and conquered the land. The Iranians are building nukes in order to regain the region. Why are they interfering the region then? Saudi Arabia warned them not to interfere but the Iranians never listen. They are destroying themselve and without a doubt if Assad falls, there will be another Persian Gulf War. I'm sick of Iranians, they are destroying Lebanon with Hezbollah, they are destroying Syria, Egypt, Yemen and all over the region. Get outta here and 95% of the Arabs are Anti Iranians. Those 5% are Shia. Well I'm not an Anti Iranian because I know most Iranians hates their governments because lack of freedom. In the first Persian Gulf War, some Iranian opposition were actually in Saddam Iraq's side like Massoud Rajavi who formed an Iranian opposition force.

 

[Doritos11]

Oh really, do you know what the Iranian regime wants exactly? They wanted to revive the Persian Empire which used to cover the region in the Gulf before the Byzantines defeated the Persians. They also wanted revenge from Umar Ibn Khattab, firstly they were not happy about Umar being a caliph who was not from Prophet Muhammad(pubh) family and wanted Ali to be a caliph. Secondly, Umar was the leader who destroyed the Persian Empire and conquered the land. The Iranians are building nukes in order to regain the region. Why are they interfering the region then? Saudi Arabia warned them not to interfere but the Iranians never listen. They are destroying themselve and without a doubt if Assad falls, there will be another Persian Gulf War. I'm sick of Iranians, they are destroying Lebanon with Hezbollah, they are destroying Syria, Egypt, Yemen and all over the region. Get outta here and 95% of the Arabs are Anti Iranians. Those 5% are Shia. Well I'm not an Anti Iranian because I know most Iranians hates their governments because lack of freedom. In the first Persian Gulf War, some Iranian opposition were actually in Saddam Iraq's side like Massoud Rajavi who formed an Iranian opposition force.

Persian gulf ?
Explain since your anti shia, anti persia.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Ok I stopped reading there where the bolded part. The mulla is so desperate doesn't know from where it hits. His boy has gone and now is his turn.

You could have asked this question, What did the Iranian regime do when the green revolution was resurrected once more back in 2009? ,Well, presumably we all know the 1979 was a genuine uprising against the Shah ,then Why did they crush the 2009 one? The answer is simple, the so called Islamic Republic was under threat. In other word, the Iranians tend to be more secular ,unlike their ARAB neighbors ,and the Mullahs don't like this interpretation Beside, they are the master race in the middle east LooLz.

If true its great news

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God is great!

With all due respect, but if you believe everything PreesTv says ,then you should also take for granted the fact that Echinoderms dwell in the empty quarter.

btw, i am not in favour of democracy in KSA, but in favour of fair participation of KSA in Muslim world's geopolitics. This post may count in false move on chess. KSA is most important for us because of holy places and we don't want any kind of war games there so KSA shouldn't kill Muslims by supporting Syrian rebels because of other sectarian government after all "ALL MUSLIMS". They all can manage to unite in Doha against Syria but has no willing to do so in favour of Myanmar Muslims.

Sorry brudder, but go back in the timeline ,and you will see that the AL asked them to withdraw their tanks from the streets as soon as the News was aired. We managed to keep the tongue in the mouth for ~3 months ,However Assad kept slaughtering Syrians and continuing to do so ,why the devil are we purchasing these Typhoons for? If I had my druthers, I will bomb the demons out of his regime 4 good. Plus, We are assisting our Muslims in Myanmar and an ultimatum by many COUNTRIES was give too.

KSA doesn't need democracy as long as it is rich and can provide for it's citizens. Iran should stop supporting terrorists against GCC and Israel.

May I add one thing more? Iran knows better than anyone else that the continuation of such approach won't get them anywhere ,but down under, YOU know what I mean?
Plus, Democracy is more or less is unnecessary for us ,as long as the Governments can offered the cheese to their nations i.e. If you think the mess in Bahrain is natural then you and I may need to talk in private. The Iranian regime has blood in its hands when it comes to Bahrain and other states in the ME.

Why do you assume that people who do not like your foreign policies are Iranian regime's supporters?

I respect your way of life, but your country has interfered in many countries. US destroyed Iraq and its now destroying Syria and your country, let me say it nicely, has not been against it.

Iran exercises far less influence than Saudi Arabia and other GCC; therefore, you have a greater responsibility.

Apparently you watch PressTv too much. The GCC isn't supporting the Syrian rebels for the sake of democracy, but rather for the sake of defending themselves ,and to flush the Iranian influence away ,Also Saudi and Turkey opposed the invasion of Iraq ,and if anything ,God forbids, bad happens to Pakistan, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to save the Republic.

One thing is fore sure; the whole region is scared by Iran. Turkey is forging an deal with the Kurds + Israel, the Persian Gulf countries who are protected by the US + of course the role of NATO in the region. And while they are keep buying western military equipment as if it is water, Iran manages to 'take over' countries by establishing relatively small, yet powerful proxies.

Congrats! Let's see who's going to win at the end.

You mean bribe them?

Democracy = Hypocrisy , More money = More problem

^ 1st world problem LoooL

You all have to understand that foreign powers have used the old rule of "divide and conquer" to suck the blood out of this region. Whether its Iranian vs Arab or Shia vs Sunni. They do everything in they can to pit countries against each other, so the area will be easier for them to dominate.
And that is what these Saudi rules are. They are pawns of Western Imperialism and Zionism (working hand in hand).
And unfortunately there are still significant portion of citizens in GCC who fall into the trap, because their opinions are afterall mostly a product of what their media tells them. Those have not stepped out of the box yet, and try to assert some independent rational thinking.

I see great efforts by Iran to bridge the gap with its Arab/Sunni neighbours. Its not the same country as it was in 1980, where Khomeini indeed wanted to export the revolution. Iran has grown up, become more pragmatic and let go of such things.
Just look at the warming ties between Iran and Egypt. We are resuming direct flights, and eventually we will resume trade ties. We see the same with Iran's eastern neighbour Pakistan. I hope these relations flourish, because it could be a chain reaction for better ties with other regional countries.
Moreover, Iran has offered to give expertise to the GCC countries in the field of nuclear technology, nanotechnology and other academic exchange.
The more Iran expands it relations with Sunni countries such as Egypt, the more I think the people will start to challenge the legitimacy of the whole "the big bad shiite Iran" pretext.

This countries of this region needs to come to terms with one another, so we can move forward. Inshallah

I wish one day we and Iran come to an agreement ,but Stalin didn't build the USSR by lying down under a bed of roses ,there's a blood.

This is a lame argument of those who hate Arabs - that Arabs got rich because of oil.

They're ignorant of the fact that just about every major power, including US and Russia, got rich because of oil, gas and other natural resources.

Russia's oil dependency is well known. Not many know that US's rise as a superpower started with it striking black gold in Texas back in 1901 - Google "spindletop" and get educated. Democracy, freedom, rule of law, civil rights and all other gimmicks took a century to come by.

Arabs have comparative advantage at producing oil, in other words, they're better at it. So they'll continue to produce it. Just like switzerland is better at watches, india for agriculture, taiwan for electronics and so on.

You also might add that Arabs so far have never been as aggressive as you know who ...

Ok Iranians if you want to conquer Saudi Arabia and replace it to democracy then you must take down Egypt, Turkey, Yemen, Oman, Jordan, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Indonesia, Malaysia, UAE, Sudan and or maybe Pakistan. Go ahead, if you suceed the mission, then congratulations Saudi Arabia is yours

This Gentleman knows what's talking about. It goes with out saying that the Iranian regime has always wanted to take over Mecca and Medina ,and here comes this brave Egyptian exposing their plan

Sir, we have enough deserts, we are not interested to conquer another vast desert.but thanks for your caution.
No one talked about attacking SA, the thread is about how SA and Arab countries blame Iran for almost all of their failures.

Thanks for making the air clear more and more. Iran thinks with their nuke they can take us down ,but they certainly are unaware of the big things in store we got.

It NOT an Iranophopia it's Iranorealism.

Kai Kai Thnx Bai

 

[Silverblaze]

[QUOTE = King Solomon;4114260]This is a lame argument of those who hate Arabs - that Arabs got rich because of oil. [/QUOTE]

How can you accuse me of this? Is criticizing foriegn policies wrong? Arabs have my utmost respect, but thier pro US policies is what I do not agree with it.

If one analyze as to why Arabs have not been united is because of their foriegn policy which is dividing them.

 

[iajj]

btw, i am not in favour of democracy in KSA, but in favour of fair participation of KSA in Muslim world's geopolitics. This post may count in false move on chess. KSA is most important for us because of holy places and we don't want any kind of war games there so KSA shouldn't kill Muslims by supporting Syrian rebels because of other sectarian government after all "ALL MUSLIMS". They all can manage to unite in Doha against Syria but has no willing to do so in favour of Myanmar Muslims.

this is where you will be wrong: you might think to protect islam's holiest sites entails saudis disengage from realpolitik games and gambles. but the saudi royalists saw their monarchy and their military alliance with anglosaxons and jews against other muslim military powers all part of the job description they gave themselves as guardians of islam's holy sites.

in other words, those royalists have long equated the defense of islam and the defense of their feudal instititons and unfair riches: the two goals are completely identical for them (they may sincerely believe in the continuity of the goals of guarding islam and guarding military primacy of saudi arabia in the middle east except for their diplomatic and strategic deference to non-muslims like anglosaxons and jews who seem to saudis to take no interest in a regime change in saudi or vying for saudis' conservatorship of islamic holy sites.

and i must say that the saudis' logic is deathly to islam, for how often conspirators stage a coup d'etat in the name of the state? and how often conspirators overthrow a democracy in the name of preserving it? if we turn saudis' conservatorship of religious sites into an absolute, i can imagine a scenario in which saudis' jealousy of their conservatorship of islam will overwhelm and eclipse their devotion to islam, which means saudis will find the self-justification necessary to convince themselves that it is okay to sell out mecca to jews and anglosaxons as long as the latter help the monarchists fend off persian power abroad and shiite challenge at home.

we can say that the moment a person, or a group of persons, took the job of guarding a religion into his own hands, he has already doomed his religion. because one day he must choose between guarding the religion and guarding his guardianship of the religion - and he will choose the latter, like what the saudis are doing right now. no religion can survive the incompetence, pettiness and hubris of its guardians; above all, islam cannot survive the mad, mad jealousy of saudis.

i predict a lot of bad stuff for islam, for muslims around the world for as long as saudis and their institutions exist.