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I don’t have doubts about SK/Indonesia’s ambition in developing their own fighter plane. However I do wonder how much they are willing and capable of spending on this program. Given F35 programs cost of USD 406b, it is probably going to be in the order of hundreds billions for another comparable program.

Why would anyone think they can spend less than US? Where can the saving come from? If any components are sourced from the existing vendors, they would need to recover at least some of thedevelopment cost it spent, won’t it?

F 35 program is rather more complicated than KFX so it is logical to have a very high cost of development. Do you know how much China spend on J 20 and J 31 ? I think it is more comparable when we compare KFX with J 31. I think if KFX doesnt have any problem during flight test and every thing is going in accordance with the design, the real cost will end up similar like the projected cost. InshaAllah.
 
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The Korea Fighter eXperimental Aircraft is to be indigenously developed and Hanwa System is to supply key onboard elements including AESA Radar, EOTGP (EO Targeting Pod), IRST (Infra Red Search and Tracking), SMC (Stores Management Computer), ACCS (Audio Communication Control System), MFD (Multi Function Display), MC (Mission Computer) and the RF Jammer.

https://m.hanwhasystems.com/eng/mbusiness/biz312.do

Its impossible to redesign and incorporate an internal weapon bay in block 2 from this current design. If so, essential it will be a new design.

Why not ? According to final design KFX is bigger than F 35, if F35 can have internal weapon bay why KFX cant? KFX block 2 maybe bigger than block 1 and can be as big as superhornet (it has similar engine) to get more space for weapon and oil for longer combat range.

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The Korea Fighter eXperimental Aircraft is to be indigenously developed and Hanwa System is to supply key onboard elements including AESA Radar, EOTGP (EO Targeting Pod), IRST (Infra Red Search and Tracking), SMC (Stores Management Computer), ACCS (Audio Communication Control System), MFD (Multi Function Display), MC (Mission Computer) and the RF Jammer.

https://m.hanwhasystems.com/eng/mbusiness/biz312.do



Why not ? According to final design KFX is bigger than F 35, if F35 can have internal weapon bay why KFX cant? KFX block 2 maybe bigger than block 1 and can be as big as superhornet (it has similar engine) to get more space for weapon and oil for longer combat range.

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You cannot do that when you didn't incorporate internal bay in the start. Those who say actually knows very little about aeronautical design. The whole balance and weight shift need to readjust. Not to mention need to consider reduced RCS.

It will be better to bring a new design with internal weapon bay.
 
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OR kfx is designed to have internal weapon bay, but for block I these space will be used for extra fuel tank. Block I have longer range but block II have the internal weapon bay.
 
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Thursday, March 7, 2019 | 09:51 WIB

Wiranto: Indonesia Continues to Develop KFX Combat Jets

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Coordinating Minister for Politics, Law and Security (Menko Polhukam) Wiranto. (Photo: BeritaSatu TV)

Jakarta, Beritasatu.com - Coordinating Minister for Politics, Law, Defense and Security (Polhukam), Wiranto held important talks with Korea's National Defense Minister Jeong Kyeong-Doo at the Korean Ministry of National Defense office in Seoul, South Korea on Wednesday ( 6/3).

The meeting in the context of a high-level meeting discussed the continuation of the cooperation program for the development of KF-X / IF-X fighter aircraft.

During the meeting, Wiranto brought the message of Indonesian President Joko Widodo (Jokowi) who decided to continue the cooperation program for the development of KF-X / IF-X fighter jets. This decision was made by considering a strategic partnership between Indonesia and South Korea which had been going well and increasingly tightly.

"Although the Indonesian government is currently focusing on the construction of road, bridge, port and airport infrastructure which is a vital aspect for national economic growth and equitable development, the government considers the cooperation with South Korea to develop KF-X / IF-X fighter jets. "It is very important for the advancement of technology and national defense," Wiranto said through a press statement on Thursday (03/07/2019).

He explained that the cooperation in developing KF-X / IF-X fighter aircraft with South Korea was an effort to improve the quality and capability of Indonesian human resources to master the 4.5 generation aerospace technology. This was in line with the Industrial Revolution 4.0 roadmaplaunched by President Jokowi.

"The current position of the ability of Indonesian engineers in mastering jet fighter technology is still inadequate, so a significant leap is needed in the increase," Wiranto said.

He hopes that the collaboration process for the development of the KF-X / IF-X which is being implemented in Seoul can reach an agreement that will have a positive impact on the mastery of the national aerospace industry technology, as well as strengthening the country's defense potential.

https://www.beritasatu.com/nasional/541673/wiranto-indonesia-lanjutkan-pengembangan-jet-tempur-kfx
 
AlhamduliLLAH government once again stated its seriousness on KFX/IFX program. This project is indeed important for our defense industry and air force. I hope Indonesian stick to the initial agreement to procure at least 48 KFX and invest 20 % in the program.
 
Indonesia seeks reduction in share of expenses in joint fighter jet project

By Jo He-rim
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Indonesia is seeking a reduction of its share of expenses in the fighter jet development project with South Korea, as it is running about 300 billion won ($254 million) in arrears.

According to Indonesian news reports, Indonesia’s Coordinating Minister for Politics and Security Wiranto reiterated the need to renegotiate the deal for the Korean Fighter Experimental, citing the government’s lack of budget.

Korea and Indonesia have been working together to develop a new fighter jet for the air forces of the two countries since striking an agreement in 2010. Under the arrangement, the $8 billion cost of the project is to be divided between South Korea and Indonesia, with Korea paying 80 percent.

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The KFX/IFX fighter jet under development by South Korea and Indonesia. (DAPA)

Wiranto, however, stressed that Indonesia is not seeking to withdraw from the project, and does not want to “disturb the long-standing friendship with South Korea,” Indonesian news outlet Kompas reported Thursday.

The country also does not want to lose the opportunity for the technology transfer the program would offer, Wiranto added.

According to South Korea’s Defense Acquisition Program Administration on Monday, Indonesia had paid about 220 billion won of its share of 1.7 trillion won as of Monday. The first deposit was made in 2016. Since paying 132 billion won early this year, there have not been any additional payments from Indonesia, and it is running about 300 billion won in arrears as of July, DAPA said.

While admitting that they have been renegotiating the deal since early this year, the Korean government refused to elaborate on details of their talks.

“The negotiation between the two countries are ongoing, and the two sides have agreed to keep it closed to the public,” DAPA spokesman Park Jeong-eun said.

The Indonesian Coordinating Ministry had said it would renegotiate its involvement in the joint project for “lighter” economic commitments, citing its national economic conditions, in a statement in October last year.

“Aside from the financial problem, the development of the fighter jets is going smoothly. We do not see that Indonesia will withdraw from the project,” an official from Korea Aerospace Industries, which is participating in the project, told The Korea Herald.

According to the official, 32 more Indonesian personnel are set to arrive in Korea in August, adding to the current 80 working here.

The Critical Design Review meeting is also expected to take place in September, in which the two sides will review the development of the project. It would then lead to building an actual prototype of the fighter jets, the official said.

The KFX/IFX project is aimed at producing semi-stealth fighter aircraft of generation 4.5. From the program, the two countries will build 168 units, of which 120 will belong to Korea.

The warplanes are expected to be equipped with semi-conformal missile launchers, advanced avionics and air-refueling functions.

The KFX project is South Korea’s second domestic fighter jet development program, first proposed in 2001.

By Jo He-rim (herim@heraldcorp.com)

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20190722000809
 
Short montage of KF-X 4.5th Generation Korean Fighter Jet Program sourced from new Korea Aerospace Industries promotional video.

 
Detail Design Has Been Completed

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Review of detailed design review committee confirmed 'prototype production possible'-

❍ The Defense Affairs Agency (CEO Wang Jung-hong) held the KF-X Detailed Design Review (CDR) Meeting * from September 24 to 26, allowing all military requirements to be reflected in the design and proceeding to the prototype production stage. It was confirmed that there is.
* CDR (Critical Design Review): Verify that system requirements and functional requirements are all reflected in the initial product specification that satisfies the detailed design, and proceed to prototype production, system integration, and testing within cost, schedule, and risk. Procedure to formally confirm that this is possible

❍ The Korean fighter system development project is under the supervision of the Korea Aerospace Industries (President Ahn Hyun-ho). The development began in January 2016 and completed the basic design in June 2018. Detailed hardware and software details are now available. The design is finalized and part fabrication is in progress.

❍ Up to three years and nine months from the start of the project, the wind tunnel test, the updating of major system models, and the design and analysis results for each field continuously improved the shape.

❍ In this detailed design review meeting, reviewers composed of government and private experts, including the Air Force, reviewed about 390 technical data to confirm that the military requirements were properly reflected in the design.

❍ The head of the Korean Fighter Project Division, Senior Defense Officer, Kwang Sun-sun, said, “Now, Korean fighter aircraft development has successfully passed the detailed design review stage and faces new challenges in the construction and testing of prototypes.” We will make every effort to make Korean fighters with the performances that the military satisfies through cooperation with related organizations. ”

❍ The head of the Korean Air Fighter Project Division, Kwang-Su Ryu, said, “We have made great efforts to develop Korean fighter aircraft that meet the military needs through perfect quality assurance and ground and flight tests of prototypes based on the output from detailed design after the start of system development. I'll make it successful. ”

❍ The Korean fighter system development project will ship the first prototype in the first half of 2021. It will then begin its first flight test in the first half of 2022 and complete development by 2026. In addition, it plans to exhibit a full-scale Korean fighter model at ADEX (Seoul International Aerospace & Defense Exhibition) held in October this year.

http://bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/bbs/view.html?b_bbs_id=10040&pn=1&num=93826#none

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Korea’s Biggest Domestic Weapons Project Takes Off: Production Set to Begin for Cutting-Edge, Multi-Role Fighter Jets
(Source: Korea Joongang Daily; published Oct. 02, 2019)
By Kim Min-Seok, Shim Kyu-Seok

Having passed its critical design review last week, Korea’s future stealth fighter will now enter full-scale development, leading to production of a prototype by 2021 and to initial deliveries by 2026, according to Korean Aerospace Industries. (KAI image)
The biggest homegrown weapons development project in Korean history is about to take off as Seoul begins production for its new cutting-edge, multi-role fighter jets known as the KFX.

The design for the KFX, which stands for Korean Fighter Experimental, is the result of almost two decades of planning that cost the government approximately 8.6 trillion won ($7 billion). Once production begins on 120 units of the new jet, which is scheduled to start in 2026, an additional 10 trillion won will be needed, putting the bill for the entire project at around 18.6 trillion won.

The Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA), Korea’s arms procurement agency, concluded its three-day critical review of the jet’s design last week, giving its final approval on Friday. Production of a prototype model begins this month.

According to Ryu Kwang-soo, head business manager of the KFX project at Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) - the project’s main developer, around 9,300 out of the approximately 12,000 detailed blueprints needed for the KFX project are complete - 78 percent of the project, including key components.

As a major national project, development for the KFX was led by the government’s Agency for Defense Development (ADD) and KAI, but approximately 225 private firms also partook in the process, including all of the country’s major defense contractors. Foreign stakeholders in the project include Indonesian Aerospace and the U.S. company Lockheed Martin, which provided technical assistance and several pieces of technology integral to the jet’s development.

The KFX, a twin-engine fighter superior to the U.S.-built F-15, is set to replace the Air Force’s fleet of F-4 and F-5 fighters that were first purchased in the 1960s. By the time the first units of the jet are operationally deployed in 2026, the military capacity of Korea’s Air Force will have advanced leaps and bounds.

While the KFX is classified as a 4.5-generation fighter with avionic and strike capabilities upgraded from the fourth-generation of combat aircraft built since the 1980s, it already possesses several stealth features and superior performance that could, with upgrades, possibly put it on par with the latest fifth-generation stealth aircraft.

KAI has been reluctant to reveal precisely what type of stealth mechanisms the jet is equipped with, but its radar cross section (RCS) - the primary measure of stealth on military aircraft - measures only 0.5 square meters (5.4 square feet). The smaller the RCS is, the stealthier the aircraft.

According to GlobalSecurity.org, a military data website, the U.S. Navy’s F/A-18E/F and France’s Dassault Rafale jets have an RCS of 1 square meter, the F-15 has 25 square meters and the fifth-generation F-35 has just 0.005 square meters.

To allow the jet to hold such equipment, KAI designed the KFX’s fuselage to resemble a stealth jet akin to Lockheed Martin’s F-22. Most of the sensors are located inside the aircraft, while the four air-to-air missiles installed on the KFX are half buried in the central part of the fuselage. Space was also left on the aircraft for the future installation of an internal weapons bay - a characteristic component of stealth fighters.

According to one KAI spokesperson, once the KFX’s stealth capacity is enhanced, it will be comparable to the F-117 - Lockheed Martin’s famed stealth attack aircraft that outclasses the F-35 in numerous ways.

Capable of performing sharp maneuvers midcourse, the KFX jet is already set to be equipped with a host of cutting-edge equipment that makes it one of the world’s finest non-stealth combat aircraft.

It far outmatches any aircraft owned by North Korea, which still largely operates Soviet models, as well as even those of China or Japan. In the event that aerial warfare breaks out in Northeast Asia, the Korean Air Force’s F-35As are set to face off against the enemy’s stealth aircraft, while its KFX and F-15K jets can hold off any hostile non-stealth aircraft. Once the KFX is upgraded in terms of its stealth functions, foreign powers may find it difficult to challenge Korea’s dominance over its own skies.

When development began on France’s Dassault Rafale or the U.S. F-35 jets, the novelty of the technology inflated costs and caused several difficulties,” said Jeong Gwang-seon, the head of the KFX business project at DAPA. “We had an advantage when developing the KFX, since we could refer to these advanced countries’ technology and development process.”

Given that it was designed with export in mind, around 65 percent of the jet’s components are domestically produced. While a single unit of the jet is currently estimated to cost around 80 billion won to build, producing a larger volume could mean these costs could lower over time.

Exporting the jet and its key components could also open the doors to a variety of new opportunities for Korea’s defense industry. In particular, the country is moving toward domestic development for its air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles - a key part of its defense strategy against North Korea’s advancing missile program - through the experience it has gained through the KFX program.

Lee Il-u, a managing director at KAI who led the development of the KFX’s fuselage, said the project allowed Korea’s development capacity for combat aircraft to “advance beyond” that of Britain or France.

But the path to get here was by no means smooth. In 2001, former President Kim Dae-jung promised that Korea would begin developing its own next-generation fighter jets, but the 13 years since were wasted. Five separate feasibility studies were conducted by relevant organizations, but few were willing to stake their careers on a project of such an astronomical cost and risk at a time when Korea lacked the necessary technology.

One of the biggest hurdles to the project came in 2015, when the U.S. government refused to allow the transfer of four of the 25 crucial technologies that Lockheed Martin agreed to provide Korea in exchange for Seoul’s purchase of its F-35 jets. Among these was an advanced radar system known as the Active Electronically Scanned Arrays, or ASEA, a game-changing component equipped in virtually all the latest generation military aircraft.

Conventional radars with rotating antennas can only perform one function per unit, so aircraft must be equipped with multiple radar units to be capable of a variety of tasks like surveillance and tracking. AESA radars, on the other hand, are made up of a thickly packed matrix of small transmit and receive modules (TRM) that allow them to put out differently shaped signal beams that can rapidly and simultaneously detect and track multiple targets in the air, at sea or on the ground.

Korea’s defense industry was thus forced to venture into terra incognita virtually blind in order to develop an ASEA radar for the KFX. The resulting domestically produced model has 1,088 TRMs compared to the approximately 1,200 TRMs on the F-35’s AESA radar.

“ADD had the technology but the firm [Hanwha Systems] had no experience in making the radar, so we were concerned,” said Shin Hyun-ik, a radar development director at ADD. “But we have now become the 11th country in the world to develop an AESA radar.” Even Israel’s ELTA Systems, a global leader in defense electronics, rated Korea’s AESA radar as superior to that of Israel’s.

A scaled down model of the AESA radar with 16 modules revealed by Hanwha Systems at its research center in Yongin, Gyeonggi, on Sept. 18 looked no larger than a fist. Yet it cost around 45 million won to build. Importing such a radar from abroad is estimated to cost around 80 million won. Close to 365.8 billion won has been invested into developing the AESA radar until 2026, but engineers have completed approximately 85 percent of its hardware. All parts of the radar will be produced domestically starting from next year. The radar will also be tested in Israel by next spring, followed by another flight test in Korea from next November. From 2023, it will be installed on the KFX prototype for a final round of testing.

The development of the aircraft’s fuselage and system integration was also an enormous task. According to Ryu, KAI had to revise blueprints put out by the ADD during the exploratory stage a total of nine times before getting something that was to their satisfaction. Another major problem they encountered was reducing the weight of the jet. The target weight for the KFX was 12.1 metric tons (13 tons), but designers had to reduce an additional 500 kilograms (1,102 pounds) to account for future additions. “So we opted to offer 100,000 won in incentives to every researcher who was able to take off a kilogram off the jet’s weight,” Ryu said. Equally complicated was the process of seamlessly integrating the approximately 230,000 component parts - minus the engine - into the aircraft’s design, a number far greater than the average car, which has around 20 to 30,000 constituent components.

At KAI’s factories in Sacheon, South Gyeongsang, around 1,250 researchers and engineers are hard at work developing the KFX. These professionals will also take on the role of transforming the jet into a stealth fighter, and eventually will begin preparations to work on the sixth-generation of combat aircraft.

The KAI plans to release a prototype of the KFX by April 2021, and, after sufficient test flights, the first batch of eight jets are set to be delivered to the Air Force by 2026. Concerns remain, however, that the four-year duration reserved for flight tests may be insufficient to test out the weapon, since it is shorter than the five to eight years that advanced countries normally allocate for such testing.

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https://www.defense-aerospace.com/a.../korea-kicks-off-stealth-fighter-program.html
 
ADEX 2019: Indonesia committed to KF-X project despite fiscal concerns
Jon Grevatt, Seoul - Jane's Defence Weekly
15 October 2019
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An artist impression of the KF-X fighter aircraft. South Korea is developing the platform in partnership with Indonesia, although the latter has fallen behind on payments. Source: DAPA

More than 100 engineers from Indonesian aerospace company PT Dirgantara (PTDI) remain involved in the project with South Korea to develop the next-generation Korean Fighter eXperimental (KF-X) fighter aircraft despite growing concern about the Southeast Asian country's financial involvement in the programme.

Industry officials told Jane's at the 2019 Seoul International Aerospace and Defense Exhibition (ADEX) that ties between PTDI at Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI), which is leading the KF-X programme, remain strong even if the South Korean and Indonesian governments have yet to reach an agreement on how - and how much - Jakarta will pay towards the development project.

"We have 114 engineers working on the KF-X in Korea," said one official from KAI. "They are mainly working on the design of the aircraft but also on manufacturing processes." PTDI told Jane's that its engineers' involvement in the programme is intended to support the company's long-term development and its ability to apply acquired skills across a range of platforms.

Industry officials would not comment directly on government-level talks intended to enable Jakarta to fund its involvement in the programme, which it refers to as IF-X. These talks started in October 2018 after Indonesia said that due to a lack of funding it wanted to renegotiate the financial arrangements that were agreed in 2015. Renegotiations were initially expected to be concluded within 12 months but have yet to be finalised.

Under the original KF-X finance agreement Indonesia is committed to pay for 20% of the total development costs of the aircraft, which are estimated at about USD8 billion. The South Korean government is committed to pay for 60% of costs, with KAI covering the remaining 20%.

https://www.janes.com/article/91903...itted-to-kf-x-project-despite-fiscal-concerns
 
South Korea unveils fighter jet mock-up amid program challenges
Josh Smith, Ju-min Park

October 15, 2019 / 6:09 PM / Updated 7 hours ago

SEONGNAM, South Korea (Reuters) - South Korea has displayed the first full-size mock-up of the KF-X fighter jet it is developing with Indonesia, after officials said the program passed key design reviews in September.

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The next-generation aircraft being developed by Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) is designed to be a cheaper, less-stealthy alternative to the U.S.-built F-35, and the plan is to eventually replace most of South Korea’s older fighter jets and produce more for export.

The mock-up was displayed on Monday at the Seoul International Aerospace and Defense Exhibition (ADEX).

South Korea has ordered 40 of the advanced F-35A aircraft from the United States, the first of which arrived this year.

North Korea has condemned South Korea’s purchase of the F-35s, as well as the development of other advanced weapons.

KAI is currently manufacturing a KF-X prototype and plans to carry out ground testing and flight tests in 2021 and 2022, respectively, company officials said.

“On the face of it they are making good progress, but there are signs of challenges in the program,” said Greg Waldron, Asia managing editor for FlightGlobal, a publication covering the aerospace industry. Among these are Indonesia’s push to renegotiate how it will pay its portion of the costs, and breaking into an export market crowded with established alternatives, Waldron said.

“With a program this ambitious you really have to spread the cost among many partners,” he said. “They could sell a few here and there, but the problem is they are going to be kind of late to the market and there are already many strong aircraft already out there.”

South Korean and Indonesia agreed in 2014 to jointly develop the KF-X in a project worth 7.5 trillion won ($6.33 billion) with Jakarta agreeing to pay 20% of the cost.

Last year, however, Indonesia sought to renegotiate to take pressure off its foreign exchange reserves and has since offered to pay its share of the cost in the form of a barter.

The KF-X program also hit a snag when South Korea was forced to develop several key technologies after the United States refused to provide approval for the use of some systems, like a radar, which is now being developed by Hanwha Systems.

But KAI says the project is progressing, and is helping South Korea build on its earlier aircraft programs.

“We could not have done KF-X if we did not have experience in building T-50 and FA-50,” a senior company official said, speaking on condition of anonymity as he was not authorized to speak to the media. “We are advancing step by step.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...mock-up-amid-program-challenges-idUSKBN1WU1H2
 
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why don't i see any internal bays, is this a stealth jet or not?
 
KFXIFX Cockpit is presented in Adex 2019

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