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Fas and all Pakistanio - What this Buzurg Gentleman Israr Ahmed is saying is the unadulterated TRUTH.

Draw your own conclusions.

The Army action in Swat has been clearly wrong, when you and your Govt has been reneging on your own commitments.

I had advocated a negotiated settlement to any wholesale slaughter. This is a time to think and think hard before taking the next step forward. Quetta and Balochistan are now in the crosshairs - a logical extension in the next phase - the 'AfPak Theatre'.
 
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For heavens sake! Do people have no love for Pakistan and Pakistanis? TTP is killing Pakistanis every day.

Ans so is the US in its countless drone attacks when that is the case do you have no love for Pakistani's or your views are only for certain Pakistani's living in certain area's.
 
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Like and dislike is not due to rational thinking but whosoever attacks US, may it be the butcher Saddam or Taliban bigots, naïve public loves them!

all tend to the drama on 9/11 let by USA, which clears who is who..

TTP is killing Pakistanis every day. About 380 suicide attacks this year alone. You have no compassion for the innocent Pakistanis killed and the properties destroyed by the Taliban suicide bombers? Has the hatred of the US clouded the judgment so much that as long as US interests are damaged; you don’t care if Pakistan is destroyed along with it? :hitwall:

yeah great, so, who send BM and AM back to pakistan? while 1000s of innocent pakistani are suffering in Guantanamo.. TTP is Indian (backed by USA asset), while whole world knows, Afghan Taliban are friends of Pakistan, and pakistani intelligence.. they don't attack pakistanis or pakistan..

Any how, Pakistan crushed TTP in swat, and will crush them in other pakistani areas.. the drama of defaming Taliban will end soon as well..
 
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Ans so is the US in its countless drone attacks when that is the case do you have no love for Pakistani's or your views are only for certain Pakistani's living in certain area's.

Did I ever mention drone attacks directly or indirectly? I am against drone attacks as any Pakistani. Attacking inside Pakistani territory by a foreign power tantamount to national insult. You wouldn’t hear a murmur against attacks on US installations and personnel from me.

I am deeply hurt when people try to give ethnic or provincial spin to my comments. Majority of the current wave of suicide bombings have been inside Pashtoon belt and the victims were also Pashtoons. Your and Hon Fracker's posts imply that killing innocents offering Friday prayers inside the mosque during Ramadan, as happened in Kyber Agency recently is justified because US drone killed Taliban bigots in Waziristan.

This reinforces my view that blind hate of the US has removed sanity in a large part of Pakistani public
 
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This reinforces my view that blind hate of the US has removed sanity in a large part of Pakistani public

Yes, I agree with that statement, and more importantly, this very hatred is being harvested by our enemies to destroy us, using our own brothers!

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WE have to ask ourselves some Hard Questions here :-

Is the pain they feel any less when we attack them with latest gadgets and weaponry than the pain we feel when they attack us with crude bombs and rifles?

Are their women, children, the old and the young any lesser human beings that they can be slaughtered, maimed and wounded with impunity, than us and our allies the Americans?

What gives America & the PA the moral high ground to rampage through Afghanistan and Pakistan killing grounds?

Was it not Pakistan that threw the first stone at the Taliban?

Why now, is it so wrong for them to hit back for their own survival?

And indeed why is it wrong for them to accept outside help in their sheer desperation – Just as we Bengalis did for our own survival back in 1971?

Why Zardari did not ratify the treaty reached with the Islamists in Swat?

Why was it necessary for Zardari to order the assault on Swat from Washington?

If we can answer any of the questions above with any degree of coherence – then only it would seem fair to say that this 'War on terror' is justified.


As I have mentioned to one of our colleagues here that there was no way open for Musharraf to join this coalition in a war that should never have been a war in the first place. That is if he is a 'Muslim' as also for Zardari to follow him in his footsteps.

Read the Quran – 'The Quran' does deal with clarity on this issue.

You now have Rulers who are not even Muslims – how do you at all claim to be an Islamic Republic?

And let me also tell you clearly and without any doubt that – those who are killed fighting your own brothers in faith who in turn are just fighting for their own survival, that they are not 'Shaheeds' as you term them.

Your concepts are all skewed up – a distraught and confused people you all are. And stop this 'Fitna' that you yourself have started before it devours you.


The 'Quetta Shura' as is reported in McChrystal's document is not even based in Quetta. It is an elusive group that moves around all over Pakistan. So how does the drone attacks now demanded for Quetta, in pursuit of the Taliban and the Shura, end in Quetta?

Of course America is training more drone operators than ever before, because Pakistan is big target area itself.

And don't tell me that drones are only operated out of Bagram and bases inside Afghanistan – even if they were – is the PAF completely 'Drone Blind' unable to detect and intercept such intrusions into its airspace.


This is not all about the Taliban – the Taliban are just the lead -in to larger issues at Play here.
If you cannot figure out by yourselves, let me know. I shall expound to you in greater details, what it is and where all this is leading to.

And heed to what Dr. Israr Ahmed is saying – because he is the 'Voice of Reason' amongst you.
 
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Did I ever mention drone attacks directly or indirectly? I am against drone attacks as any Pakistani. Attacking inside Pakistani territory by a foreign power tantamount to national insult. You wouldn’t hear a murmur against attacks on US installations and personnel from me.

I am deeply hurt when people try to give ethnic or provincial spin to my comments. Majority of the current wave of suicide bombings have been inside Pashtoon belt and the victims were also Pashtoons. Your and Hon Fracker's posts imply that killing innocents offering Friday prayers inside the mosque during Ramadan, as happened in Kyber Agency recently is justified because US drone killed Taliban bigots in Waziristan.

This reinforces my view that blind hate of the US has removed sanity in a large part of Pakistani public

For the first part I believe that people who have been affected by this war have lost their sanity and it could be the case if god forbid you and I lose our family members, just the way President Obama once put it, if you bomb my home I will go with everything I have got to kill you, this followed by brain washing and images of other Pakistani's not caring about their misery lead to them losing their sanity. If US drones could only kill Bigots nobody would support the Taliban however that isn't the case my friend.
 
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Fas and all Pakistanio - What this Buzurg Gentleman Israr Ahmed is saying is the unadulterated TRUTH.

Draw your own conclusions.

The Army action in Swat has been clearly wrong, when you and your Govt has been reneging on your own commitments.

I had advocated a negotiated settlement to any wholesale slaughter. This is a time to think and think hard before taking the next step forward. Quetta and Balochistan are now in the crosshairs - a logical extension in the next phase - the 'AfPak Theatre'.

Thats what I also believe in. And I think we should be careful for what we do and try to understand the US intentions before acting stupidly. I mean negotiation would be best. But on the other hand who ever started this killing TTP shouldnt go and suicide everyone, its there fault too.
 
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