JF17 is an aircraft of present,Tejas is an aircraft of future - IAF chief

[Bilal Khan 777]

Everybody important is working on 7th gen.

This is India's.

US:

Russia:
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-lethal-seventh-generation-fighter-jets-15379
Even before its first fifth-generation stealth fighter completes development, Russia has embarked on developing sixth and even seventh-generation follow-ons to the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA.

China:
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/22...et_Based_on_J_20_Stealth_Fighter#.WqkkoajwaUk
China is preparing to commence research on a sixth-generation fighter aircraft
(Chinese 6th gen = Western 7th gen)

India has two such projects:
One is ISRO's and the other is DRDO's. DRDO's project is called AVATAR.

Official ISRO website referring to the project.
https://www.isro.gov.in/sites/default/files/usq251.pdf
Feasibility study of project"AVATAR)" has been done by a group of scientists in DRDO. ISRO has no connection with the project.

All the above are 7th gen jets.



Unified sensor suite vs distributed sensor suite. Anybody with brains will agree with me.

The discussion is, where is your LCA Tejas? Is it in the present or near realized future? In my observation all you types simply avoid this question like a plague, and your CAS only embarrassed himself by talking non-sense about PAF aircraft. Shame.

 

[Daghalodi]

Everybody important is working on 7th gen.

This is India's.

US:

Russia:
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...-lethal-seventh-generation-fighter-jets-15379
Even before its first fifth-generation stealth fighter completes development, Russia has embarked on developing sixth and even seventh-generation follow-ons to the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA.

China:
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/22...et_Based_on_J_20_Stealth_Fighter#.WqkkoajwaUk
China is preparing to commence research on a sixth-generation fighter aircraft
(Chinese 6th gen = Western 7th gen)

India has two such projects:
One is ISRO's and the other is DRDO's. DRDO's project is called AVATAR.

Official ISRO website referring to the project.
https://www.isro.gov.in/sites/default/files/usq251.pdf
Feasibility study of project"AVATAR)" has been done by a group of scientists in DRDO. ISRO has no connection with the project.

All the above are 7th gen jets.

The discussion is, where is your LCA Tejas? Is it in the present or near realized future? In my observation all you types simply avoid this question like a plague, and your CAS only embarrassed himself by talking non-sense about PAF aircraft. Shame.

He wont talk about this .. All he talks about is LCA mark2 is better than MKI present LCA is better than mirages and all upcoming indian rafaels are better and stealthier than f22. India is working on 7 gen aircrafts for space and post a pic about a rocket. This is what we call a bhooki nangi shupa powa!!

 

[MimophantSlayer]

The discussion is, where is your LCA Tejas? Is it in the present or near realized future? In my observation all you types simply avoid this question like a plague, and your CAS only embarrassed himself by talking non-sense about PAF aircraft. Shame.

Where is Tejas you say.
Tejas is inducted in the IAF serving with the Flying daggers No. 45 squadron.

HAL has 2 production facilities that can produce 8 Tejas annually whereas a third production facility is going to open next year that will produce 8 more, bringing up the production rate to the promised 16 per year.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Tajas is Indeed a Fighter of the Future cause ot has all the technologies even in its MK1 (FOC ) format tested and intigrated which JF17 WANTS TO HAVE in its BLK III version

like Tejas has 45% of its body wieght & 99% of its skin area made in carbon composties while JF17 is made of metal

Like tajas had a 4 channel Digital Fly By Wore from starting but Jf 17 still has three way analog Fly By Wire

like Tejas has 90 degree plus all aspect HOBS form satrt while JF17 wants to have in BLK III version

like Tejas already has tested with AL/M-2032 MMR & Lietening3 G3 Laser desiganation Pod and can dospose any kind of Laser Guided or Precission guided Bombs or Small Diametere or Smart Bombs while JF17 still stryggles in this deptt


Like Tejas already has tested and intigrated both HOBS type misslies like PYTHON 5 WVR R73, R27 & active/passive Radar guided BVRs like Derby & I Derby ER but status of JF17 in this deptt is still sketchy at best

like tejas is already tested and intigrated with(OBOGS) on board oxygen making system and (IFR probe)inflight refuling system while JF17 pilot has to carr special oxygen cylinders in each flight

Like Tejas can take off and land in any kind off weather in day and night in any aaltitude on day and night and is tested over and over again and there had been no mishaps but there are few recorded mishaps of JF17
like tejas is already having upgraded Mig29 type GaN AESA type minturised & ninfied RWR+EW+ECM+internal jammer suite to save both space and wieght and has better cooling & software systems also as compared to JF17

like tejas is already Flight testing three diffrent types of AESA radar (LRDE UUTAM, EL 2052 & Thales RBE2AA) ondiffrent platforms for up coming MK1A model with there unique unified suites already 8 LCA inducted 32 more to go in MK1 format 83 on order for Mk1A format


so yes LCA Teajas is a Future fighter and MK1A with a ASEA Radar & Next gen all aspect 360 degrees HOBS and Israeli version of SPECTRA (unified RWR+EW+ECM+internal jammer suits & avionics suits) with 3 way sattlite link US+ Russian+ Indian and amix and match of the worlds most leathel avionics and weapons suits with most compact design and RCS more than 1/3rd as that of a Mirage 2000 in clean configuration imagine what it will do with all that backup


thats not all even indian jags are having EL2052 AESA then there are Migrage 2000 and then Mig 29s and mighty MKI so dont bother LCA is last of the worries of PAF

 

[randomradio]

The discussion is, where is your LCA Tejas? Is it in the present or near realized future? In my observation all you types simply avoid this question like a plague, and your CAS only embarrassed himself by talking non-sense about PAF aircraft. Shame.

Already explained what the CAS meant.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf17...-future-iaf-chief.555649/page-9#post-10453889

Meh, the ACM is only saying the JF-17 is operational (present) and the Tejas is yet to become fully operational (future).

And since the Tejas is yet to be configured, it will have better stuff on it.

Nothing special.

There was no nonsense in what he said. The only nonsense comes from what was interpreted from his words.

Now if the definitive version of the LCA, the LCA Mk1A, set to arrive from 2021 onwards, comes with AESA, advanced EW, sensor fusion etc, then wouldn't it be the aircraft of the future versus the currently operational JF-17 with older technologies, which is the aircraft of the present?

This is what he meant by "Depends on what we equip Tejas with".

Why are people overthinking this stuff?

When comparing Tejas and JF-17, you guys used to argue that the JF-17 is operational today (meaning it is available in the present) while the Tejas is not (meaning it will be operational in the future). So why are you now arguing against your own arguments when the CAS only said what you lot said?

In other words the CAS is saying that the JF-17 is operational today, the LCA will be operational tomorrow with better technologies. Simple.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Tajas is Indeed a Fighter of the Future cause ot has all the technologies even in its MK1 (FOC ) format tested and intigrated which JF17 WANTS TO HAVE in its BLK III version

like Tejas has 45% of its body wieght & 99% of its skin area made in carbon composties while JF17 is made of metal

Like tajas had a 4 channel Digital Fly By Wore from starting but Jf 17 still has three way analog Fly By Wire

like Tejas has 90 degree plus all aspect HOBS form satrt while JF17 wants to have in BLK III version

like Tejas already has tested with AL/M-2032 MMR & Lietening3 G3 Laser desiganation Pod and can dospose any kind of Laser Guided or Precission guided Bombs or Small Diametere or Smart Bombs while JF17 still stryggles in this deptt


Like Tejas already has tested and intigrated both HOBS type misslies like PYTHON 5 WVR R73, R27 & active/passive Radar guided BVRs like Derby & I Derby ER but status of JF17 in this deptt is still sketchy at best

like tejas is already tested and intigrated with(OBOGS) on board oxygen making system and (IFR probe)inflight refuling system while JF17 pilot has to carr special oxygen cylinders in each flight

Like Tejas can take off and land in any kind off weather in day and night in any aaltitude on day and night and is tested over and over again and there had been no mishaps but there are few recorded mishaps of JF17
like tejas is already having upgraded Mig29 type GaN AESA type minturised & ninfied RWR+EW+ECM+internal jammer suite to save both space and wieght and has better cooling & software systems also as compared to JF17

like tejas is already Flight testing three diffrent types of AESA radar (LRDE UUTAM, EL 2052 & Thales RBE2AA) ondiffrent platforms for up coming MK1A model with there unique unified suites already 8 LCA inducted 32 more to go in MK1 format 83 on order for Mk1A format


so yes LCA Teajas is a Future fighter and MK1A with a ASEA Radar & Next gen all aspect 360 degrees HOBS and Israeli version of SPECTRA (unified RWR+EW+ECM+internal jammer suits & avionics suits) with 3 way sattlite link US+ Russian+ Indian and amix and match of the worlds most leathel avionics and weapons suits with most compact design and RCS more than 1/3rd as that of a Mirage 2000 in clean configuration imagine what it will do with all that backup


thats not all even indian jags are having EL2052 AESA then there are Migrage 2000 and then Mig 29s and mighty MKI so dont bother LCA is last of the worries of PAF

What ever gibrish you wrote...answer one thing ...Is Tejas a success? why India is the only country who start producing version II without the success of original version? Tejas suppose to be fly with Kaveri...what happened to that? Tejas suppose to fly with indigenous RADAR...what happened to that? still importing 69% of foreign parts including engine, avionics and radar....

By the let me know when MK II version inducted and start full production...

Amit Gupta

 

[GURU DUTT]

The discussion is, where is your LCA Tejas? Is it in the present or near realized future? In my observation all you types simply avoid this question like a plague, and your CAS only embarrassed himself by talking non-sense about PAF aircraft. Shame.

CAS os simply saying Tejas is getting ready for the Air WAR of the Future while PAF has readied its JF17 for the WAR in 1990s or early 2000s which isnt bad but is it really great to stand against the latest fighters laden with western weapons and Radars & counter measures and jammers..... think about that cause tejas is getting ready for it even though Tejas is not a Front tine Fighter .. it is just a POINT DEFENCE Fighter or a Internal Vigil & a internal Close aair Support providing fighter when the big boys of IAF will be bizzy attacking the enemy in enemy air space

 

[ALi Rizwan]

CAS os simply saying Tejas is getting ready for the Air WAR of the Future while PAF has readied its JF17 for the WAR in 1990s or early 2000s which isnt bad but is it really great to stand against the latest fighters laden with western weapons and Radars & counter measures and jammers..... think about that cause tejas is getting ready for it even though Tejas is not a Front tine Fighter .. it is just a POINT DEFENCE Fighter or a Internal Vigil & a internal Close aair Support providing fighter when the big boys of IAF will be bizzy attacking the enemy in enemy air space

year 1990 war??? defence.pk should correct your title ELITE TROLL

First produce your AESA / HMD equipped plane then talk.

& what make you think that our JF-17 will remain same??? PAF will not only produce Block-3 but will also upgrade older version.

 

[kabooter_maila]

Tajas is Indeed a Fighter of the Future cause ot has all the technologies even in its MK1 (FOC ) format tested and intigrated which JF17 WANTS TO HAVE in its BLK III version

like Tejas has 45% of its body wieght & 99% of its skin area made in carbon composties while JF17 is made of metal

Like tajas had a 4 channel Digital Fly By Wore from starting but Jf 17 still has three way analog Fly By Wire

like Tejas has 90 degree plus all aspect HOBS form satrt while JF17 wants to have in BLK III version

like Tejas already has tested with AL/M-2032 MMR & Lietening3 G3 Laser desiganation Pod and can dospose any kind of Laser Guided or Precission guided Bombs or Small Diametere or Smart Bombs while JF17 still stryggles in this deptt


Like Tejas already has tested and intigrated both HOBS type misslies like PYTHON 5 WVR R73, R27 & active/passive Radar guided BVRs like Derby & I Derby ER but status of JF17 in this deptt is still sketchy at best

like tejas is already tested and intigrated with(OBOGS) on board oxygen making system and (IFR probe)inflight refuling system while JF17 pilot has to carr special oxygen cylinders in each flight

Like Tejas can take off and land in any kind off weather in day and night in any aaltitude on day and night and is tested over and over again and there had been no mishaps but there are few recorded mishaps of JF17
like tejas is already having upgraded Mig29 type GaN AESA type minturised & ninfied RWR+EW+ECM+internal jammer suite to save both space and wieght and has better cooling & software systems also as compared to JF17

like tejas is already Flight testing three diffrent types of AESA radar (LRDE UUTAM, EL 2052 & Thales RBE2AA) ondiffrent platforms for up coming MK1A model with there unique unified suites already 8 LCA inducted 32 more to go in MK1 format 83 on order for Mk1A format


so yes LCA Teajas is a Future fighter and MK1A with a ASEA Radar & Next gen all aspect 360 degrees HOBS and Israeli version of SPECTRA (unified RWR+EW+ECM+internal jammer suits & avionics suits) with 3 way sattlite link US+ Russian+ Indian and amix and match of the worlds most leathel avionics and weapons suits with most compact design and RCS more than 1/3rd as that of a Mirage 2000 in clean configuration imagine what it will do with all that backup


thats not all even indian jags are having EL2052 AESA then there are Migrage 2000 and then Mig 29s and mighty MKI so dont bother LCA is last of the worries of PAF

All this is your imagination. Indian masses are being fooled for last 40 years in the name of Teja. While comparing it with JFT, don't tell us it WILL have this or that technology. You already have delivered that BS at massive scale. Tell us only what your Teja has on it now! It is a paper plane that used to take ride on the back of a truck. Now after getting help from numerous foreign sources, it managed to get air born. Still it's just a flying plane (not a fighter plane) that cannot even demo a slow fly past leave alone it is equipped with weapon systems and is in active service with the IAF. In fact, IAF have turned it into a hanger queen have no real role in air defence.

 

[Noman Sarwar]

its absolutely stupid of indians to compare an failure to a success story thunder, where thunder has replaced 100's of pakistan's old fighter jets where as tejas is still in very much experimental phase and indian air force is still not happy with its performance BIG FAIL.. the only reason its being inducted in air force save it from further humiliation.

 

[randomradio]

its absolutely stupid of indians to compare an failure to a success story thunder, where thunder has replaced 100's of pakistan's old fighter jets where as tejas is still in very much experimental phase and indian air force is still not happy with its performance BIG FAIL.. the only reason its being inducted in air force save it from further humiliation.

And in the next 10 years, the LCA will have surpassed the JF-17's numbers. And almost all the LCAs will have AESA radars.

 

[Ultima Thule]

And in the next 10 years, the LCA will have surpassed the JF-17's numbers. And almost all the LCAs will have AESA radars.

Then tell me how @randomradio you jester @randomradio and all BLK-1, BLK-2 will be MLU upgraded with AESA new avionic and much more you jester @randomradio so your IAF believe in numbers not in a quality, so they will suspect the capabilities of your cow piss, vedic, out of this universe, 10000000000000000000 gen , invisible, invincible junk Tej@$$ that why numbers is increased by the IAF you jester @randomradio

 

[My-Analogous]

Tajas is Indeed a Fighter of the Future cause ot has all the technologies even in its MK1 (FOC ) format tested and intigrated which JF17 WANTS TO HAVE in its BLK III version

like Tejas has 45% of its body wieght & 99% of its skin area made in carbon composties while JF17 is made of metal

Like tajas had a 4 channel Digital Fly By Wore from starting but Jf 17 still has three way analog Fly By Wire

like Tejas has 90 degree plus all aspect HOBS form satrt while JF17 wants to have in BLK III version

like Tejas already has tested with AL/M-2032 MMR & Lietening3 G3 Laser desiganation Pod and can dospose any kind of Laser Guided or Precission guided Bombs or Small Diametere or Smart Bombs while JF17 still stryggles in this deptt


Like Tejas already has tested and intigrated both HOBS type misslies like PYTHON 5 WVR R73, R27 & active/passive Radar guided BVRs like Derby & I Derby ER but status of JF17 in this deptt is still sketchy at best

like tejas is already tested and intigrated with(OBOGS) on board oxygen making system and (IFR probe)inflight refuling system while JF17 pilot has to carr special oxygen cylinders in each flight

Like Tejas can take off and land in any kind off weather in day and night in any aaltitude on day and night and is tested over and over again and there had been no mishaps but there are few recorded mishaps of JF17
like tejas is already having upgraded Mig29 type GaN AESA type minturised & ninfied RWR+EW+ECM+internal jammer suite to save both space and wieght and has better cooling & software systems also as compared to JF17

like tejas is already Flight testing three diffrent types of AESA radar (LRDE UUTAM, EL 2052 & Thales RBE2AA) ondiffrent platforms for up coming MK1A model with there unique unified suites already 8 LCA inducted 32 more to go in MK1 format 83 on order for Mk1A format


so yes LCA Teajas is a Future fighter and MK1A with a ASEA Radar & Next gen all aspect 360 degrees HOBS and Israeli version of SPECTRA (unified RWR+EW+ECM+internal jammer suits & avionics suits) with 3 way sattlite link US+ Russian+ Indian and amix and match of the worlds most leathel avionics and weapons suits with most compact design and RCS more than 1/3rd as that of a Mirage 2000 in clean configuration imagine what it will do with all that backup


thats not all even indian jags are having EL2052 AESA then there are Migrage 2000 and then Mig 29s and mighty MKI so dont bother LCA is last of the worries of PAF

One answer to all your Like. JF17 flying LIKE fighter plane since 2008, while other is still in IOC configuration. JF17 have logs over 20,000 plus (in 2016 they achieved 19,000 https://quwa.org/2016/04/29/jf-17-logs-19000-operational-flight-hours/ and now we have 100 plus on air) operational flight hours compare to other just starting her life.
I hope you guys find solution for that as well to match operational hours of Tejas. Serious note: Tejas if start now it need atleast 6 to 8 years to test and understanding and develop tactics according to that whereas JF17 already passed that phase. JF17 is now 10 year old mature platform and that is the biggest advantage JF17 have over Tejas

 

[ALi Rizwan]

And in the next 10 years, the LCA will have surpassed the JF-17's numbers. And almost all the LCAs will have AESA radars.

Oh Genius LCA can never ever surpassed JF-17 in numbers because we are already ahead of you(100+).

You will only surpassed us when we move to 5th Gen fighter.

before talking big first add more production line because your existing capacity is 8 fighter / year.

& Don't worry about our AESA radar. KLJ-7A is coming soon at least sooner then LATE COMBAT AIRCRAFT.

 

[ssethii]

Tejas mk1a has all the qualities that are required in jf blk 3.
Jf is only better in numbers that too because paf inducted jf as soon as it was delivered by China...
If paf would have wanted full fledged jf then the numbers would be much less ..
Iaf is not in hurry so it wanted all the features from day1.

BS argument. Must have been invented by some LCA fanboy to sleep well at night.