Japan to construct 8 Aegis destroyer system from 2015

[C130]

How many destroyers does China have?

I don't know the exact number
but it's the 052C,052D, and upcomming 055 class that are almost equalivent to Western destroyers and AEGIS.

I suspect they want over 50 such ships.

 

[applesauce]

How many destroyers does China have?

technically 30+, however only about ~20 is consider to be modern or somewhat modern

there are still 051's in service which is very old now and in fact it weighs less than a 054A frigate, navies everywhere uses destinations like "destroyer" "frigate" and "crusier" very loosely

for the near future, we think PLAN wants about 12 052D and an unknown number of 055, which would dramatically increase PLAN firepower

 

[Zarvan]

technically 30+, however only about ~20 is consider to be modern or somewhat modern

there are still 051's in service which is very old now and in fact it weighs less than a 054A frigate, navies everywhere uses destinations like "destroyer" "frigate" and "crusier" very loosely

for the near future, we think PLAN wants about 12 052D and an unknown number of 055, which would dramatically increase PLAN firepower

And How many cruise Missiles would be there on Type 55

 

[applesauce]

And How many cruise Missiles would be there on Type 55

it is rumored to hold 112 VLS, technically speaking, every single VLS could be used for cruise missiles. realistically though they would not use them all only for cruise missiles. so the answer to your questions, is, it depends on the mission the 055 is on.

 

[PRC2025]

technically 30+, however only about ~20 is consider to be modern or somewhat modern

there are still 051's in service which is very old now and in fact it weighs less than a 054A frigate, navies everywhere uses destinations like "destroyer" "frigate" and "crusier" very loosely

for the near future, we think PLAN wants about 12 052D and an unknown number of 055, which would dramatically increase PLAN firepower

Yeah, I wouldn't count 051 in the total numbers. So I would say somewhere between 17-19 either modern or somewhat modern destroyers.

2 052D as 2nd one is about to be ready and commissioned, and there are another 5 or 6 in various levels of construction. At least another 2 will be ready sometime during 2015, but I am not counting them in here, so lets say 2 for the year of 2014.

6 052C

2 051C

2 052B

1 051B

2 052

4 Sovremenny (2 of them more upgraded)

Total of 19 destroyers, but PLAN has almost 20 054A frigates, so that's a modern force that is also worth mentioning, and cannot be ignored. There are also another 2 "standard" 054 frigates, total number 22 by the beginning of next year, as 20th 054A has been launched a month ago already and will soon be commissioned.

So I am not counting old 051, or any other older frigates such as 053 and other various upgrades of this class.

I am also not counting 056 corvettes, even though they are new and modern. I am also not counting 022 missile boats, that are stealthy and China has 83 of them, and they do pack a LOT of missiles though. They shouldn't be ignored as they are fast and small plattforms that pack together massive number of anti-ship missiles, and could operate in those areas within the First Island Chain if needed.

Regarding modern SSK, China has 38 - I am counting only modern ones (Improved Kilos, Song & Yuan-class), Japan has total of 16 SSK (11 Oyashio and 5 Soryu) I haven't counted PLAN's SSNs here.

Not to mention that PLAAF har about 2,5 times more modern fighters than Japan has. Then you have H-6K bomber to launch another massive pack of missiles without problems from the Chinese mainland in addition to all other land-based missile systems on the mainland.

Regarding Japanese destroyers, I would say they have as of now 24 either modern or somewhat modern destroyers or frigates.

4 Kongos, 2 Atago, 4 Akizuki, 5 Takanami, and 9 Murasame where at least 5 Murasames are already from the 1990s and somewhat old / somewhat modern.

If you take away 4 Sovs of PLAN and 2 052 then PLAN has 13. If you take out all Murasame, Japan has 15.

From now on and towards 2020 and beyond, there is no doubt who has the power and building technology to start building serious number of destroyers. As you mentioned, there will be 12 052D and 055 is going to be layed down already next year while Japan will build 1 Atago and spend 5 years to build one.

So by 2018 when all 12 052Ds are ready and couple of 055 too, then China is already by that time above the very modern numbers of destroyers compared to Japan.

In the meantime, PLAN will be pumping out 5,000 tonne stealthy frigates also of course, which will be successor to those 20-22 modern 054/054A now. So by 2018, most likely add another 8-10 frigates to already existing number.

Then even more SSNs and SSKs of course. And missiles in general, and even more fighters, etc etc.

Basically, the crazier the Abe is, the larger military spending will China have, and that's a numbers game Japan is definitely going to lose big time. As mentioned, he is the "best" reason for increased military spending. He just keeps giving "gifts"

May he be "prime minister" forever

 

[Zarvan]

Yeah, I wouldn't count 051 in the total numbers. So I would say somewhere between 17-19 either modern or somewhat modern destroyers.

2 052D as 2nd one is about to be ready and commissioned, and there are another 5 or 6 in various levels of construction. At least another 2 will be ready sometime during 2015, but I am not counting them in here, so lets say 2 for the year of 2014.

6 052C

2 051C

2 052B

1 051B

2 052

4 Sovremenny (2 of them more upgraded)

Total of 19 destroyers, but PLAN has almost 20 054A frigates, so that's a modern force that is also worth mentioning, and cannot be ignored. There are also another 2 "standard" 054 frigates, total number 22 by the beginning of next year, as 20th 054A has been launched a month ago already and will soon be commissioned.

So I am not counting old 051, or any other older frigates such as 053 and other various upgrades of this class.

I am also not counting 056 corvettes, even though they are new and modern. I am also not counting 022 missile boats, that are stealthy and China has 83 of them, and they do pack a LOT of missiles though. They shouldn't be ignored as they are fast and small plattforms that pack together massive number of anti-ship missiles, and could operate in those areas within the First Island Chain if needed.

Regarding modern SSK, China has 38 - I am counting only modern ones (Improved Kilos, Song & Yuan-class), Japan has total of 16 SSK (11 Oyashio and 5 Soryu) I haven't counted PLAN's SSNs here.

Not to mention that PLAAF har about 2,5 times more modern fighters than Japan has. Then you have H-6K bomber to launch another massive pack of missiles without problems from the Chinese mainland in addition to all other land-based missile systems on the mainland.

Regarding Japanese destroyers, I would say they have as of now 24 either modern or somewhat modern destroyers or frigates.

4 Kongos, 2 Atago, 4 Akizuki, 5 Takanami, and 9 Murasame where at least 5 Murasames are already from the 1990s and somewhat old / somewhat modern.

If you take away 4 Sovs of PLAN and 2 052 then PLAN has 13. If you take out all Murasame, Japan has 15.

From now on and towards 2020 and beyond, there is no doubt who has the power and building technology to start building serious number of destroyers. As you mentioned, there will be 12 052D and 055 is going to be layed down already next year while Japan will build 1 Atago and spend 5 years to build one.

So by 2018 when all 12 052Ds are ready and couple of 055 too, then China is already by that time above the very modern numbers of destroyers compared to Japan.

In the meantime, PLAN will be pumping out 5,000 tonne stealthy frigates also of course, which will be successor to those 20-22 modern 054/054A now. So by 2018, most likely add another 8-10 frigates to already existing number.

Then even more SSNs and SSKs of course. And missiles in general, and even more fighters, etc etc.

Basically, the crazier the Abe is, the larger military spending will China have, and that's a numbers game Japan is definitely going to lose big time. As mentioned, he is the "best" reason for increased military spending. He just keeps giving "gifts"

May he be "prime minister" forever

China has strong Navy and its getting more stronger by every few months and with modern fighter jets equipped with cruise and anti ship missiles is most deadly thing

 

[atatwolf]

May tengri's blessings be with Japan.

 

[cnleio]

I don't know the exact number
but it's the 052C,052D, and upcomming 055 class that are almost equalivent to Western destroyers and AEGIS.

At end of 2014 year, PLAN has 8x 052C/D DDGs.

5x 052C (N.o170,171,150,151,152) join PLAN, 1x 052C sea trial (N.o153)

1x 052D (N.o172) join PLAN, 1x 052D sea trial (N.o173)

055 will begin to build at end of 2014, the first batch is 8x 055 in DaLian and JN shipyard.

 

[Genesis]

Yeah, I wouldn't count 051 in the total numbers. So I would say somewhere between 17-19 either modern or somewhat modern destroyers.

2 052D as 2nd one is about to be ready and commissioned, and there are another 5 or 6 in various levels of construction. At least another 2 will be ready sometime during 2015, but I am not counting them in here, so lets say 2 for the year of 2014.

6 052C

2 051C

2 052B

1 051B

2 052

4 Sovremenny (2 of them more upgraded)

Total of 19 destroyers, but PLAN has almost 20 054A frigates, so that's a modern force that is also worth mentioning, and cannot be ignored. There are also another 2 "standard" 054 frigates, total number 22 by the beginning of next year, as 20th 054A has been launched a month ago already and will soon be commissioned.

So I am not counting old 051, or any other older frigates such as 053 and other various upgrades of this class.

I am also not counting 056 corvettes, even though they are new and modern. I am also not counting 022 missile boats, that are stealthy and China has 83 of them, and they do pack a LOT of missiles though. They shouldn't be ignored as they are fast and small plattforms that pack together massive number of anti-ship missiles, and could operate in those areas within the First Island Chain if needed.

Regarding modern SSK, China has 38 - I am counting only modern ones (Improved Kilos, Song & Yuan-class), Japan has total of 16 SSK (11 Oyashio and 5 Soryu) I haven't counted PLAN's SSNs here.

Not to mention that PLAAF har about 2,5 times more modern fighters than Japan has. Then you have H-6K bomber to launch another massive pack of missiles without problems from the Chinese mainland in addition to all other land-based missile systems on the mainland.

Regarding Japanese destroyers, I would say they have as of now 24 either modern or somewhat modern destroyers or frigates.

4 Kongos, 2 Atago, 4 Akizuki, 5 Takanami, and 9 Murasame where at least 5 Murasames are already from the 1990s and somewhat old / somewhat modern.

If you take away 4 Sovs of PLAN and 2 052 then PLAN has 13. If you take out all Murasame, Japan has 15.

From now on and towards 2020 and beyond, there is no doubt who has the power and building technology to start building serious number of destroyers. As you mentioned, there will be 12 052D and 055 is going to be layed down already next year while Japan will build 1 Atago and spend 5 years to build one.

So by 2018 when all 12 052Ds are ready and couple of 055 too, then China is already by that time above the very modern numbers of destroyers compared to Japan.

In the meantime, PLAN will be pumping out 5,000 tonne stealthy frigates also of course, which will be successor to those 20-22 modern 054/054A now. So by 2018, most likely add another 8-10 frigates to already existing number.

Then even more SSNs and SSKs of course. And missiles in general, and even more fighters, etc etc.

Basically, the crazier the Abe is, the larger military spending will China have, and that's a numbers game Japan is definitely going to lose big time. As mentioned, he is the "best" reason for increased military spending. He just keeps giving "gifts"

May he be "prime minister" forever

couldn't have said it better myself, except the part of Abe, I don't think it matters what he does.

We are a major power, we are not really influence by what a dude living in lala land thinks and does.

It's not like if Budda was the PM of Japan we would go any slower.

We go by our own pace. It just so happens, our own pace is quite fast.