J-20B (FC-20B) news

[The SC]

Yes simply yes most seniors here also know this in fact they were the ones who told this like @Horus


J-31 has been rejected and yes only J-20 will come with first order of only a squadron but than order will increase massively

When was the J-31 rejected? I have missed the news..

 

[ziaulislam]

Yes simply yes most seniors here also know this in fact they were the ones who told this like @Horus


J-31 has been rejected and yes only J-20 will come with first order of only a squadron but than order will increase massively

is J 20 available?
i dont know honestly
if it is it should be natural choice, atleast 2 squadrons
this along with 300 jf-17s and about 80-100 odd f-16s and you are set till your indigenous system comes up in 2030-2035 time frame

 

[war&peace]

so the earlier deal of su 35 done with russia??

Well, I'm not sure of any of the news but SU-35 is a 4.5 gen A/C while J-20 is 5th and Pakistan is looking for airplanes for both categories.

 

[Ultima Thule]

China ramping J20 stealth fighter production and should have improved WS-15 engine by 2019
| October 24, 2017 |

China’s Air Force released on its weibo social media account two pictures, which show four J-20 stealth fighter jets flying in formation.

As of 2017, it is reported that control system, stealth coatings and hull materials, and infrared sensors still have technical issues as does the reliability of its WS-15 engines.

Some prototypes use the 14-ton thrust derivative of the Russian AL-31 or Chinese Shenyang WS-10 turbofan engines as they target 2019-2020 for all J-20s to use the 18–19 ton WS-15 engine. The WS-15 will enable the J20 to super-cruise without using afterburners.

China’s homegrown powerful WS-15 engine for its most advanced stealth fighter J-20. Mil.huanqiu.com photo

A Chinese aviation engineer told China Military Online on March 13,2017 that they are optimistic that the new WS15 engine for the fifth-generation fighter aircraft will be ready soon. The engine’s development is proceeding well. They also have begun to design a next-generation aviation engine with a thrust-to-weight ratio that is much higher than that of current types,” he said.

They were still working are able to develop the two most important components in an advanced engine — the single crystal superalloy turbine blades and powder metallurgy superalloy turbine disks — but in mass production, the products’ quality is not very satisfactory.

There are online reports that China will deploy 4 air regiments of J-20 fighter jets by 2019. There are 96 fighter jets in 4 hinese air force regiments. It takes less than 3 years for China to build that many J-20s. In 2016, China had two J-20 production lines, one producing J-20 with Russian AL-31 engines and the other producing J-20A installed with China’s WS-10B Taihang engines.

A third production line has recently gone into operation to produce J-20A. As each line makes one J-20 a month, their combined production capacity will be 36 a year.

By the end of 2019, there will be a fourth J-20 production line for trial production of J-20B using China’s homegrown WS-15 Emei turbofans.

J-20B is an improved version of J-20 installed with China’s new homegrown powerful WS-15 Emei turbofans. China has already developed WS-15 all-direction vector turbofan with thrust-weight ratio of 10. The turbofan is now undergoing intensive tests and will be ready to be installed in J-20B by 2019, an improved version of J-20.

If the WS-15 meets design goals then J-20B’s cruise speed will be Mach 1.8 and maximum speed exceeds Mach 2.2. Those would equal the US F-22. China will produce 500 J-20B, more than the future total number of other fifth-generation fighter jets in Asia-Pacific.

The US F-22 was in production for 15 years (1996-2011), at a rate of roughly two per month during peak production. China would be about 23 years behind US jet and jet engine technology. China could possibly achieve in 2019 what the US had in 1996). China stole US F22 and F35 designs and technology. Around 2030, China could have 500 J20B and 100 J20 and J20A stealth fighters. The US would have 185 F22 and perhaps 1500 F35s.

About 66 F35’s will be made in 2017.

In 2021, full production rate of 150 F35s per year is planned.

The J-20 likely has inferior stealth to the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor stealth fighter aircraft or the F-35 Lightning II fighter. The J20 lacks thrust vectoring and is likely less maneuverable than American-made fifth-generation warplanes.

Russia has developed 99M1 to 99M4 improved versions of AL-31F, but China has also developed improved versions of WS-10, named WS-10A and WS-10B better than Russian ones with thrust-weight ratio of 9 than Russia’s 8.

China has a third-generation single-crystal blade used in WS-10B. It is reported to withstand 2000 degrees which enables engine life to be increased from 800 hours to 1,500 hours. This would be close to maintenance overhaul interval of western engines.

Just a false rumors, remember bro J-20 is currently banned for export just like F-22,here on PDF on J-20 news and discussion thread lots of Chinese senior members said that First WS-15 equipped J-20 wil not arrive before 2023, and remember J-20 is not a export oriented jet like J-31 is first customer will be PLAAF which needed in numbers as early as possible to counter emerging threats from USA (F-22,F-35), Japan (ATDX) and south korea (KFX), if Chineses allow to export it to Pakistan it will com Pakistan after 2025, it is impossible to induct J-20 to PAF in 2019 (First customer is PLAAF) not PAF) the whole article is crap and wishful thinking, use the commonsense @Hammad ur Rehman

Because it was never reported on media but Pakistanis are not pleased with J-31

In your wet dream ACM clearly said we interested in both jets (J-20,J-31)

 

[Zarvan]

Just a false rumors, remember bro J-20 is currently banned for export just like F-22,here on PDF on J-20 news and discussion thread lots of Chinese senior members said that First WS-15 equipped J-20 wil not arrive before 2023, and remember J-20 is not a export oriented jet like J-31 is first customer will be PLAAF which needed in numbers as early as possible to counter emerging threats from USA (F-22,F-35), Japan (ATDX) and south korea (KFX), if Chineses allow to export it to Pakistan it will com Pakistan after 2025, it is impossible to induct J-20 to PAF in 2019 (First customer is PLAAF) not PAF) the whole article is crap and wishful thinking, use the commonsense @Hammad ur Rehman


In your wet dream ACM clearly said we interested in both jets (J-20,J-31)

No ACM didn't said anything about J-31. He said we are interested in 5th Generation from China didn't mentioned which Jet and I can assure you J-31 chances are pretty much over

 

[Ultima Thule]

No ACM didn't said anything about J-31. He said we are interested in 5th Generation from China didn't mentioned which Jet and I can assure you J-31 chances are pretty much over

And you're in that PAF think tank and bay the way what your sources ACM personal secatory/advisor j-31 is more suitable option than J-20 and very much online
You always bring a fake and unconfirmed news to PDF , what happened to your Su-35 sega are they coming to Pakistan or not

 

[ziaulislam]

Yes it's Horus said a year ago that Pakistan has made official request for J-20 and Chinese have said yes


Because it was never reported on media but Pakistanis are not pleased with J-31

well, j 31 is not even ready yet, its more a techn demonstrator

 

[Safriz]

Rubbish
Chinese beaurocracy is slow and cumbersome.
They cleared J-10 for export only last year.
J-31 hasnt been cleared yet J-20 may never get export license.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Well PAF thinks other wise and yes J-31 is not suitable option as for my sources well yes you are close to know who my sources are. As for what happened to SU-35 well things keep going round and round. I don't bring a fake news Janab never has never will things being discussed mean all will get finalized. But SU-35 talks doesn't get over Russia keeps coming up with various offers.

I am asking you what your source ACM

 

[Ultima Thule]

Few guys who work at Kamra and other places at Air Force

Are they workmen in kamra. And PAF senior management officers at PAF/kamra

 

[jupiter2007]

Incorrect Title, I would have believed it if it was "PAF may possibly acquire J-20B 2025 onwards"

 

[Safriz]

Not workman mostly engineers and senior officers not very senior

Yaar J-20 is way too big for Pakistan's requirements.
Large twin engine jets suit countries who have to cover very large areas

 

[salarsikander]

Another bullshit thread by fan boys of PDF

 

[Zarvan]

Another bullshit thread by fan boys of PDF

Really well let see what happens.

 

[python-000]

first we here about j-10 then we listen j-31's are coming no updates about it & NOW J-20 are coming, whats going on bro