Karma at it's finest "When the ICE Came"

[Hamartia Antidote]

I feel sorry for the people caught up in this.
But re the community; can I ask? You thought that Trump would not deport you cause you were Chritians? You doi realise Mexicans are all Christians too?

Why would they think Trump would not deport people who have broken the law? They mention 100,000 people in the community and 1,000 or so have issues.

 

[Gomig-21]

I don't see the issue. If people break the law they risk being deported no matter what their religion is or which President is in office. If a President comes into office and is lax about enforcing a deportation law then that is just a lucky break for the people who break it. If Trump is enforcing the law well that's the norm.

This guy who got 3.5-20 years must have done something really serious that they aren't mentioning. You have to really try hard to get yourself prison time instead of a simple slap on the wrist. It's shocking he is still here. If this was any other country he'd be gone. It wouldn't even be an issue. Why should it be???

i'm not sure why the Chaldean should feel silly voting for Trump because he wants to deport people like this. For all we know the majority of them actually support it. Am I supposed to feel bad if somebody with the same European background as me got deported for criminal offenses due to Trump? I don't think so. Maybe some crying liberal would have an issue.

Here's the thing; that guy that got 3-1/2 to 20 years and released after 2 came to the US in 1980 and that drug charge happened in 1987. So he did his time under Reagan/Bush 1 and has been here since and doing fine, it seems. He's 67 years old now. Should he really be rounded up and put on the airport bus?

And this is the irony that EA was talking about:

The Chaldeans of Michigan have a conservative history, consistently supporting the Republican Party with votes and donations, and they voted heavily for Donald Trump in the 2016 election, helping him win Michigan by fewer than 11,000 votes. Trump and Vice President Mike Pence inspired many Chaldeans to show up at voting booths with unprecedented enthusiasm by promising to protect persecuted Christians in the Middle East. A Chaldean priest publicly blessed Trump while he was on the campaign trail, and conservative Christians praised Trump’s commitment to Christian minorities on Facebook. Few in the community expected that Trump’s immigration crackdown—touted in part as a means to protect the country from radical Islamists—would come to target them.

I guess the issue becomes do they get lumped in with elements perceived as a threat or just deemed part of the countries on Trump's travel ban? Or in this case, Iraq which was a contested country in that travel ban. And what about these people with prior misdemeanors who've served their time decades ago? It's a tough call, for sure.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Here's the thing; that guy that got 3-1/2 to 20 years and released after 2 came to the US in 1980 and that drug charge happened in 1987. So he did his time under Reagan/Bush 1 and has been here since and doing fine, it seems. He's 67 years old now. Should he really be rounded up and put on the airport bus?

And this is the irony that EA was talking about:

If the law was on the books back then that says he was subject to deportation if he did a criminal offense then the only reason he is here is because of luck due to lack of enforcement.

He can get his hearing before a judge and an outcome will happen.

 

[Gomig-21]

If the law was on the books back then that says he was subject to deportation if he did a criminal offense then the only reason he is here is because of luck due to lack of enforcement.

He can get his hearing before a judge and an outcome will happen.

True and that's the logical answer I suppose. But I would think there's also a statute of limitations that needs serious consideration. Is it his fault that law enforcement didn't act at the time and now, 30 years later, they want to enforce it? And why suddenly this enforcement? I suppose it also has to do with the level of crime. But we can't deny that there is a substantial time that has elapsed and to no fault of his.

 

[CenterLeft]

We'll see very soon. I don't think it's that easy of a decision, just to please his base. Most Republicans are against ending DACA and it would cost the US government $60 billion over a decade to round 800,000 people and deport them, never mind the backlash of the majority of these being kids who've basically grown up in the US and hardly know much about their own culture. Then they have to consider how many of that nearly 1 million people will go into hiding to avoid deportation and the additional cost of the crimes that would ensue etc. It's not that simple, hence a quagmire.

What did I tell you?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/daca-trump-congress/index.html

 

[Mugwop]

 

[Gomig-21]

What did I tell you?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/daca-trump-congress/index.html

What did you tell me? That he was going to deport all of them? That hasn't happened, has it?

I think it was inevitable that he would cowardly announce this while hiding behind Jeff Sessions who couldn't even answer any questions after doing Trump's dirty work. Trump really has no interest in destroying these 800,000 people's lives and instead left it to Congress, just like your link described and in the end, he'll bargain with them to allow all 800,000 (minus maybe a few of the ones who committed serious crimes and/or are incarcerated) not to be deported through a comprehensive immigration reform (which is going to be pretty tough for Congress to do) in return for a start on budgeting consideration to build the wall. This is all just a ploy to garner support for that stupid thing so he doesn't look like he failed miserably with the biggest promise he made and look even more like a fool.

What's probably going to happen is Congress will never be able to put a comprehensive immigration reform package for him to sign in 6 months (March 5th deadline), hence he loses any leverage with them on building the wall and now he'll have both dilemmas on his head, the fact that he destroyed 800,000 people's lives AND he won't get any congressional support for the wall. He's gambling BIG TIME. We shall see.

 

[CenterLeft]

What did you tell me? That he was going to deport all of them? That hasn't happened, has it?

He will deport them, but not all, of course. It will happen. You know that his father was probably a member of the Ku Klux Klan? You know that he didn't allow colored people to rent his properties?

I am no Trumpie. But I can see that he follows extreme right wing ideas. In the brouhaha that follows, he will be cutting taxes for the rich, hopefully without too many people noticing.

 

[Gomig-21]

He will deport them, but not all, of course. It will happen. You know that his father was probably a member of the Ku Klux Klan? You know that he didn't allow colored people to rent his properties?

A actually mentioned that on another thread after the Charlottesville rioting. 1929 brawl in NY City, the ol' man was 1 of 7 who was arrested and was allegedly wearing a white, pointy hoodie.

I think he's going to get a lot of flack and resistance about this. He just tweeted minutes ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/905228667336499200

 

[CenterLeft]

I think he's going to get a lot of flack and resistance about this. He just tweeted minutes ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/905228667336499200

And Congress will do nothing! As always.

 

[Gomig-21]

And Congress will do nothing! As always.

It's literally impossible for them to put a fair, adequate, lawful and comprehensive immigration reform packaged bill together in 6 months considering how complicated all the issues of immigration are, not just DACA. And not to mention how back-logged they are already. They want him to help them (Lindsey Graham and others) and he's not going to do it unless they give him assurances on building the wall, which they'll never do. He's essentially gambling with these people's lives in order to get that wall. What a classy guy. No wonder many had problems doing business with this hack. What a lowly thing to do and he knows it. As a civilian he was able to get away with ruthless practices like that. As president, he has A LOT more ethical criticisms that will confront him in many forms. When Congress fails, he'll have to revisit it like he said in that tweet and then rescind it after taking a lot of heat. It'll be a badly lost gamble on his part.

 

[CenterLeft]

When Congress fails, he'll have to revisit it like he said in that tweet and then rescind it after taking a lot of heat. It'll be a badly lost gamble on his part.

Or not rescind it and allow the outrage to continue with ongoing deportations. That would put more pressure on Congress. Let's see what actually happens.