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China will fall into chaos because it has no ideology to keep the people's loyalty. They have nothing that resonates with the masses. At least in the 60s, China had comunism. Now they have nothing. The only ideology that seems to be in China now is chongyangmeiwai. With correct ideology, there will be stability no matter how poor a country is financially. The richness will only empower the west even more. The west has stated many times that they will, in times of crisis, mobilize the 300 million Chinese bourgeoisie against the Deng dynasty just like they did back in 89. The idea that richness will bring loyalty is a joke. Xingjiang's Rebia Kadir was the richest woman in China. Notice her richness did not make her loyal to China. Wealthy Chinese tends to favor the west, so the bigger the bourgeoisie class grows, the more soldiers the west will have against China. Notice how in my previous post I said that China is going against its own interests. The Chinese leaders are waiting for $20k, so they can help China collapse like the USSR. Or as the Chinese will say, feed this pig til he gets fat before you slaughter it.

Without an offensive, China is doomed, but how can you expect a bunch of sell outs to create an offensive? While the west has successfully created problems for China, China has done nothing to create problems for the west. At least in the 60s, China was backing the black power movement. They can't even do that today. What a pity.

What we have today is a one way war, a war in which the west is constantly creating problems for the west, and backing China's enemies. What's China's response you ask? Non interference. That's right ladies and gentlemen. China practices non interference while the west practices full contact inteference. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who will win, or why the west has the lead right now.

They say never bring a gun to a knife fight, and China is precisely bringing a knife. China thinks that if it matches the west's military, it will survive, but that wont be true. The USSR also matched the US militarily, but look what happened to them. If you don't match the west's soft power, you are doomed.

HK is theoretically over the 20k limit, but guess what? In 2014, the west clapped their hands, and Hongers rioted. Why is that? It's because the Chinese don't have the correct ideology, and do not have anything to pursuade Hongers to be patriotic or loyal to their country. The treasonous Chinese leaders have, in 20 years, done nothing to bring HK closer to China. In fact, we can argue that Hongers are more anti Chinese than they were in 1966. Money, cannot, and does not buy stability. Now, I will tell you, if China responded by creating a riot in NY after the 2014 HK riots, then the west may think twice before starting another one, but as far as we know, the west is indeed planning another one that was bigger than the one in 2014, and as far as we know, China can't control it. The ones who masterminded the riots got a slap on the wrist. This can only tell us that China is in a weakened state. If I were to mastermind such an umbrela revolution in Chicago, I'd probably be facing life in prison.
CN ideology is “socialism with Chinese characteristics”, its a copy of Lenin new economy policy( NEP) that allowed private sector to run bussiness under Govt control. But as u said, the bourgeoisie always tend to favour the West, thats why after Lenin died, his NEP also gone cos Soviet Govt. couldnt control the private sector. Lenin NEP only appled in short time, thats why many ppl dont know abt it.

Same problem for CN after copying Lenin NEP now. Private companies like Tencent feel unfair when competing wt state owned enteprises and surprisingly, Tencent secretly support Trump's tariff to weaken state owned enteprises ( and may overthrow Xi in near future wt US's support :laugh:)

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To such people, Xi appears largely uninterested in economic issues, preferring to focus on making the Chinese Communist Party great again, for example by enhancing the party’s control of state-owned enterprises and inserting its role into the articles of association of companies, including three dozen traded in Hong Kong. Senior officials in Beijing also seem unwilling to expend political capital to push through tough changes.

What’s more, government involvement in some areas, especially the consumer technology sector, has become noticeably more heavy-handed over the past year. In the second quarter, $342 billion gaming and social-media giant Tencent 0700.HK recorded its first year-on-year earnings decline since 2005 as the government implemented a freeze on new video game approvals and launched a crackdown on the industry, in part to combat myopia and addiction among children. Tencent has seen 40 percent of its market value, or some $240 billion, wiped out since January.

Meanwhile Zhang Yiming, the founder of one of China’s hottest new tech enterprises, Beijing ByteDance Technology, offered a public apology earlier this year after officials forced the company to suspend downloads of its most famous app, Toutiao, while another of the company’s smaller products was shut down altogether. Overall, it’s easy to see why many in China’s private sector are downbeat on the policy outlook.

As a result, reformers hope Trump may prove to be an external catalyst for change. If the U.S. president can move the Chinese leadership by wielding the blunt instrument of higher tariffs, the thinking goes, it might spur market openings that party officials would otherwise prefer to avoid. That in turn could help private companies to compete more effectively, especially with state-owned enterprises.

https://www.google.com.vn/amp/s/www.zawya.com/mena/en/story/amp/TR20181121nL4N1XW2GRX2/
 
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Socialism with Chinese characteristics is not popular, and does not have a following internationally. In fact, it doesn't even mean anything. Back then, China respected workers, and farmers. China fought crime, imperialism, and decadence. As I mentioned in another post, China also preached internationalism, proletariat around the world unite. That was an idea that people could get behind. Socialism with Chinese characteristics. I'm sorry, but I can't get behind that. Today's China says there are no friends, only interests. You can see why the majority of people in China, and around the world would be turned off by that. China's slogan should be America first, because that's what they practice.
 
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Socialism with Chinese characteristics is not popular, and does not have a following internationally. In fact, it doesn't even mean anything. Back then, China respected workers, and farmers. China fought crime, imperialism, and decadence. As I mentioned in another post, China also preached internationalism, proletariat around the world unite. That was an idea that people could get behind. Socialism with Chinese characteristics. I'm sorry, but I can't get behind that. Today's China says there are no friends, only interests. You can see why the majority of people in China, and around the world would be turned off by that. China's slogan should be America first, because that's what they practice.
CN would keep fighting against crime, imperialism, and decadence If its PLA could fight well in real battle, but it could not ( cos Cnese characteristic r coward and stupid in fighting ) while Soviet &VN army fight much better than PLA ( Soviet army got the best weapon, VN soldiers r brave and smart specially VN special force ), so Mao and Deng feel CN is so inferior in comunist bloc.

Thats the reason why after VN defeat US in 1975, communist CN and N.Korea quickly turn to support Pol Pot and begged for help from US- JP in 1978 to counter Soviet-VN threat that containg CN from North and South.

CN is in a very difficult situation now, US keep slapping more sanction while Cnese private companies like Tencent turn to support Trump to demand a better competion wt state owned enterprises ( and may overthrow Xi after that when Tencent is powerful enough).

Base on my prediction few years ago.there r abt 1 billion Xi hater in CN, not just 300 million bourgeoisie like u said. Much more Cnese love Tencent than king Xi evil cos Tencent can create more jobs wt more money :laugh:
 
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PLA had some good fighters, especially under Lin Biao, but obviously today's PLA is a completely different thing. In the 60s, Vietnamese fighters were being trained by the PLA, so we can agree that the PLA was good up until at least 1975. I was talking to a 90 something year old Chinese soldier this Spring who served in Myanmar during WW2 under the KMT regime, alongside the US, and from what he told me, the Chinese troops were superior to the Americans. During this time, China was allied with the US. He said the Americans didn't want to get their hands dirty, and were afraid to die. The soldier was still standing strong at 90+ years old, and carrying his own weight. He didn't require a cane or any assistance, and was traveling back and forth from the mainland to TW all on his own. Still, even the PLA 40-50 years old are strong, and tough. The ones I have met have been strong, disciplined, and unafraid of hard work. I believe there is a video out there surfacing of a competition between the Chinese and US marines in an obstacle course, and the Chinese soldiers won. I don't believe American strength comes from their troops. Their true strength comes from their desire to defeat the enemy, and willingness to do anything it takes to crush their enemies. American strength comes from covert operations, and their ability to buy out their enemy. China simply doesn't have that heart. Compared to 1966, only a small handful of Chinese actually have faith in their country. Today's China is even more fragmented than it was in 1948.

I don't know how good Chinese soldiers are today. They haven't fought in 40 years, although I suspect they've gotten soft, but today's Vietnamese troops haven't been tested either. And if China falls, I suspect the US will go after Vietnam soon after. Just like how the west went after China after the USSR fell. At that point Vietnam will become another Syria, and almost certainly overseas Vietnamese will be used against Vietnam. Not only that, the US is certain to also go after India, because the west does not like independent countries, and India has proclaimed itself as an independent country. The USSR had the upper hand in the Soviet bloc, but Mao ought to be respected for sticking to his principles, at least up until 1971, 18 yrs after the USSR had abandoned its principles. I don't think Xiaoping begged for help from the US. What is more likely to be true is that Xiaoping invaded Vietnam to prove himself as a worthy ally (儿皇帝) to the US, which turned out to be a stupid decision because the US tried to overthrow him in 89. That's the popular consensus. There may be 1 billion people who don't like Xi, but that doesn't mean all 1 billion of those people can be tools for the west, and they don't like Xi for different reasons. A lot of Chinese don't like Xi, or the west. Many of them don't like Xi because of his associations with the west, so I doubt they will be sympathetic towards the west. Only those on the far right can be considered reliable for the west, which is at the most 300 million, but out of those 300 million, how many can be counted on for actual combat? One thing we have to remember about bourgeoisie is that they are very calculating people. They also love living luxuriously, so not all of them are willing to get their hands dirty, or put in any kind of work whatsoever. And not all bourgeoisie are against Xi. Most of them live comfortable lives, and don't want any disruptions. But those are only current situations. It could be that in 10 years, when China gets "richer" that the political climate changes, and the west makes gains through propaganda. At that point, it is likely more CN bourgeoisie will be willing to fight for the US, and the circumstances will be more favorable towards the west. As I've said before, the normal pattern is, the "richer" a country becomes, the more sympathetic they become towards the west, because through business, the west is able to gain control over countries, and that has been happening quickly in CN for the past 40 years. What history has shown us is that countries can be overthrown by a small group of bourgeoisie, even though the west failed in 89 against China, but today's China is much different. The pro western forces have been growing at a rapid rate for the past 30 years, and continues to grow. As China agresively opens up its markets, ultimately, they will be opening themselves up to destabilization as well. That's the way it works. If you want a market economy, political interference is guaranteed.

Big disruptions can be made by a small group of bourgeoisie. 70% of Soviets voted to stay in the USSR, however, it was a group of no less than 10% of bourgeoisie who changed the entire landscape of the USSR. More recently, the pro Russian Ukraine, led by Yanukovych, and before that, all of eastern Europe fell in a similar fashion. Hong Kong is another example. The main reason why the west will prevail is because the west has shown itself time and time again that they are determined to dispose of the Deng dynasty, whereas the Deng dynasty has shown no signs of retaliation, or even intentions of retaliation. Even when China sold billions in US dollars, the CN media had to come out with a statement saying that it was not a move against the US. I've said this before, when a country is using all its might against you, and you practice "non interference", you are guaranteed to lose. What's worse is that China is actually funding the west to undermine China.
 
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the richer China got, the more control the west had over China...Bingo, 100% correct ! only Cnese trying to believe that Deng is so smart to "lead CN out of darkness " while actually Deng had to accept the US's control over TW and the surrounding water plus the support from CN to destroy Soviet.

US didnt quickly turn CN to the next target after Soviet dead bcs US didnt have another serious economy crisis till 2008. After 2008, US realize that she need big money to stop the crisis, thats the reason why CN become US's target now (CN chaos will help US sell billion USD weapon to CN rebel in Xizhang, Xingjiang, HK etc ).

Btw: I predict CN will be in chaos in 2023 due to US sanction and TPP, how abt your prediction ??

I don't know when CN will be in chaos, but the situation today is not favorable. I've said this before, but I don't think China's collapse will be due to sanctions, rather, China's collapse will be due to actors from within the Deng dynasty who are working for the west. These people will remove players who are more patriotic, while enacting policies that are unfavorable for China. One countries two systems is such an unfavorable policy. The promotion of western entertainment is another. Certainly the "non interference" policy sits at the core of the problem. Waiting for GDP/capita to hit 20k is another excuse to allow the west to do whatever they want. When the Chinese say "let me wait until 20k to start fighting", it's another way of saying let me wait until my cancer reaches stage 4 until I go get treatment. Today's China doesn't even realize it has cancer. Most of the Chinese on these forums still think that China is getting stronger, and better. They use these ridiculous examples of how skyscrapers=prosperity, but they will soon find out that isn't the case. Skyscrapers couldn't save HK from occupy central, and it wont save them when the west creates a bigger incident.

Today's China is uninterested in defending its interests. The Chinese will often say, wait until I reach 20k, and I will go to war with your, or wait until TW declares independense, and I will go to war. But people who are serious about defending their interests don't think about things in a black and white mindset. There are many ways to defend your interests without going to war. If today's China is unwilling to even make a website to criticise the west, it shows that China is not comited to defense at all, let alone going to the war anytime in the future. In other words, you don't just go from "non interference" to all out war. It just doesn't sound likely. On the other hand, look at the west, and see all the anti Chinese websites they've made. There must be hundreds of them. That shows that they are dedicated to their cause, and that's why people take the west seriously, and are afraid of them. Small gestures can go a long way. Chna doesn't care that its reputation has gone down the drains. This once again shows that China is uninterested in defending its own interests. When the west sensationalizes Chinese hiuman rights violations, and China does nothing to draw attention to hiuman rights violations in the west, then it shows China's incompetence. China may be able to match the west in weapon hardware, but is no match in soft power today.

China's nationalism is also a big problem, because it actually alienates foreigners. The brain washed Chinese I've talked to have the intention of repatriating TW/HK through nationalism, but that has proven to be a failure for the past 40yrs, as Hongers and Taiwanese are less patriotic than they were 50yrs ago, so nationalism does not work. What has worked is, China has alienated itself from the rest of the world. Honestly who wants to associate with a nationalist? In many ways, Trump has also made similar mistakes, but the US is in a different boat because they have the muscle to coerce anyone into doing anything. China does not.

Judging by the security situation in China, the west is planning something big. The fact that the US is introducing sanctions means that the west is ready to put increased pressure on China, including backing rebels. The US may even mobilize TW against China. China is losing allies. Just in these past few short years, China has lost Myanmar, Sri Lanka, and Malaysia. These are all allies going back 50+ yrs. If China loses Pakistan, then certainly the end is near. Enemies will usually go after allies before going after the target directly. Imperialists will isolate China before they go for the kill, so you have to watch North Korea, and Pakistan. As long as they're still standing, China will be. This is why China launched the one belt one road in an effort to buy support, but history has shown us that you can't buy support. China has given concesions to the west for 40 years, and the west is still against China, so it's a bit naive to believe that giving concesions can win you support. One of China's most serious mistakes is to believe that giving markets will bring loyalty. A carot without usage of the stick has limited use.
 
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I don't know when CN will be in chaos, but the situation today is not favorable. Judging by the security situation in China, the west is planning something big. The fact that the US is introducing sanctions means that the west is ready to put increased pressure on China, including backing rebels. The US may even mobilize TW against China. China is losing allies. Just in these past few short years, China has lost Myanmar, Sri Lanka, and Malaysia. These are all allies going back 50+ yrs. If China loses Pakistan, then certainly the end is near. Enemies will usually go after allies before going after the target directly. Imperialists will isolate China before they go for the kill, so you have to watch North Korea, and Pakistan. As long as they're still standing, China will be. This is why China launched the one belt one road in an effort to buy support, but history has shown us that you can't buy support. China has given concesions to the west for 40 years, and the west is still against China, so it's a bit naive to believe that giving concesions can win you support. One of China's most serious mistakes is to believe that giving markets will bring loyalty. A carot without usage of the stick has limited use.
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Excellent analyst, bro. CN surely lose the war when she can not protect her allies any more.:pop:
 
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I don't know how good Chinese soldiers are today. They haven't fought in 40 years, although I suspect they've gotten soft, but today's Vietnamese troops haven't been tested either. And if China falls, I suspect the US will go after Vietnam soon after. Just like how the west went after China after the USSR fell. At that point Vietnam will become another Syria, and almost certainly overseas Vietnamese will be used against Vietnam. Not only that, the US is certain to also go after India, because the west does not like independent countries, and India has proclaimed itself as an independent country. .
VN army is still Ok, we only stop fighting till 1988 after withdrawing troops from Laos-Cambodia and we still get good training from Russia. In 2014 oil rig conflict near Paracell islands, VN coast guard forced CN forces to retreat even when the number of CN ships were triple to VN forces.

When China falls, the US may go after Vietnam, but No US soldiers wanna fight wt VN anymore and the sanction alonewill not be trong enough to destroy VN economy as we will try to unify sub-Mekong to get bigger and stronger after CN's dead (CN begged JP-US's support to stop VN expansion since 1979 by attacking our border ). So US'd better leave VN alone.
 
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As corupt, and decadent as China is today, the world will be very frightening after China collapses, because it gives the west a green light to do whatever they want, and I don't want to see it. What we want is a multi polar world, not unipolar. Similarly, after the USSR collapsed, things got real bad around the world. If you look at the west internally, the collapse of the USSR almost destroyed the entire welfare system of the west, and turned the west into a police state. When the west runs out of enemies, they have all the time, and money in the world to go after us ordinary people.
 
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As corupt, and decadent as China is today, the world will be very frightening after China collapses, because it gives the west a green light to do whatever they want, and I don't want to see it. What we want is a multi polar world, not unipolar. Similarly, after the USSR collapsed, things got real bad around the world. If you look at the west internally, the collapse of the USSR almost destroyed the entire welfare system of the west, and turned the west into a police state. When the west runs out of enemies, they have all the time, and money in the world to go after us ordinary people.
Who strong enough will survive. If u want a real independence, then stand up and fight hard like VN.

Many countries r so lazy to fight and keep begging for US's mercy like SK-JP-TW etc then those countries r not worth to survive after CN collapse.Let US kill them all as they have No use anymore after CN collapse, bro.
 
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Communist Chinese are richer and have brighter future than the capitalist americans.
 
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I doubt that. Westerners are spending Chinese money. Chinese work only to lend money to the west, and buy expensive western products. It's a lose lose situation. Anyone can figure that out. And only a small % of Chinese are getting rich. 1/3 of rich Chinese have already emigrated, or are thinking about emigrating. The rich Chinese have no loyalty to China, just like the Deng dynasty. Capitalism with Chinese characteristics isn't working, and hasn't worked for 40 years straight. How many billions are Chinese students spending in the west, and how much are western students spending in China? It doesn't take a mathematician to figure that one out. And even today, Xi is praising the free market even though China is on the losing end. Will Xi be the next Gorbachev?
 
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I doubt that. Westerners are spending Chinese money. Chinese work only to lend money to the west, and buy expensive western products. It's a lose lose situation. Anyone can figure that out. And only a small % of Chinese are getting rich. 1/3 of rich Chinese have already emigrated, or are thinking about emigrating. The rich Chinese have no loyalty to China, just like the Deng dynasty. Capitalism with Chinese characteristics isn't working, and hasn't worked for 40 years straight. How many billions are Chinese students spending in the west, and how much are western students spending in China? It doesn't take a mathematician to figure that one out. And even today, Xi is praising the free market even though China is on the losing end. Will Xi be the next Gorbachev?
True, when u get rich, u will want to have your own army to protect u, not Xi's army that will kidnap u once day cos he just dont like u .

Thats why Tencent support Trump's tariff to overthrow Xi :)
 
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