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[hillman32]

I can only say - Look in the mirror

thats all.

 

[Dr.Evil]

If Kashmiri want Independence - Pakistan will give !!!

How about India ?

Why do you give Independence to part of Kashmir under illegal occupation of pak army.

Then we will think about it.

 

[hillman32]

Why do you give Independence to part of Kashmir under illegal occupation of pak army.

Then we will think about it.

Kashmiri want Independence from Yoke of Indian slavery and for that they are struggling.

We are ready to give them independence and India is not ready.

Soon they will win and Maoists will also deflate India by that time.

 

[majesticpankaj]

Kashmiri want Independence from Yoke of Indian slavery and for that they are struggling.

We are ready to give them independence and India is not ready.

Soon they will win and Maoists will also deflate India by that time.

see, who is saying?? first look after taliban. apne ghar ko pehle sambaal lo (lawless region of SWAT and terrorist safe haven) fir dusri jagah ko aazaad karane ki sochna. tell me what you gonna do after maoists deflate us?? no offence, just curious.

 

[Dr.Evil]

Kashmiri want Independence from Yoke of Indian slavery and for that they are struggling.

We are ready to give them independence and India is not ready.

Soon they will win and Maoists will also deflate India by that time.

Who is stopping you guys from giving independece to the area controlled by You ?

First control what's happening in Mohmand today.

 

[hillman32]

Who is stopping you guys from giving independece to the area controlled by You ?

First control what's happening in Mohmand today.

Indian agents had carried out bomb blast in Mohmand Agency.

Why do not you tell RAW to stop killing innocent people in Pakistan.

Else

We pay you back with same coin !!!!!

 

[Dr.Evil]

Indian agents had carried out bomb blast in Mohmand Agency.

Why do not you tell RAW to stop killing innocent people in Pakistan.

Else

We pay you back with same coin !!!!!

Did they come and tell you ?

Dont you think you are getting the payback.

Just keep to the topic.

 

[majesticpankaj]

Indian agents had carried out bomb blast in Mohmand Agency.

Why do not you tell RAW to stop killing innocent people in Pakistan.

Else

We pay you back with same coin !!!!!

are you out of your mind??? you donot hav any evidence and taliban already have taken the responsibility of the attack, and you are talking like this !!! pls get rid of your anti indian mentality. reamaining in denial mode for so long is not good. all the best.

 

[jbond197]

Indian agents had carried out bomb blast in Mohmand Agency.

Why do not you tell RAW to stop killing innocent people in Pakistan.

Else

We pay you back with same coin !!!!!

On other thread, you were blaming Hinduism legacy for your social issues. Here you are blaming India for your political issues. Pakistan to Doodh ka dhula hai. It is open minded, with no religious bigotry and all clean.

Blaiming all your problems on India and other religions is something i think is taught religiously to you.

Taste the reality, Taliban is an evil created by you which is biting u back

 

[Areesh]

NO we are not .................................. then what ????

Don't cry if Kashmiris become violent or resort to militancy. Your policies are responsible for it.

 

[dabong1]

The owners of newspapers in Srinagar in Indian-administered Kashmir have suspended production because of curbs imposed by the government.

On Wednesday, curfew passes issued to journalists were cancelled, making their movement impossible.

On Friday, fresh passes were issued to some editors and senior journalists.

But owners say they will not be able to resume publication unless all staff return to work. Media groups across India have criticised the curbs.

On Friday, a BBC Urdu service journalist, Riaz Masroor, was stopped and beaten by police as he was going to collect his curfew pass.

He suffered a fractured arm.

In the past month, 14 civilians have died in clashes between protesters and the security forces.

'Curfew widened'

Meanwhile, authorities have extended a curfew to cover 15 towns in the Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley.

The curfew has been in place for the past three days in Srinagar.

"We have widened the curfew to ensure a violence-free Friday," news agency AFP quoted an unnamed police officer as saying.

Towns such as Kupwara and Handwara in the north, Kakpora and Pulwama in the south and Ganderbal in the east have now been placed under curfew.

On Wednesday, army soldiers marched through Srinagar in a show of force to help quell street protests.

Correspondents say the Indian government is concerned over the situation, especially as the country's foreign minister is due to hold talks with Pakistan next week.

Kashmir is an issue that has long affected relations between the two countries - both claim the territory in its entirety.

The Indian government has already accused Pakistan-based militant groups of instigating the latest protests.

BBC News - Kashmir newspapers suspend production to protest curbs

If a BBC journo is getting assaulted what is happening to the common kashmiri?

 

[javaman]

yaar bas karo,y make separate threads,do post in single one

 

[EjazR]

@civfanatic
You agree that Pakistani based militants have killed of JKLF activists and then you don't agree that Mirwaiz Umar Farooq father was killed by militants? And this is what the Hurriyat (M) activists say andArif Jamal also noted in his book Shadow War. His father was pro-dialouge and was talking to GoI so him dyingwas a loss for the GoI. Samething happened with Sajjad Lone's father.
The point is that any pro-independance or a sepratists who starts a dialouge with GoI is targetted. I can give you a long list for that.

The thing is that with HR violations everyone is united, even pro-Indian Kashmiris and the Indian civil society.

And I'm not sure if you know but the author usually holds an anti-government stance in most of his articles and in his intial articleswas also calling for protests against the encounter killings. IF you read the article he is not praising the government for anything.

Geelani is popular? He got booted out in the recent elections of hisown organisation Jamaat-Islami.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/kashmir-war/53403-geelani-suspended-jamaat-islami-jammu-kashmir.html

Many Pakistanis don't realise that Geelani is as popular in Kashmir as the religious parties are in Pakistan i.e. not much but they have small core of dedicated people.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Yesterday I asked a question but Pakistani members did not respond.
Perhaps it was overlooked.

So I am repeating it.

Why does not Pakistan army and ALL the ONE MILLION militants that you have ( in SWAT ,FATA , Waziristan, Punjab) TOGETHER STORM THE LINE OF CONTROL.

Even if You DON T WIN your terrorism problem will end

Has Pakistan Army given up the dream of conquering kashmir

Where did you get the figure 1 million militants? Are you being cynical because I can be cynical too. Hindu Times of India reported that there are only 30,000-35,000 militants in Pakistan total.

To answer your question - storming the line of control it will result in a nuclear war with the end result of India being a nuclear wasteland.

Any more questions?

 

[billi]

Scepticism in India over claim of Pakistan hand in Kashmir


By Cyril Almeida Friday, 09 Jul, 2010


NEW DELHI: As the latest spell of violence in Indian-administered Kashmir enters a second month and shows no sign of abating, the Indian government’s claim that the violence is being orchestrated by Pakistan and separatist elements in Kashmir is increasingly being met with scepticism inside India.

Countering the state-driven narrative is a tale of anger, hopelessness and frustration among a generation of Valley Muslim teenagers and young men and women barely in their 20s, a post-1990 generation that has been raised amidst the violence of the first Kashmir ‘intifida’, has few economic prospects and that does not identify with any of the political parties in Kashmir.

The idea of a poorly organised, youth-driven, apolitical struggle rooted in the bleak possibilities life has to offer for a certain segment of the Muslim population in Indian-administered Kashmir is at sharp variance with the claims of Indian officials that Pakistan or Pakistani-sponsored militants may be behind the latest round of violence.

The Indian Home Ministry has been particularly hawkish on the Pakistan connection, with senior officials, including Home Minister P. Chidambaram, regularly raising the issue of cross-LoC infiltration, militant training camps, and the possible role of the Lashkar-i-Taiba in the violence.

On Wednesday, Congress spokesperson, Jayanthi Natarajan, also waded into the issue, telling reporters, “Elements from across the border and the separatists inimical to the unity of our country are trying to create tension and violence in the Valley.”

A former Indian high commissioner to Pakistan, G. Parthasarathy, was even more direct in a conversation with Dawn: “(APHC separatist leader) Geelani has the backing of the (Jamaat-i-Islami) guns, the Hizbul Mujahideen. Unlike Musharraf, Kayani and co are comfortable with the JI, so they’ve activated that link again.”

But that theory is largely dismissed outside official circles.
“Utter nonsense,” said Praveen Swami, a respected analyst on security issues and Kashmir.
“The protests have been going on since 2005. They are happening in very specific areas. Nine out of 10 incidents are in three cities (Sopore, Baramullah and Srinagar) and even within those cities, the violence is predominantly in the old parts of the cities.”

According to Swami, “Mr Geelani’s party may be handing out 100 rupee notes” but the real reasons for the violence is a generation of Valley youth who have “no leadership, no prospects”, “kids who are completely cut off from the economy and have a number of secular grievances.”

The rise of a new peasant elite dislodged the traders and artisans, predominantly Muslims, from their traditional position atop the social and economic pyramid, creating a vacuum that has been filled with anger and despair, Swami explained.

That view was echoed by Srinagar-based journalist Shamim Meraj, “Look at their (the protesters) footwear: they’re wearing slippers. They aren’t very well-to-do. There’s clearly frustration in the valley.”

With plenty of blame to go around, the young chief minister of the state, Omar Abdullah, grandson of Sheikh Abdullah, has come in for some stick.

“The vote (in state elections in 2008) was for bijli, pani and sarak (electricity, water and roads),” according to Sandeep Dixit, an editor with The Hindu, “but not much has changed.”

Abdullah is particularly criticised for his aloofness during the present crisis: “Omar should have gone to the trouble spots, been more visible, seen the dead and injured,” according to Shamim Meraj.

“As far as Delhi is concerned, Omar’s a great guy. He is married to a sardarni, his mother is British. He represents what Delhi would like a Muslim leader to be,” Shamim added. “But religious identity matters in the Valley. He can’t even speak the language.”

The religious angle is a tricky question, especially with the Indian state seemingly equating all forms of Islamist support with militancy/jihad.
Swami explained, “The areas in which violence has occurred have political Islam traditions… Islamist strength is undeniably growing… But the youth rage is unconnected to the Hurriyat and the (National Conference).”

What really makes the Valley a tinderbox, though, is perhaps the heavy-handed tactics of the local police and the paramilitary Central Reserve Police Force, which are responsible for maintaining law and order in the state.

According to Saeed Naqvi, a senior fellow at the Observer Research Foundation, “There are right-wing elements in the police” that are comfortable with, and even urging the use of, violent tactics for dealing with the stone-throwing protesters. Meraj, the Srinagar-based journalist, observed: “Twenty years ago it was a gun (that protesters were using), now it is a stone. And yet the response (of the state) has not changed.”

Swami lays most of the blame on the lack of any meaningful debate on autonomy or reform of the police: “The bulk of the killing is because of indiscipline and stupidity. (The police) aren’t trained and overreact.”

Important as it may be to rein in an under-trained, trigger-happy police force, there is a consensus that an end to the troubles in the Valley lies in a political solution.

Even the hawkish G. Parthasarathy, the former high commissioner to Pakistan, agrees: “The problem can’t be dealt with only by law and order means. There has to be a political approach.”

Iftikhar Gilani, a well-known Kashmiri journalist, urged that there is no time to be lost: “The problem is growing. We haven’t seen curfew in the north before, in places like Kapuwara. Almost the entire Valley, not just three districts is in trouble.”

For Gilani, the violence was “embedded in the political problem of Kashmir”. “If you give them (the protesters) political, democratic space, they can vent their anger.”

That space would include giving the Hurriyat, and even other hardliners outside the Hurriyat, the right to hold political meetings instead of placing the leaders under house arrest, according to Gilani.
“Look at Kashmir University. No professor is allowed to participate in politics there. But in Jammu University, professors are allowed to participate and the BJP hands out tickets,” Gilani observed.

In reality, though, with the army now being called in to patrol in parts of Srinagar, the already distant hopes for a political settlement anytime soon seem to be receding even further.

The speculation that Delhi is unhappy with Omar Abdullah and wants his administration to take a more proactive role to restore peace in the Kashmir Valley using local resources raises an equally vexing question: how can the discredited and controversial local police and CRPF be relied upon now to establish order when they helped disrupt order in the first place?

For G. Parthasarathy the answer is simple: “We’ll handle it. We’ve handled worse before.”

Praveen Swami was more circumspect: “None of the kids protesting are over 20. For the sake of the kids, J&K politicians need to unite. They’re just kids. Let’s not lose them.”

next time dont ever say Indian media is crappy or biased or prejudiced. We have the best press in the world at least in terms of ethics.