japans-5th-generation-stealth-fighter-plane-to-take-off-in-february

[Aepsilons]

I will give credit where one deserves. We are talking about a technology demonstrator prototype. NOT A REAL stealth prototype. There is nothing stealth in that aircraft beside it is a plane scale back 1/3 of a real aircraft that can fly. Any country can accomplish that, including the Indian.



Knowing how useless the F2, aka F-16 copy, was. Overprice and lack of capabilities. There is a reason they closed that program and chose to use upgraded US- F-16 and bought F-35. It was a fail program and I don't expect the same result with this tech demonstrator. They need to prove themselves first before we can give them the benefit of doubts.

Such high expectations from you and many others with the same mind, i suppose that means we Japanese have to double our efforts. Anyways, thanks for putting the 'bar' high for us. A challenge taken.

 

[C130]

I must correct this statement; the atd x shinshin is not the actual 'fighter' per se, its merely the training platform from which an eventual product will be strained.

We will , ultimately, aim to design 2 variants of our 5th generation air superiority fighter:

• F3
• F3E

The F3, F3A will ultimately replace our Air Fleet of F-15Js.

nice. so that's a cranked arrow design

 

[Aepsilons]

An informative post! This is first time I ever come across F3, do you have more info? Maybe a sticky thread is good.

Pleasure is mine, bro. I'll post more , for sure!

Anyways, salute to your military as well.

 

[$@rJen]

I must correct this statement; the atd x shinshin is not the actual 'fighter' per se, its merely the training platform from which an eventual product will be strained.

We will , ultimately, aim to design 2 variants of our 5th generation air superiority fighter:

• F3
• F3E

The F3, F3A will ultimately replace our Air Fleet of F-15Js.

Dude, F3E looks like a Kick ***, Is it Single Engined or Dual??

 

[Pangu]

Finally. Looking forward to see video of this bird in the sky. The F-3E definitely looks impressive!

 

[xunzi]

Such high expectations from you and many others with the same mind, i suppose that means we Japanese have to double our efforts. Anyways, thanks for putting the 'bar' high for us. A challenge taken.

I will not give credit until you prove just as nobody gave us credit until we proved it. I'm not a cheerleader and an asskisser. Again, don't expect people to hand you a trophy without playing in the game.

 

[Aepsilons]

nice. so that's a cranked arrow design

The F3E design makes it a bomber-focused variant. Ultimately, it will be useful when being launched from JMSDF's future Type 90 class super carriers.

Ship length is 285 meters, or 935 feet. This is just slightly longer than HMS Queen Elizabeth, but about 70 feet shorter than the PLAN’s ex-Varyag. I think we can safely put this in the same displacement category as Queen Elizabeth, or 65,000 tons. She will have the capability to hold up to 40 units of fighters (a mix between F35C, F3, F3E, ShinmaywaUS2, et al).

Dude, F3E looks like a Kick ***, Is it Single Engined or Dual??

Dual.

I will not give credit until you prove just as nobody gave us credit until we proved it. I'm not a cheerleader and an asskisser. Again, don't expect people to hand you a trophy without playing in the game.

Of course, as I said, the challenge is taken. But we are inspired by China's success of its own 5th gen project, the J-20. It will definitely be a high bar to stack up to, considering the Chinese partners' abilities and focus! Anyways, we Japanese are never known to back down to any challenge, despite how big it is.

 

[Bornubus]

Of course there will be challenges to any major project such as these. I suppose Japan is inspired by thee successes of our Chinese partners in their own J-20 project, as well as in the successful joint projects between China and the Pakistani air force in producing the J10/J17 variants.

Anyways, best of luck to all.



Its not as exposed as India's impressive Brahmos project , but i suppose functions the same. Tho what I admire about India's Brahmos project is that it collaborates the expertise of both Indian military scientists and Russian peers. Perhaps in the future there would be ample opportunity for Japan , India, Russia and possibly even China to collaborate on such projects.

But Japan has strict policy in defense sector,you hardly export Small Arms let alone JV on Hypersonic Missiles.

Japan can tap a huge market worth Billion of dollars,plus the 3 world is fed up with cheap reverse engineered crap.

 

[rcrmj]

its funny to see loads of Indian here put hopes on this scaled down demonstrator, and not flown yet!```it is a long long way for japan to make a state-of-art fighter jets```at the end day, its not like making an economical commercial vehicle, or optical lens or digital display```

Japan is still at infant stage in terms of the basic aerodynamic reaches and development, and its aerial combat system and turbofan techs are right next to zero without U.S licences`` it is a fact

 

[Aepsilons]

But Japan has strict policy in defense sector,you hardly export Small Arms let alone JV on Hypersonic Missiles.

Japan can tap a huge market worth Billion of dollars,plus the 3 world is fed up with cheap reverse engineered crap.

I think the reason for such 'restriction' was due to the inhibitive placements leveled on Japan by our American partners after the war. Do you know that in the Japanese constitution (which was written by American military men immediately after the war) had specifically placed that Japan would be "unallowed" to develop export-focused military material, or Japan should be directed not to export military material as it would be "contrary" to the Japanese alliance with America. lol.

Trust me, i'm no America-hater, i respect America (heck i live and work here), but at the same time the restrictions that America had leveled on Japan truly inhibited Japan on the production level and up to the policy level.

It was only recently , my friend @Bornubus , the summer of 2015 to be exact, that under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe -- Japan had removed that clause in the Japanese constitution that had strictly forbidden Japanese military exportation (they placed that clause in the constitution to begin with). After that was done, Abe then also removed the clause in our constitution that had forbidden Japan to wage war on a defensive scale. The next goal is to totally re-write the Japanese constitution , and the goal is to have this realized by the 2017 time frame.

We have Obama to thank for this, of course. And hopefully when Clinton wins in 2016, we can expect to see a totally revitalized Japan, one that can take part in global military arms trade and development --- competitively.

Japan is still at infant stage in terms of the basic aerodynamic reaches and development, and its aerial combat system and turbofan techs are right next to zero without U.S licences`` it is a fact

Sadly there is truth to this, thanks in part to US restrictive policies in Japan. In fact the restrictive policies America had leveled on Japan is FAR MORE restrictive that what she had leveled on Germany and/or Italy, lol.

It is as if America does not trust Japan. I don't understand why, really.

But , we have to make due with this reality. Work on what we have, work on even with American 'concern'.

 

[Bornubus]

I think the reason for such 'restriction' was due to the inhibitive placements leveled on Japan by our American partners after the war. Do you know that in the Japanese constitution (which was written by American military men immediately after the war) had specifically placed that Japan would be "unallowed" to develop export-focused military material, or Japan should be directed not to export military material as it would be "contrary" to the Japanese alliance with America. lol.

Trust me, i'm no America-hater, i respect America (heck i live and work here), but at the same time the restrictions that America had leveled on Japan truly inhibited Japan on the production level and up to the policy level.

It was only recently , my friend @Bornubus , the summer of 2015 to be exact, that under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe -- Japan had removed that clause in the Japanese constitution that had strictly forbidden Japanese military exportation (they placed that clause in the constitution to begin with). After that was done, Abe then also removed the clause in our constitution that had forbidden Japan to wage war on a defensive scale. The next goal is to totally re-write the Japanese constitution , and the goal is to have this realized by the 2017 time frame.

We have Obama to thank for this, of course. And hopefully when Clinton wins in 2016, we can expect to see a totally revitalized Japan, one that can take part in global military arms trade and development --- competitively.



Sadly there is truth to this, thanks in part to US restrictive policies in Japan. In fact the restrictive policies America had leveled on Japan is FAR MORE restrictive that what she had leveled on Germany and/or Italy, lol.

It is as if America does not trust Japan. I don't understand why, really.

But , we have to make due with this reality. Work on what we have, work on even with American 'concern'.

Yes sir,i am aware of it and sure a country which gave Kaizen,6 Sigma to the business world and had a impressive military industry during and before world war can develop a 5 th Gen jet from scratch,you have the means and the resources both Human and Economic.


I am also aware that you have the ability,expertise and material to make 1000 Nukes within a year and long range missiles based on SLVs of Japanese Space program.

Japan need Nationalist leaders like Abe,i happy that he got rid japan from earlier pacifist policy.

 

[Aepsilons]

Yes sir,i aware of it and sure a country which gave Kaizen,6 Sigma to the business world and had a impressive military industry during world war can develop a 5 th Gen jet from scratch,you have the means and the resources both Human and Economic.


I am also aware that you have the ability,expertise and material to make 1000 Nukes within a year.

Japan need Nationalist leaders like Abe,i happy that he got rid japan from earlier pacifist policy.

In the 'spirit' of omnidirectionality, i think Japan aims to be like India, Indonesia, Pakistan and China in the sense of having a "Non-Alignment" Policy. A non-alignment policy allows a nation to cooperate with every partner without fear of "hurting" any abstractist notion of a regional alliance system.

Japan has been forced into the American regional alliance system immediately after the war, whether we like to say it or not. It was not by choice, but by expectation as we had been a defeated AXIS power. An unfortunate aspect for any nation to experience.

What is also unfortunate is that everything Japan has stood for, in terms of regional policy initiatives, have always been dragged down or limited due to having to appease this abstractist regional alliance expectation, even when it hurts Japan's interest. Ultimately it benefits America's interest and Japan is not really a voluntary member of this regional alliance system, but was forced into it. Japanese of today were either born after the war and thus have known nothing but this imposed alliance system. Hence it is not by choice to be 'against' China or 'pro' China, or 'against' America or 'pro' America. It was dictated upon; it had shaped Japanese foreign policy for the past 70 years, it had prevented Japan's formal peace process with Russia, ability to resolve issues with Korea and China.

Having this in mind we have to understand Japan's goals and initiatives to build such weapons of war; it is not necessarily made to counter China or to 'hurt' China, but is designed to protect Japanese independence and national solidarity. Ultimately, i see the potential of Japan clashing with the United States as there will come a time where Japan will say no to the United States and the alliance system that had been set in place for the past 70 odd years will no longer be a reality in the Pacific Region. And when that time comes, Japan must prepare for the ability to protect her interest. Who ever that foe will be.

 

[Tipu7]

I saw F3E in a tribute video four years ago. At first I thought that building such aircraft with no tail is even possible? May be it's just fan made stuff.
Than I saw United States 6thG project and realised that yes it can be made possible.
So I assume that if Stealth is primary feature of 5thG aircrafts then possibly This new revolutionary aerodynamic tail less design be most prominent feature of sixth generation aircrafts...... They will become reality or not, time will tell...... but it's good to assume how the "future" aircrafts will look like.....

 

[Aepsilons]

I saw F3E in a tribute video four years ago. At first I thought that building such aircraft with no tail is even possible? May be it's just fan made stuff.
Than I saw United States 6thG project and realised that yes it can be made possible.
So I assume that if Stealth is primary feature of 5thG aircrafts then possibly This new revolutionary aerodynamic tail less design be most prominent feature of sixth generation aircrafts...... They will become reality or not, time will tell...... but it's good to assume how the "future" aircrafts will look like.....

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[Tipu7]

How it will get vertical stabilisation?
I mean which thing will do the role of "tail".....?

 

[Aepsilons]

How it will get vertical stabilisation?
I mean which thing will do the role of "tail".....?

First of all it is important to have a fighter, air superiority or attack based , to have more than one engine, possibly having an engine that will have variable cycle ability as this will be important to extension of range for any fighter. For Japan, which is a archipelagic power and with a deigns to reach any part of her islands, or to project air power through Japan’s carriers (Japan will be constructing a super carrier , the type 90 class). The importance of having an adaptive cycle engine is to deliver higher thrust, increase fuel efficiency (decrease consumption), and ultimately increases the range and strike distance ability. As for the tail, especially the vertical tail, it is designed to balance the center or graity, the center of lift , which are not in the same position. These two forces (lift and gravity) do not necessarily work at the same position in regards to 3rd or 4th generation aircraft with current aircrames. However, the F3E will have an airframe that demonstrates stability and harmonization of the forces of lift and gravity, thereby unecessitating the need of a vertical tail. It is a 6th gen fighter that will be so ahead of the league.

In other words, rear vertical tail systems will be phased out, as airframes will balance the forces: