KFX/IFX News and Development

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[Indos]

Certainly. Rafale is inherently lighter and M88 consumes less fuel of being less powerful than F414. Hence, advertised ferry range of Rafale was said to be 3,700km (vs 2,900km of KF-21) when it was suggested to Indian Air Force.

However, it also means KF-21 is probably better in acceleration & maneuverability (for having a significantly better T/W ratio) though I am not sure it does mean much as almost all air combats are conducted in BVR.

I believe with the development of ECM (Electronic Countermeasure), maneuverability is very important, and I believe it is one of the reason the designer make the plane quite maneuverable and officially said KF-21 is better than F 35 in this aspect.

 

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[CountStrike]

English Version for KF 21 Opening Ceremony

 

[Ali_Baba]

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Wow - did not realise it was so close in its approach to the F22 !!!!

 

[Indos]

Wow - did not realise it was so close in its approach to the F22 !!!!

It will likely have distictive design if the design team in the first phase of development that started in 2011 chooses canard design plane as they have been considering and examining quite long as well the canard design.

 

[Whizzack]

It will likely have distictive design if the design team in the first phase of development that started in 2011 chooses canard design plane as they have been considering and examining quite long as well the canard design.

In that case we'll end up having a baby J-20 instead of a baby F-22...

The C100 basic design was selected to be developed into the KF-21

 

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[Indos]

This news from Korea told that Indonesian engineers will go back to Korea soon inshaAllah.


S. Korea, Indonesia to soon resume fighter jet negotiations: official

09:00 April 16, 2021


SEOUL, April 16 (Yonhap) -- South Korea and Indonesia will soon resume talks about their joint fighter jet development project, an official said, after Indonesia's defense minister attended the jet's prototype unveiling ceremony in a show of commitment to the project.

Indonesia is a partner for the 8.8 trillion won (US$7.9 billion) project, called IF-X in the country, but doubts have grown over Jakarta's commitment to the joint program after the Southeast Asian country stopped making payments for the 20 percent of the total development cost it had promised to shoulder.

Last week, Indonesian Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto visited South Korea to attend the unveiling ceremony of a prototype of the fighter jet. His attendance was seen as meaning that Jakarta remains committed to the project.

"When the minister visited, we have agreed to promptly push ahead with the negotiations at the working-level," an arms procurement agency official said.

The two countries launched negotiations on the fighter jet project in 2018 after Indonesian President Joko Widodo sought to adjust his country's burden, citing financial difficulties. They last held negotiations in September 2020.

This photo taken April 9, 2021, shows South Korea's first prototype of the next-generation KF-X fighter, officially dubbed KF-21 Boramae, being revealed at the Korea Aerospace Industries Co. facility in Sacheon, South Gyeongsang Province, southeastern South Korea. (Yonhap)
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"To an extent our budget allows, we will have to negotiate their payment schedule. Those issues are all on the table for discussions, and our government's stance is to push ahead to promptly come up with a deal," the official told reporters on condition of anonymity.

The official denied Indonesia demanded a cut in its contribution during Prabowo's visit, but the Indonesian minister asked for South Korea's support for a food estate program that he leads.

"The size, as well as whether the support will be provided in the form of a loan or a G2G, B2B partnership will all have to be decided through consultations," the official said.

Indonesian engineers who had been participating in the development here returned home in March last year amid the coronavirus pandemic, but the Seoul official said they will come back soon as the two countries have agreed to go ahead with the joint program.

"Our plan is to have them back here by the second half of the year to normalize the business," he said. "After five rounds of negotiations, we are nearing an agreement to a certain extent."

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S. Korea, Indonesia to soon resume fighter jet negotiations: official | Yonhap News Agency

By Choi Soo-hyang SEOUL, April 16 (Yonhap) -- South Korea and Indonesia will soon resume...

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[Ali_Baba]

Given the size of the Indonesian economy, it is staggering they are having so many issues in financing their "20%" contribution to the project? How come?

 

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Given the size of the Indonesian economy, it is staggering they are having so many issues in financing their "20%" contribution to the project? How come?

It is because our current government has focus on economic development that give more impact on industrialization and infrastructure, our finance minister is also a woman that I think dont have much ambition on thing like this.

Jokowi administration will still disburse money for military project that requires much less money like MALE UCAV program but if the development cost is more than 100 million USD than this administration will have tendency not to fund it.

Even for high tech project that will potentially give much more return on investment (ROI) like N 245 and R 80 program, current administration is still reluctant to disburse money on the program. Despite of course around 114 Indonesian designers that previously work in KFX/IFX program make those two projects difficult to go ahead particularly during detail design phase that needs a lot of design engineers.

R 80 program is already passing PDR stage I believe and waiting funding for detail design phase and
prototyping

 

[Indos]

All major military acquisition rely on loan, buying from foreign source will be financed by the country who can provide affordable loan scheme and also buying equipment from local defense industry rely on domestic loan as well.

2020-2024 period

Break down for Air Force (domestic loan= local made defense equipment)

Foreign Loan ( Foreign equipment) for Air Force

Fighter only get 1.6 billion USD approval for 2020-2024, so only enough to buy 1 squadron of fighters (12-16 planes) until 2024.

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